What are essentials and nonessentials to the Christian faith?

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It depends what is meant by essential and non-essential.

I really don't see how baptism is essential. Important yes, but not essential. You can be saved without being baptised.
Are little babies that die saved? Are they not a perfect illustration of the bare minimum? They have no cognitive ability to understand what baptism means. They don't have the ability to repent. Does a baby repent and or let Jesus into his/her heart? Does a baby say the "sinners" prayer? Does a baby confess? Does a baby have faith? Does a baby go to church? Babies are illiterate. They can't read the bible. Can a baby that basically took a couple of breaths and then went to be with the lord offer or point to a single thing other than his lack of transgressions that might save him? Are babies rapture believers or staunch supporters of a highly specific and comprehensive set of doctrines? Do babies keep the commands? Do babies love (think of pre-term babies)? Are babies born again?...

If you believe that God doesn't send babies to the Lake of Fire then you pretty much have a great illustration of what is essential. God's judgment.

Having said that... non-essential is more fun. Is baptism required for salvation? Yes. Is baptism required for salvation? No. Why? Because Jesus said we have to but if we haven't and God so chooses to work outside of his model and saves us anyway, I don't think anyone will complain. Does it mean that baptism is not there for our salvation? No.

And you can do this with pretty much everything God tells us to do, and there are a lot of people that are catching onto this little logic loop-hole and exploiting the monkeys out of it. It's bananas. They ask themselves, can I find a way that God will save despite what God said was required of me in order to be saved. Hm, yep!

If nothing is essential except for God's judgment then everything is non-essential. However, if you are not a new-born baby then you can pretty much expect that you are required to do the works of faith (yes, I know, I said works of faith. there's no difference between works and faith. they're the same thing. faith IS a work. As is prayer, worship, reading yer bibles, fellowship, going to church, baptism, chrismation, fasting and love. Love is not static, it's an action. Love is not a feeling or emotion, it's an action - a work). Faith IS work. Works ARE faith.

John 6:28-29



28Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?"
29Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."




I'm not accusing anyone in here of finding loop-holes to exploit, but whenever we start boiling things down, feels like we're flirting with disaster. :p

























God bless
 

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Is baptism required for salvation? Yes. Is baptism required for salvation? No.

Sorry you lost me there. And the first paragraph was confusing. I don't know what you were trying to say...and the last paragraph too.
 
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Sorry you lost me there. And the first paragraph was confusing. I don't know what you were trying to say...and the last paragraph too.

Sorry for the confusion.

Baptism is a requirement for salvation. However, baptism doesn't guarantee that salvation. Jesus said that unless we are born of the water (baptism) and spirit, we won't enter the Kingdom. At the same time, just because someone didn't get baptized, it doesn't mean that person won't be saved in the end. God can work outside the models that He builds. So it's a yes and no answer. Is baptism required for salvation? Jesus said yes. Is baptism required for salvation? Jesus said no (to the thief on the cross.)

Jesus saves and baptism is there as a working agent for our salvation.


The last paragraph is just saying that if you boil Christianity down to its absolute essentials, all you are left with is God's judgment. I used babies that go to be with the Lord as a perfect illustration. Babies don't meet any of the requirements that are present in Christianity. So the non-essential stuff is basically everything except for God's judgment. Using that logic, you can pretty much reduce the fullness of God's Church to a bunch of symbols, morals, ethics, meaningless rituals, vain repetitions, logic puzzles, social clubs, disembodied cautionary tales...
 
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Put God first. Be good to everyone. Feed the poor. Pray, worship. Put satan under your feet. God bless you, Love
 
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SwordOfFire

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#45
Must be news to Palagian, Charles and John Wesley and the many other church fathers that taught these different views.

See, this is my whole point. There are many great men of faith on both sides of these, in my opinion "non-essentials". What I believe all can agree on, without much debate are these seven:

#1 you must believe God exist.
#2 you must Believe Jesus is the Son of God.
#3 you must believe Jesus died for your sins.
#4 you must believe God raised Him from the dead.
#5 you must confess Christ as your Savior
#6 you must bear fruit worthy of repentance

Where the Holy Spirit leads you to fellowship, be discipled and minister at, after these issues are received and believed is in the hands of our Great and Mighty God.

1 John 2:27
As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.
I have to agree here. However, I would add that there is a danger when a people or denomination begin to define God and Jesus in a way that is contrary to the doctrinal stance the Church has taken over the centuries. I am not sure if I would say that a belief in the Trinity is essential to salvation, but there is a huge danger that other doctrines are preaching another Jesus. I suppose that a person's salvation is a matter of whether they have actually been born again. The problem I see with denominations that deny the Trinity and define Jesus in another way, is that their entire gospel becomes skewed. It becomes a gospel of works, and not grace. Apostolics are good example of this. They do not believe in salvation by grace. You must be water baptized and speak in tongues to be saved. No matter how you dress that up, it isn't salvation by grace, which IS an essential of the Christian faith. Could we not also say that a correct portrayal of Christ and the gospel is essential? Paul said that if anyone preach any other Jesus or any other gospel he is to be accursed.
 
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His_will_i_am

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Forgive me for this very simple answer, but I would have to say that truth is essential, period. We will never have all knowledge, but we are required to worship (serve) Him in spirit and in truth.
 
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Slepsog4

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#47
First and foremost.... belief in God (Heb. 11:6)

2nd .... belief in Jesus (John 8:24)

3rd .... must repent of sin (Luke 13:3, 5)

4th .... must obey the gospel (2 Th. 1:7-9; 2 Pt. 4:17-18)
 
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1st essential is TRUTH
THE LORD IS THE TRUTH, THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD, & THE SON OF MAN. THIS IS THE FOUNDATION UPON WHICH FAITH MUST BE BUILT.
Other essentials are Love, Charity, compassion, Unity, Honer, Respect... etc! It is by these essentials that we must lift up His name in praise as we lift those who do the same.
 
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doubleedge

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IF U DON'T DO THE WILL OF GOD... U DON'T LOVE GOD!!!! IF U DON'T EVEN KNOW THE WILL OF GOD... U DON'T LOVE HIM!!! IF U DON'T LOVE THE SON OF MAN... U DON'T LOVE GOD!!! I COULD GO ON LIKE THIS ALL DAY!!! IF U KNOW & DON'T FOLLOW THE COMMANDMENTS... U DON'T DO GOD'S WILL & THUS DON'T LOVE HIM!!! IF U LOVE GOD & NOT UR NEIGHBORS... U DON'T LOVE GOD!!! IF U LOVE RICHES... U DON'T LOVE GOD!!! IF U SERVE TWO MASTERS... U DON'T LOVE GOD!!!
i think i made my point
 
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mcap

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#50
Essentials:
believe that Jesus is the one and ONLY way to God
believe Jesus was raised from the dead
believe that Christ is your saviour
believe God exists
 
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doubleedge

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Repentance is far more than an essential. It is the ground upon which U lay Ur foundation!!!
 
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yes repentance is foundational. But repentance is very much misunderstood.
 

Sharp

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Essentials:
believe that Jesus is the one and ONLY way to God
believe Jesus was raised from the dead
believe that Christ is your saviour
believe God exists

I like this one the best.
 
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