We know about throwing out law, does the law have anything good about it??

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Where is your Scripture for your "unlimited" nonsense?
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You do not understand because your mind has been limited by your make believe limited contract. All I can say is do not attempt to help others by unwittingly placing your limitations (burdens) on others. Obey the decree that went out of Jerusalem. If you cannot understand that then there’s not much more I can do.
 
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Your right your Bible doesent use Yahweh, however the original texts do, and it is a sin to remove Yahweh's Name by His own command.

Yahwey is not a greek term. God has thousands of names, not just one.
 

Hizikyah

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Just because I say things that are not in the bible does not mean they are not true. I find there’s too much copying and pasting of scripture. It’s like people are afraid to express themselves without supporting everything they say with scripture. If the apostles had done the same thing 90% of the bible would be quotes from Old Testament scripture.
Your doctrines are not Scriptual, im glad you know this.

And there is over 700 "OT" quotes in the "NT"
 

Hizikyah

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Mattithyah 19:17, "But He said to him: Why do you question Me about righteousness? There is only One Who is the standard of perfection, and that is Yahweh; so if you would enter into life, keep the Laws of Yahweh."

Revelation 22:14, "Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."
 

zone

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Yahwey is not a greek term. God has thousands of names, not just one.
but danschance, God lost control somehow.
He really intended everything to be in Hebrew.
there was not a deliberate change by Him with the New.
Paul and the others who referred to the LXX were secret Catho...uh...no, that was Latin.
uh...k.
 

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not only am i looking for the epistle on how to keep the sabbath, i'm looking for the instruction on you must speak in hebrew.

Acts 2
5Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven. 6And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language. 7And they were amazed and astonished, saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans? 8And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? 9Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, 11both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.”
 

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not only am i looking for the epistle on how to keep the sabbath, i'm looking for the instruction on you must speak in hebrew.

Acts 2
5Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven. 6And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language. 7And they were amazed and astonished, saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans? 8And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? 9Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, 11both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.”
the Name of the Most High sounds the same in every language...does nobody care about the Fathers words?

Yeremyah 12:14-17, "This is what Yahweh says against all My evil neighbors who touch the inheritance which I have caused My people Israyl to inherit: Behold, I will pluck them up from off their land, and I will pluck up the house of Yahdah from among them. And it will come to pass, after I have plucked them out, that I will return and have compassion on them, and bring them back; everyone to his heritage and everyone to his land. And it will come to pass, if they will diligently learn the ways of My people, to vow by My Name, saying; As surely as Yahweh lives--as they once taught My people to vow by Baal; Lord--then they will be established in the midst of My people. But if they do not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, says Yahweh."
 
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but danschance, God lost control somehow.
He really intended everything to be in Hebrew.
there was not a deliberate change by Him with the New.
Paul and the others who referred to the LXX were secret Catho...uh...no, that was Latin.
uh...k.
But,but,but the Greeks can not say His name in Hebrew,they don't have the sounds to say His name in Hebrew. How did God miss that? (Plus didn't Peter,John and Paul also write His name in GREEK when they wrote their letters to the Greeks?) :confused:
 

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the Name of the Most High sounds the same in every language...does nobody care about the Fathers words?

Yeremyah 12:14-17, "This is what Yahweh says against all My evil neighbors who touch the inheritance which I have caused My people Israyl to inherit: Behold, I will pluck them up from off their land, and I will pluck up the house of Yahdah from among them. And it will come to pass, after I have plucked them out, that I will return and have compassion on them, and bring them back; everyone to his heritage and everyone to his land. And it will come to pass, if they will diligently learn the ways of My people, to vow by My Name, saying; As surely as Yahweh lives--as they once taught My people to vow by Baal; Lord--then they will be established in the midst of My people. But if they do not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, says Yahweh."
Romans 8:15
The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father."

Abba: Abba, father
Original Word: Ἀββᾶ
Part of Speech: Proper Noun, Indeclinable
Transliteration: Abba
Phonetic Spelling: (ab-bah')
Short Definition: Father
Definition: Abba, Father.

5 Abbá – "Father," also used as the term of tender endearment by a beloved child – i.e. in an affectionate, dependent relationship with their father; "daddy," "papa."

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patér: a father
Original Word: πατήρ, πατρός, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: patér
Phonetic Spelling: (pat-ayr')
Short Definition: father, Father, ancestor
Definition: father, (Heavenly) Father, ancestor, elder, senior.

3962 patḗr – father; one who imparts life and is committed to it; a progenitor, bringing into being to pass on the potential for likeness.

3962 /patḗr ("father") is used of our heavenly Father. He imparts life, from physical birth to the gift of eternal life through the second birth (regeneration, being born again). Through ongoing sanctification, the believer more and more resembles their heavenly Father – i.e. each time they receive faith from Him and obey it, which results in their unique glorification.

[3962 /patḗr ("father") refers to a begetter, originator, progenitor – one in "intimate connection and relationship" (Gesenius). Just as in the NT, the OT never speaks of universal fatherhood of God toward men (see. G. B. Steven's concession, The Theology of the New Testament, p 70; see p 68) (TWOT 1, 6).

For more on the Fatherhood of God see: Bruce, F. F., NIDNTT 2. 655-656; Burton, E. de W., The Epistle to the Galatians (Edinburgh: Clark 1921) 384-392; Jeremias, J., The Prayers of Jesus (ET) (London: SCM, 1967) 11-65.]

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Matthew 6:9
"This, then, is how you should pray: "'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name..."

3962. patér
 

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YHWH appears one single time in the greek "NT", "theos" is used which is a general vague term that can apply to any "god"

Yahweh makes it clear hundreds of times for us to call upon His Name and the importance of His Name, Im not saying its a free pass or magic word but that is what He says, if any have a problem with that your quarrel is not with me, it is with Him.
 

zone

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But,but,but the Greeks can not say His name in Hebrew,they don't have the sounds to say His name in Hebrew. How did God miss that? (Plus didn't Peter,John and Paul also write His name in GREEK when they wrote their letters to the Greeks?) :confused:
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i don't know. i think the idea is to live in terror and fear about it.

5 Abbá – "Father," also used as the term of tender endearment by a beloved child – i.e. in an affectionate, dependent relationship with their father; "daddy," "papa."
 

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Romans 8:15
The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father."

Abba: Abba, father
Original Word: Ἀββᾶ
Part of Speech: Proper Noun, Indeclinable
Transliteration: Abba
Phonetic Spelling: (ab-bah')
Short Definition: Father
Definition: Abba, Father.

5 Abbá – "Father," also used as the term of tender endearment by a beloved child – i.e. in an affectionate, dependent relationship with their father; "daddy," "papa."

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patér: a father
Original Word: πατήρ, πατρός, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: patér
Phonetic Spelling: (pat-ayr')
Short Definition: father, Father, ancestor
Definition: father, (Heavenly) Father, ancestor, elder, senior.

3962 patḗr – father; one who imparts life and is committed to it; a progenitor, bringing into being to pass on the potential for likeness.

3962 /patḗr ("father") is used of our heavenly Father. He imparts life, from physical birth to the gift of eternal life through the second birth (regeneration, being born again). Through ongoing sanctification, the believer more and more resembles their heavenly Father – i.e. each time they receive faith from Him and obey it, which results in their unique glorification.

[3962 /patḗr ("father") refers to a begetter, originator, progenitor – one in "intimate connection and relationship" (Gesenius). Just as in the NT, the OT never speaks of universal fatherhood of God toward men (see. G. B. Steven's concession, The Theology of the New Testament, p 70; see p 68) (TWOT 1, 6).

For more on the Fatherhood of God see: Bruce, F. F., NIDNTT 2. 655-656; Burton, E. de W., The Epistle to the Galatians (Edinburgh: Clark 1921) 384-392; Jeremias, J., The Prayers of Jesus (ET) (London: SCM, 1967) 11-65.]

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Matthew 6:9
"This, then, is how you should pray: "'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name..."

3962. patér
For the record I have nothing wrong with calling Yahewh Father, I think it is beautiful.

For balance, Yahshua DID use and teach Yahweh Name:

Yahchanan 17L6, "I have manifested; made openly known, Your Name to the men that You gave Me out of the world..."
 

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Some seem to want to make this a joking matter, it is not, and no Yahweh did not "lose control", He tells us whats going on.

Zephanyah 3:9, "Yes, at that time I will return to the peoples a pure language, so that all of them may call on the Name of Yahweh, and serve Him with one accord"

Isayah 65:16, "And the names of your gods will remain as a trap; test, to My chosen; for Yahweh our Father will slay you, but he will give His servants a Name, that will remain forever."

Yeremyah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds plan and scheme, to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal."

BAAL (DEITY) [Hebrew - baal] . Canaanite storm and fertility god. The name, which means “lord, ” is an epithet of the god Hadad (lit. “thunderer” ). Well-known from the OT, he is now extremely well-attested in the Ugaritic texts, in addition to being mentioned in other ancient texts.
Freedman, David Noel: The Anchor Bible Dictionary. New York : Doubleday, 1996, c1992, S. 1:546
 

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For the record I have nothing wrong with calling Yahewh Father, I think it is beautiful.

For balance, Yahshua DID use and teach Yahweh Name:

Yahchanan 17L6, "I have manifested; made openly known, Your Name to the men that You gave Me out of the world..."
Our Lord's Prayer for His Disciples, John 17:6-19
I have manifested thy name - Εφανερωσα

Matthew:25
At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

πάτερ
pater


κύριε
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So.....

Do not steal is now transferred to you can steal but Messiah wont?

I dont get it?

PS Hebrews is clear in its scope.
So.....

Offer an animal sacrifice for your sin is now transferred to don't offer a sacrifice because Christ did?

I don't get it?

PS Hebrews IS clear in its scope. The covenant has been changed, and with it the law.
 

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Some seem to want to make this a joking matter, it is not, and no Yahweh did not "lose control", He tells us whats going on.

Zephanyah 3:9, "Yes, at that time I will return to the peoples a pure language, so that all of them may call on the Name of Yahweh, and serve Him with one accord"
this is not referring to Hebrew, Hizikyah.
it's referring to purified lips. worshiping the Father in spirit and in truth.
The Lord is not enraged with languages...He intentionally poured out the Good News in all languages.
i don't understand this thinking.

Matthew 16
15He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" 16Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." 17And Jesus said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

Matthew 28
And Yeshua spoke with them and he said to them, “All authority has been given to me in Heaven and in the earth; in the manner in which my Father has sent me, I am sending you.”

now look here:

Matthew 11:27
"All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

i don't know what you're going to do about that.

Abba! Father...that is Who He is:)
 

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Our Lord's Prayer for His Disciples, John 17:6-19
I have manifested thy name - Εφανερωσα

Matthew:25
At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

πάτερ
pater


κύριε
kurie
SO He spoke greek?
 

Hizikyah

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So.....

Offer an animal sacrifice for your sin is now transferred to don't offer a sacrifice because Christ did?

I don't get it?

PS Hebrews IS clear in its scope. The covenant has been changed, and with it the law.
If one accepts the Messiah they are Sacrificing, not an animal but the Messiah, how else would this work...
 

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BAAL (DEITY) [Hebrew - baal] . Canaanite storm and fertility god. The name, which means “lord, ” is an epithet of the god Hadad (lit. “thunderer” ). Well-known from the OT, he is now extremely well-attested in the Ugaritic texts, in addition to being mentioned in other ancient texts.
Freedman, David Noel: The Anchor Bible Dictionary. New York : Doubleday, 1996, c1992, S. 1:546
so are you worshipping BAAL?

for this to work, you have to show a vast conspiracy by Baal worshippers (or someone) to arrange for the NT in greek.
do you have the proof?

where is it? i'm serious....i am interested to see where you got this idea.
if it's true, i'd like to know it.