What are his commandments?

SabbathBlessing · Oct 20, 2024

What are the Greatest Commandments?

Which set of law is Paul only quoting from to summarize the greatest commandment to love thy neighbor?

The Ten Commandments...

Romans 13:8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” [b]“You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

The summary does not delete the details. Love to our fellow man is summarized in the last 6 commandments, love to God is summarized in the first 4 commandments which makes the greatest commandments to love God and love they neighbor

Jesus said:
Matthew 22:37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

So the whole bible hangs on the principles of the Ten Commandments- love to God, love to our fellow man. Love never went undefined

1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome

Webers.Home · Oct 20, 2024

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364» Heb 12:5-6 . . My son, do not make light of the Lord's discipline, and
do not lose heart when he rebukes you, because the Lord disciplines those
he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son.

Christians have to expect that God is going to find fault with their lives from
time to time, and take appropriate steps to correct it. So be very cautious
about cursing your luck because it just might be the hand of God at work
rather than one of the Fates.
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GWH · Oct 20, 2024

Webers.Home said:

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361» Heb 10:35-36 . .Therefore, do not throw away your confidence, which
has a great reward. For you have need of perseverance, so that when you
have done the will of God, you may receive what was promised.

The kind of perseverance the author is talking about is not the dogged
determination of US Navy SEALS; which are a group of military guys who
absolutely refuse to be beaten at anything you might name. If SEALS were
to play hop-scotch it would turn violent.

I would liken the kind of perseverance in mind here as that of a farmer. The
hard rock band ACDC says it's a long ways to the top if you wanna rock and
roll. Well, farmers have a long ways to harvest if they wanna make it to
market. First they have to till the soil, then rake it, then plant seeds, then
wait on mother nature to irrigate them with rain, then they have to wait
more yet for their crops to grow to maturity before harvesting.

Farmers look forward to their harvests; they anticipate them otherwise who
would plow, rake, and plant if there were nothing to expect later on down
the road?

That kind of perseverance anticipates a benefit. Webster's defines anticipate
as: to look forward to as certain; viz: to expect. As a rule, farmers don't
begin the planting season expecting their fields to produce nothing. No, they
plan on going to market because they expect to see crops in the fields at
harvest time. It would be a very strange farmer indeed who looked forward
to the ravages of drought, disease, and insect plagues every year. In other
words; don't give up on God just yet; He'll come thru on His promises.
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Yes, the benefit cited by Jesus in Matthew 10:22, He who perseveres to the end will be saved.

Webers.Home · Oct 20, 2024

GWH said:

* It's my understanding that Matt 10:22 is talking about something entirely
different than what Heb 10:35-36 is talking about.

Anyway, I was thinking it might be interesting to know how Catholicism
feels about perseverance.

"If anyone says that he will for certain, with an absolute and infallible
certainty, have that great gift of perseverance even to the end, unless he
shall have learned this by a special revelation, let him be anathema."
(Council of Trent Session 6, Chapter 16, Canon 16)

NOTE: I assume the Canon is talking about a source other than the Bible
when it speaks of "special revelation."
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GWH · Oct 20, 2024

Webers.Home said:

* It's my understanding that Matt 10:22 is talking about something entirely
different than what Heb 10:35-36 is talking about.

Anyway, I was thinking it might be interesting to know how Catholicism
feels about perseverance.

"If anyone says that he will for certain, with an absolute and infallible
certainty, have that great gift of perseverance even to the end, unless he
shall have learned this by a special revelation, let him be anathema."
(Council of Trent Session 6, Chapter 16, Canon 16)

NOTE: I assume the Canon is talking about a source other than the Bible
when it speaks of "special revelation."
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Re your understanding a difference, it is merely that we endure to the end by means of persevering in the present.

Webers.Home · Oct 20, 2024

GWH said:

I would tell you my thoughts about the difference but that's getting into a
complex discussion that I much prefer to reserve for folks attuned to my
wave length; so to speak.
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GWH · Oct 20, 2024

Webers.Home said:

Well I don’t understand what wavelength you refer to but I wish you happy trails until we meet again.

GRACE_ambassador · Oct 20, 2024

Op: What are His Commandments?
Depends which 'dispensation' ( Grace or Law ) one resides in, eh?:

I have decided to follow Jesus?

Amen.

SabbathBlessing · Oct 20, 2024

Jesus said If you love Me, keep My commandments John 14:15, which ones for eternal life- He quoted directly from the Ten and from the greatest commandments Mat 19:17-19 If we follow Jesus we should not just hear what He says, but actually do them. James 1:22 He died to pay the penalty of sin when we repent and confess 1 John 1:9 which means a change of direction but if we are loyal to Him we would abide in Him and follow His example for us on how to live 1 John 2:5-6 1 Peter 2:21-22 and embrace His teachings and warnings Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 5:18-30 Mat 7:21-23 through love and faith 1 John 5:3 Rom 3:31 Rev 14:12

Webers.Home · Oct 21, 2024

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365» Heb 12:7-11 . . If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with
sons; for what son is there whom a father does not discipline? But if you are
without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are
illegitimate and not sons.

. . . Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we
paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the
Father of spirits and live? For they indeed for a few days chastened us as
seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His
holiness.

. . . Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful;
nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to
those who have been trained by it.

Child training is quite a bit different than child abuse; training builds
character, while abuse breaks the spirit.

NOTE: Seeing as how most of us lack a red-phone connection to Heaven's
front desk; there's really no way to know for sure when God is chastening us
or if life in general is just being its usual unpleasant self. That being the case
I suggest we reckon all unpleasantness to be providential in one way or
another; and follow job's example.

● Job 1:22 . . In all this Job did not sin, nor charge God with wrong.
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Webers.Home · Oct 22, 2024

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366» Heb 12:12-13 . .Therefore, strengthen the hands that are weak, and
the knees that are feeble, and make straight paths for your feet, so that the
limb which is lame may not be put out of joint, but rather be healed.

That almost sounds like physical therapy; which of course it is. When I had
one of my knees replaced, the therapist had to teach me how to walk all
over again-- how to walk properly because with the bad knee, I couldn't;
and that had gone on for more than a decade. And not only that, but the leg
with the bad knee had become feeble because I favored the other and
wasn't using the bad one to full advantage. So a large percentage of my
therapy involved getting that game leg strong again by means of an exercise
regimen.

The Greek word translated "straight" doesn't necessarily define the shortest
distance between two points. It can also mean smooth and level; in other
words: free of tripping hazards; which someone undergoing treatment for a
joint problem (e.g. hips, knees, and ankles) has to really watch out for. In
other words: it's a therapeutic path-- in this case in respect of one's spiritual
conditioning rather than their physical conditioning.

Compare Heb 5:12-14 where it says, in so many words: that children don't
arrive from the womb intuitively knowing what people eat. It's only by
instruction and experience that they learn which things are safe for human
consumption and which things are not, viz: which things are nourishing, and
which things will make them sick. By gradually introducing them to a variety
of foods, parents train their growing children to recognize good stuff when
they see it so that in time they will know on their own what's edible and
what's not without having to be babied all the time.
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Webers.Home · Oct 23, 2024

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367» Heb 12:14a . . Pursue peace with all men,

The Geek word translated "peace" means not only a lack of strife, but also
the presence of prosperity; which implies always seeking the good of others
rather than only your own.

People of peace are in an advantaged category.

● Matt 5:9 . . Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the
children of God.

That looks ahead to a day when peace will be highly valued, and much to be
preferred over aggression. In that day; truly peaceable folk will be widely,
and commonly, known as children of God-- for now, they aren't: no, for now
they're known by other labels; some neither civil nor courteous.

"For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently
consider his place, and it shall not be. But the meek shall inherit the earth;
and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace. The wicked plotteth
against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth. The Lord shall laugh
at him: for He seeth that His day is coming." (Ps 37:10-1 cf. Ps 2:1-12)
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GWH · Oct 23, 2024

GRACE_ambassador said:

Well sort of. Godly folks have had somewhat varying understandings of God’s will regarding morality as His story has developed, and now we understand the New Testament folks have summed it up in terms of universal love and truth.

Webers.Home · Oct 24, 2024

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368» Heb 12:14b . . Pursue holiness, without which no one will see The
Lord.

The Greek word translated "pursue" is sometimes translated persecute;
which implies persistence, doggedness, and/or stalking, i.e. determination.

The Greek word translated "holiness" basically refers to purity; defined by
Webster's as chastity, innocence, modesty; i.e. goodness, righteousness,
virtue, morality, decency, decorum, and propriety.

The same Greek word is sometimes translated "sanctification" which is
supposed to be a work in progress involving not only the hand of God, but
also one's own hand. (Rom 6:19, 1Thess 4:4, and 1Tim 2:15)

The word "see" is somewhat ambiguous. It can relate to physical eyesight
and it can also relate to mental perception. I'm inclined to believe it's related
to mental perception in this case.

As an allegory: at one time I had cataracts in both eyes. As a result, my
vision was really blurry because the cataracts scattered light, thus
preventing the natural lenses in my eyes from bringing things into sharp
focus. After surgery to replace the natural lenses with artificial lenses, I can
now see sharply; i.e. my vision's clarity was greatly improved and I'm able
to notice details that were virtually invisible before.

In other words; people with no interest in pursuing holiness lack clarity; i.e.
their perception of The Lord is fuzzy at best because there are details in view
that they are unable to make out due to their mind's mental cataracts, so to
speak.

● John 14:21 . . .Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one
who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will
love him and show myself to him.
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GWH · Oct 24, 2024

Webers.Home said:

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368» Heb 12:14b . . Pursue holiness, without which no one will see The
Lord.

The Greek word translated "pursue" is sometimes translated persecute;
which implies persistence, doggedness, and/or stalking, i.e. determination.

The Greek word translated "holiness" basically refers to purity; defined by
Webster's as chastity, innocence, modesty; i.e. goodness, righteousness,
virtue, morality, decency, decorum, and propriety.

The same Greek word is sometimes translated "sanctification" which is
supposed to be a work in progress involving not only the hand of God, but
also one's own hand. (Rom 6:19, 1Thess 4:4, and 1Tim 2:15)

The word "see" is somewhat ambiguous. It can relate to physical eyesight
and it can also relate to mental perception. I'm inclined to believe it's related
to mental perception in this case.

As an allegory: at one time I had cataracts in both eyes. As a result, my
vision was really blurry because the cataracts scattered light, thus
preventing the natural lenses in my eyes from bringing things into sharp
focus. After surgery to replace the natural lenses with artificial lenses, I can
now see sharply; i.e. my vision's clarity was greatly improved and I'm able
to notice details that were virtually invisible before.

In other words; people with no interest in pursuing holiness lack clarity; i.e.
their perception of The Lord is fuzzy at best because there are details in view
that they are unable to make out due to their mind's mental cataracts, so to
speak.

● John 14:21 . . .Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one
who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will
love him and show myself to him.
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That about covers it except for including truth, honesty, etc. that is sorely lacking in corrupt officials these days.

Magenta · Oct 24, 2024

SabbathBlessing said:

Galatians 5:14, Ecclesiastes 12:13, Romans 13:10b The entire law is fulfilled in a single decree: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” When all has been heard, the conclusion of the matter is this: Fear God and keep His commandments, because this is the whole duty of man. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Magenta · Oct 24, 2024

SabbathBlessing said:

Without ever saying to keep the Sabbath, why? Because He is our Sabbath rest.

Jesus is my Sabbath rest.

SabbathBlessing · Oct 24, 2024

Magenta said:

Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, the Creator Mar 2:27 not that He is the Sabbath i.e. day/commandment the creation.

TMS · Oct 25, 2024

We have rest in Jesus

Jesus is the water of life
Joh 4:14 KJV But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

Does that mean we never drink water?

Do not obey the sabbath commandment because we have rest in Jesus?

If the law could be changed or removed, Jesus did not need to die.

Because Jesus did die for our sin, (Sin is the the transgression of the law, ) is proff that the law still stands.

We are free from the law because Jesus paid the price for us.

But should we continue to sin?
Should we make the law void?

You keep them not to earn salvation but because you love Jesus.

TMS · Oct 25, 2024

Magenta said:

If love is the fulfilling of the law...
Is it okay to transgress the law?

Should we keep the because of love?
All of it or just 9/10 th

Would I be loving God if I kept most of the commandments but had graven images and took God's name in vain?

If love is the fulfilling of the law how do you justify transgressing it?

What are his commandments?

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