What about Gen. 6

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Not just Genesis 1. Jesus said angels are not given in marriage.
Holy angels is the obvious intended application. Fallen angels are capable of demonic possession......and much worse.
Did everyone forget this?

"And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed"
 

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Not just Genesis 1. Jesus said angels are not given in marriage.
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as angels in heaven.

Jesus said that in the resurrection we do not marry but are as angels in heaven. By your logic we also cannot have children because if we are as the angels then the angels are also as us.
 

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Holy angels is the obvious intended application. Fallen angels are capable of demonic possession......and much worse.
Did everyone forget this?

"And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed"
The Pharisees had Satan as their father. Did they have literal seed?
 

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Man was made male and female and in the image of God. They were tasked with being fruitful and filling the earth. Why?

Because had they not sinned, in procreation they would multiply the image of God. As they filled the earth, the glory of God in the image of His people would fill the earth as the waters cover the sea.

Angels have no such mandate and so are not equipped to do so. That's why angels were not given the function of procreation.
 

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Mighty men appear to have had heightened human qualities.
Really? Well then why was it so that these "heightened humans" were specifically marked out for wholesale EXTERMINATION like cockroaches by Chedorlaomer, Edom, Moab, Moses, Joshua, Caleb......and by the command of YHVH at the conquest of Canaan?
And there were remnants even in the days of David, who slew Goliath. Later on his mighty men slew his four brothers.

These INHUMAN HYBRID GIANTS were so alien that marking them out, seeking them out, then killing them was always prescribed.

2Sa 21:15
Moreover the Philistines had yet war again with Israel; and David went down, and his servants with him, and fought against the Philistines: and David waxed faint.
2Sa 21:16
And Ishbibenob, which was of the sons of the giant, the weight of whose spear weighed three hundred shekels of brass in weight, he being girded with a new sword, thought to have slain David.
2Sa 21:17
But Abishai the son of Zeruiah succoured him, and smote the Philistine, and killed him. Then the men of David sware unto him, saying, Thou shalt go no more out with us to battle, that thou quench not the light of Israel.
2Sa 21:18
And it came to pass after this, that there was again a battle with the Philistines at Gob: then Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Saph, which was of the sons of the giant.
2Sa 21:19
And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.
2Sa 21:20
And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.
2Sa 21:21
And when he defied Israel, Jonathan the son of Shimea the brother of David slew him.
2Sa 21:22
These four were born to the giant in Gath, and fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants
 

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You would know since you are the evolutionist not me.....
You brought up seed, not me and the implication was that Satan has seed. I didn't see it as literal seed, that was your insinuation. So I asked, since Jesus says that the Pharisees are of their father the devil, was it literal seed as you implied earlier.

I'm also going to note each time you imply or directly communicate something about me that isn't true.

Falsehood implied...you are the evolutionist...
I'm not. It's an insult meant to undermine my credibility. If you read the posts, I said creatures procreate after their own kind.
 

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and so are not equipped to do so.
The ones who fell were equipped no doubt about it.
And begot inhuman offspring that infested the Levant. It is highly probable that this was part of a larger Satanic plot to run interference so that the children of Israel would be prevented from settling their inheritance.

2Sa 21:20
And there was yet a battle in Gath, where was a man of great stature, that had on every hand six fingers, and on every foot six toes, four and twenty in number; and he also was born to the giant.

Furthermore, there is reason to believe that corrupting Adam's seed WAS ALSO HAPPENING BEFORE THE FLOOD, and may have been the primary reason for the flood. Jewish tradition and lore supports this view, as do extra-canonical writings.

These are loaded passages. First the rebellious incursion by fallen angels. Then God's reaction being final judgement. Then the monstrous offspring are noted. Then increasing wickedness filling the earth because of the influence of this cohabitation, demonic infestation and inhuman giant offspring.

Gen 6:1
And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
Gen 6:2
That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Gen 6:3
And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Gen 6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Gen 6:5
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:6
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Gen 6:7
And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
 

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You brought up seed, not me and the implication was that Satan has seed. I didn't see it as literal seed, that was your insinuation. So I asked, since Jesus says that the Pharisees are of their father the devil, was it literal seed as you implied earlier.

I'm also going to note each time you imply or directly communicate something about me that isn't true.

Falsehood implied...you are the evolutionist...
I'm not. It's an insult meant to undermine my credibility. If you read the posts, I said creatures procreate after their own kind.
I made no declaration per se. I only quoted a passage. You go ahead and run with it champ.
 

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I made no declaration per se. I only quoted a passage. You go ahead and run with it champ.
My apologies. Please...what was your point?
 

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Not just Genesis 1. Jesus said angels are not given in marriage.
Yes, but fornication is another thing...

What do you think of the Giants in Cannan that made the Israelites seem like grasshoppers in their sight? Just wondering...
 

cv5

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You brought up seed, not me and the implication was that Satan has seed. I didn't see it as literal seed, that was your insinuation. So I asked, since Jesus says that the Pharisees are of their father the devil, was it literal seed as you implied earlier.

I'm also going to note each time you imply or directly communicate something about me that isn't true.

Falsehood implied...you are the evolutionist...
I'm not. It's an insult meant to undermine my credibility. If you read the posts, I said creatures procreate after their own kind.
I thought you were a theistic evolutionist who does not believe that:

1) the prophesied Second Coming is imminent.
2) that the prophesied literal redemption of the Nation Israel is going to happen soon.
3) that the prophesied literal tangible earthly Kingdom of Jesus Messiah who will sit on His throne in Jerusalem is certain and inevitable.

Please correct any errors in my post.
 

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Yes, but fornication is another thing...

What do you think of the Giants in Cannan that made the Israelites seem like grasshoppers in their sight? Just wondering...
I don't know for sure. But it can be explained through genetics. There could also have been some genetic mutation or a physical condition that caused it. We also don't know how the effect of sin over time has affected human limits. For example, men once lived to be nearly 1000 years. And it has decreased since to 70-80. Could other things have been affected also?

It isn't that I believe either aren't possible. But what I have outlined seems most reasonable to me. But even those who believe the other way have no biblical evidence that angels can reproduce with humans. It is assumed. But they argue that it is so, not that it could be so.
 

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I thought you were a theistic evolutionist who does not believe that:

1) the prophesied Second Coming is imminent.
2) that the prophesied literal redemption of the Nation Israel is going to happen soon.
3) that the prophesied literal tangible earthly Kingdom of Jesus Messiah who will sit on His throne in Jerusalem is certain and inevitable.

Please correct any errors in my post.
I don't believe either of the first 2 because I don't believe they are imminent, not because they won't occur.

I believe the kingdom of God is already here and growing daily.

I don't believe in evolution.

I have never characterized my beliefs, only you. You do so much the way people do about Calvinists and Armenians. I find such categorizing antithetical to the exchange of ideas because much is assumed, not learned.
 

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I don't know for sure. But it can be explained through genetics. There could also have been some genetic mutation or a physical condition that caused it. We also don't know how the effect of sin over time has affected human limits. For example, men once lived to be nearly 1000 years. And it has decreased since to 70-80. Could other things have been affected also?

It isn't that I believe either aren't possible. But what I have outlined seems most reasonable to me. But even those who believe the other way have no biblical evidence that angels can reproduce with humans. It is assumed. But they argue that it is so, not that it could be so.
I don't know for sure. But it can be explained through genetics. There could also have been some genetic mutation or a physical condition that caused it. We also don't know how the effect of sin over time has affected human limits. For example, men once lived to be nearly 1000 years. And it has decreased since to 70-80. Could other things have been affected also?

It isn't that I believe either aren't possible. But what I have outlined seems most reasonable to me. But even those who believe the other way have no biblical evidence that angels can reproduce with humans. It is assumed. But they argue that it is so, not that it could be so.
How would genetics between 2 humans produce such things, seeing that we have not seen anything like that which was spoken of in the beginning or since the beginning of the land of Israel?
 

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How would genetics between 2 humans produce such things, seeing that we have not seen anything like that which was spoken of in the beginning or since the beginning of the land of Israel?
By modern genetics I understand your hesitation and I'm not sure how much you understand genetics. But there have been and still are very large people. Maybe not 9 feet, but well over 7 feet. And I don't know what traits exist then that aren't in the gene pool today. But consider the ark. Did God need to place on the ark 2 of every breed of dog or just 2 dogs with every possible genetic possibility for dogs? Only 8 people survived the Flood. But we have way more than 8 ethnic groups. But within the gene pool of those 8 people have come every people group.
 

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I don't believe either of the first 2 because I don't believe they are imminent, not because they won't occur.
You are wrong about imminency. In fact Jesus warns us about exactly that. In no uncertain terms.
And according to many of your other posts you do not believe in #3 whatsoever. Another egregious error that makes God out to be a liar.
 

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I do not claim to understand genetics.

I have understood that when Noah found favor, it was because he was a righteous man and was not genetically corrupted like the rest of the people and animals that GOD had created.

I understand that when Noah cursed Cannan, the curse manifested as the Nephilim gene manifesting through Ham's wife.

This is why we find in Genesis that there were giants in the land (Cannan).

I am not educated enough to expound upon it in a concise way, but I have always seen Gen. 6 to be Angels and humans.

As a child I have read those things and understood that the race of the giants came from angels and humans.

Now, as an adult, I have understood that the Gene technology is not of human origin, but of fallen angel technology (study of the craft).

I know that the mark of the beast will have everything to do with what happened at the beginning. The altering of human DNA.

Hopefully, you will at least, take this to the LORD in prayer to see if these things be so.
 
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A statement of fact. Willingly ignored by many, as it is far too galling to the pretentions of the liberals.
What is a statement of fact? Still waiting for a) a cogent response from your end that is underpinned by Scripture.
 

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I know that the mark of the beast will have everything to do with what happened at the beginning. The altering of human DNA.
Absolutely correct....
You MUST watch this video. Showing Satanic end time machinations (including DNA tampering and transhumanism) in unequivocal explicit terms.

And YES, fallen angels of old were no doubt able to impregnate human women. By what means? Technological perhaps? Nobody knows for sure.....but no doubt that it happened, bringing God's judgement before the flood.

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