Well I think it's time to talk about the 'prophetic' and all the internet 'prophets'

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I think most people who have been here for a while know who the false prophets are. On the wider internet though it seems to be a growing problem for sure; they're sprouting up everywhere. It's hard to believe people actually take them seriously but they do. I've heard a lot of them say they don't claim to be a prophet, they just operate in the prophetic. Huh? I guess that gets them off the hook when their "prophecies" fail. Well, we were warned in the last days there would be rampant deception.

Frankly, I raise an eyebrow at the term 'operate in the prophetic'. Define the term. If someone receives a dream from God, does that automatically make them a prophet? I don't see that in scripture. I just watched a video concerning a certain woman I never heard of (but another forum member posted one of her prophecies) and she has made all kinds of prophecies and dated them. So if a person dates when their prophecy will happen and it does not happen, they did not hear from God.

The trend nowdays seems to be 'well sometimes prophets get things wrong or maybe they were immature' and other baloney.

Yes deception is rampant and getting worse so put the deepest roots into Jesus that you can.
 
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All the saints are prophets and prophesying when they warn the world to turn from their wicked ways to God to have salvation and escape the wrath to come.

Well I don't agree with that because the gift of prophecy is very specific. However, I do agree that believers everywhere should witness and be ready to speak of their belief in Christ just as the Bible tells us to.
 
Spiritual gifts. received by people from God, no one else. This be God's gift through risen Son
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Thank you for taking the time to express your thoughts and feelings as you did. I appreciate that you understand the topic.
 
Yet there are people today that do a good copy and seem as got it and do not and yet continue to try and control others, as Father in risen Son for us all does not quit reaching out in his love and mercy for us all through Son in this age of grace still going on for now. The to turn to trust God sincerely, each gets the free choice to decide thank you Father.
Yes, control is often the desire in quite a few people these days. They are not operating under the power of the Holy Spirit, but they do have power that is evil in its intent. Sadly, deception and self deception is not rare.
 
So I thought it would be helpful to talk about what the gift of prophecy acually is and what it is not.

10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, From I Cor.12 where you can find the other gifts and comments by Paul
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(Just a reminder, this thread is not about tongues and also the viewpoint is that the gifts have not ceased, thanks)

The actual meaning of prophecy, translated from the original language (Greek) means to speak forth the purposes of God, to declare His will, to convey the truth of God and similar. It is not the ability to predict the future and that is where so many go off into deception and following false prophets and what have you. If someone believes this gift is all about predicting, then, (and these are my words here and my experience with interactions with the false) they open themselves up to deceiving spirits. The NT even speaks to this: 4 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons I Tim. 4:1

As far as future events go, we do have prophecies in scripture and especially the book of Revelation. This is not a gift to be treated lightly as in people lining up to 'hear' a word from God through some person up front who, IMO, is simply enacting a 'Christian' version of fortune telling.

IMO, that alone should give pause but there is tendency to understand that warning as something 1st person Christian will not experience because, well, God would not let that happen to you. I experienced that myself years back before I understood better how things work from a spiritual perspective (and no one knows everything) I went through alot of spiritual pain before I understood that God makes no exceptions. Ignorance is not protection and each one of us is susceptible if we skip over warnings and tell ourselves that could never happen to 'us.' I had never been taught anything but basic Christianity sans the gifts, win the church I grew up in and that really left me unprepared for deeper things.

Paul states in his letter to Timothy that the Holy Spirit EXPRESSLY warns about the evil spirits teaching...two things here: The word expressly means to give specific emphasis to, and evil spirits teach in such a way as to use scripture falsely appearing to be the Spirit of God and will say such things as: you are special, God is going to use you, you will have a big ministry etc etc. I know this because of counselling with people and seeing these things enacted. Where does that leave a person when they realize they have been deceived? It can leave them bitter against God who is the very One they need to turn to and repent before and ask for deliverance from these spirits. It is usually a process because the shock of understanding you are believing lies is life changing.

We are not Old Testament prophets here. Each believer has the Holy Spirit indwelling them and one of the things He is here for, is to teach us but only the TRUTH. The best defence against the deceiption and lies, is knowing what is true. Renewing our minds through the Bible: 2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will. Romans 12:2

Well That's alot to think about if you believe that prophecy only means to predict the or tell of the future. The OT prophets spoke from the heart of God and I cannot tell you how they received what they did but we know how they expressed what they did. The message always contained the opportunity to repent of the sins committed but the warnings of what would happen if the rebellion against God continued.
 
Frankly, I raise an eyebrow at the term 'operate in the prophetic'. Define the term. If someone receives a dream from God, does that automatically make them a prophet? I don't see that in scripture. I just watched a video concerning a certain woman I never heard of (but another forum member posted one of her prophecies) and she has made all kinds of prophecies and dated them. So if a person dates when their prophecy will happen and it does not happen, they did not hear from God.

The trend nowdays seems to be 'well sometimes prophets get things wrong or maybe they were immature' and other baloney.

Yes deception is rampant and getting worse so put the deepest roots into Jesus that you can.

The deepest roots I see is God over me through risen son given e to simply love and still be aware of. Trust Father when to and when not to say anything. Ecclesiastes and Luke 21:14-15
Thank you pine beach
 
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Thank you for taking the time to express your thoughts and feelings as you did. I appreciate that you understand the topic.
Thank you back as I can only say, I am here still in learning process. seeing God's love remains for all to see and change thier mindsets to stand in trust to God Father and Son for them. Daddy only knowing the best for each and everyone one of us all
Jeremiah 29:11
 
Yes, control is often the desire in quite a few people these days. They are not operating under the power of the Holy Spirit, but they do have power that is evil in its intent. Sadly, deception and self deception is not rare.

It is the fight of first born flesh and the Spirit of Father, Daddy, Papa, with Son that filled the gap for us to decide to learn new from Father and love all, not just a few as I saw me only do in past now. Seeing that can happen again, now made aware of by Father to see though the fake veils and not harm or hate anyone anymore.
Matthew 10:16-20
The hard part is, to remain harmless as a dove, once aware of the evil all around us here in this world for now.
Only Father keeps me out of the way, who I trust to reveal to me and always ready to learn from any and all mistakes that old self makes. Knowing to put past behind me as fast as it entered me, trusting by Father in Risen Son, I remain forgiven, wow is me Isaiah 6:1-7 So I learn and abide by Faith in trust it is done as said by Son, been g un Der Law John 19:30, John 1:29.
Anger, fear and scared leaves scars, that want me to be mad, depressed, and fight back as the first born flesh does. Time to turn to God in our own closets and say to God. God I am angered, I hate, I do not love as you love. I want to, and see whenever I thought I was doing it well. PRIDE took me for a ride and I saw me as a pharisee and Was being, a person better than others as in Luke 18:9-14 Now I see the forgiveness given by Son is final. So I can now do new