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What are the Consequences of Falling from Grace?
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eternally-gratefull
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That's like saying I did not work to earn my new bike by delivering papers for my big brother until I had enough to pay for it. It was his job not mine. All I did was do what he was supposed to do. and he gave me the money .
You still earned it.. You make salvation a reward, not a gift.
if your right, and I cant leave my salvation then I have nothing to worry about, I have been born again since 19 years of age.
Mark 3:22-23 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan? (wink wink) I didn't get saved in satan's church.
Mark 3:22-23 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan? (wink wink) I didn't get saved in satan's church.
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eternally-gratefull
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Satan teaches God is not a God of unfathomable, unconditional, Truly righteous love, That he does not secure his children so they can never be lost.
Thats what your teaching..(wink wink)
You have nothing to worry about? I don't know. When I did something against my father, I was quite worried about the chastening I was about to receive. and today quite saddened that I could even do such things.. having dishonored my own father.
Of course, he never kiced me out of his family. even when I wanted out..
no that's not like saying that at all! in fact your analogy makes no since in comparison.
it's like saying "a bird does not fly to BECOME a bird" that's just what birds do
a fish doesn't swim to BECOME a fish. that's just what fish do
real Christians don't smoke, they don't chew, they don't run with those that do.
we are not trying to BECOME a Christian but it's because we are there is certain things we cant do
it's like saying "a bird does not fly to BECOME a bird" that's just what birds do
a fish doesn't swim to BECOME a fish. that's just what fish do
real Christians don't smoke, they don't chew, they don't run with those that do.
we are not trying to BECOME a Christian but it's because we are there is certain things we cant docan you give me "one" bible verse to prove that I am unconditional eternally saved no matter what I do?
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eternally-gratefull
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No, You can't
1. You would never want to in the first place (If you truly had God you would understand why) not to mention even if you tried, God would depart the flock to go after you, and his true sheep know his voice and ALWAYS follow after him) (Yes you are a stupid sheep, even after you are saved)
2. You can not walk away from God, he is omnipresent. Where can you hide? How many people in the OT tried to hide from him only to find out God was right there?
3. God is omniscient, He knews everything, not one thing you will ever do, he did not know before you were born you were going to do it. So why would he give you a GIFT he knows you do not trust?
4. If non of this convinces you, Then John should. "They left, for they were never of us,, for if they were truly of us, they never would have left"
Eternal life is eternal, Not conditional like you are trying to make it. That is satans gospel. not Gods.
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eternally-gratefull
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lets see, Eph 1: 13- 14 (Sealed with spirit until day of redemption)
John 6 (flesh and blood, never hunger thirst, live forever, never die, be raised on last day, has eternal life, will never be lost)
John 3. (Eternal life)
how many do you want?
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eternally-gratefull
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no that's not like saying that at all! in fact your analogy makes no since in comparison.
it's like saying "a bird does not fly to BECOME a bird" that's just what birds do
a fish doesn't swim to BECOME a fish. that's just what fish do
real Christians don't smoke, they don't chew, they don't run with those that do.
Oh your one of them hypocrites. Yeah, I used to be like you. I got sick of my own filth and found Gods truth.
Your sin does not stink, while their sin does.. Repent, before its too late
notice the scripture: 2 John 1:8-9 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
notice the word abideth is a "present tense verb" it did not say "he that abided in the doctrine of Christ"
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
notice the word abideth is a "present tense verb" it did not say "he that abided in the doctrine of Christ"
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FreeNChrist
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My personal favorite from the amp version....
Hebrews 13:5
“...for He God Himself has said, I will not in any way fail you, nor give you up, nor leave you without support. [I will not, I will not, I will not in any degree leave you helpless, nor forsake nor let you down (relax My hold on you)! Assuredly not!"
Hebrews 13:5
“...for He God Himself has said, I will not in any way fail you, nor give you up, nor leave you without support. [I will not, I will not, I will not in any degree leave you helpless, nor forsake nor let you down (relax My hold on you)! Assuredly not!"
2 John 1:7-10 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Watch yourselves, that you do not lose what we have accomplished, but that you may receive a full reward.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting;
The gnostic teaching that says Jesus did not come in the flesh is not abiding in the teaching of Christ..these are unbelievers in Christ..these people are not "in Christ" now..don't receive them...
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Watch yourselves, that you do not lose what we have accomplished, but that you may receive a full reward.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting;
The gnostic teaching that says Jesus did not come in the flesh is not abiding in the teaching of Christ..these are unbelievers in Christ..these people are not "in Christ" now..don't receive them...
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eternally-gratefull
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so I interpret this to contradict the verses I posted?
John said he who is born of God can not sin, because he has been born of God. He also said he who sins has never seen God, nor known him. And finally, He says those who are antichrist (Against God, or those who do not abide in God) Have never been a part of the church. ever.
so who do I believe? You or John?
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Look to yourselves, that we[SUP][b][/SUP] do not lose those things we worked for, but that we[SUP][c][/SUP] may receive a full reward.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whoever transgresses[SUP][d][/SUP] and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. [SUP]10 [/SUP]If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; [SUP]11 [/SUP]for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
1 John 2:
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the[SUP][c][/SUP] Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. [SUP]19 [/SUP]They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
Why did you ignore context? Context is of those who are decievers, and antichrists?? Thats what happens when you pull verses out of context. You believe in false truths..
John said he who is born of God can not sin, because he has been born of God. He also said he who sins has never seen God, nor known him. And finally, He says those who are antichrist (Against God, or those who do not abide in God) Have never been a part of the church. ever.
so who do I believe? You or John?
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Look to yourselves, that we[SUP][b][/SUP] do not lose those things we worked for, but that we[SUP][c][/SUP] may receive a full reward.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Whoever transgresses[SUP][d][/SUP] and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. [SUP]10 [/SUP]If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; [SUP]11 [/SUP]for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.
1 John 2:
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the[SUP][c][/SUP] Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. [SUP]19 [/SUP]They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
Why did you ignore context? Context is of those who are decievers, and antichrists?? Thats what happens when you pull verses out of context. You believe in false truths..
you make no since at all. if you explained your doctrine to my first grader he would say "that makes no since"
I guess you heard me say something I didn't say. sin stinks period! mine, yours, your moms, your dad's, your aunt Gertrude's
does not the bible say to come out from among the world and be separate?
Isaiah 59:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
[SUP]2 [/SUP] But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
sin still seperates us!!!
besides sir, what do I have to repent of? if your doctrine is right I am heaven bound with the hammer down. this proves you don't even believe the very doctrine your pushing
I guess you heard me say something I didn't say. sin stinks period! mine, yours, your moms, your dad's, your aunt Gertrude's
does not the bible say to come out from among the world and be separate?
Isaiah 59:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Behold, the LORD'S hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:
[SUP]2 [/SUP] But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
sin still seperates us!!!
besides sir, what do I have to repent of? if your doctrine is right I am heaven bound with the hammer down. this proves you don't even believe the very doctrine your pushing
Jesus said the Judas was LOST. Wait a minute, Jesus must be wrong because Judas was "once saved"
i'm guessing that you guys will tell Jesus that he was wrong and judas was unconditionally saved.
i'm guessing that you guys will tell Jesus that he was wrong and judas was unconditionally saved.
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eternally-gratefull
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1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
I guess you heard me say something I didn't say. sin stinks period! mine, yours, your moms, your dad's, your aunt Gertrude's
Then why are you being like the pharisee praising god your not like the smoker or the drinker, instead of being the tax collector. and getting on your knees praising God for his great mercy.
Yes, I was a pharisee once, I had to be broken to find Gods truth.
It says do not commit her sins, or live like her, but be changed from the inside out. It does not say seperate yourself from her, No one could ever be saved if we did not go into the word. Are you scared? Jesus said the gates of hell will not stop us, You have Gods spirit in you (if you are saved) you should have no fear of the sinner..
apart from he cross. Your right.
With the cross. Your in error.
Faith in yourself and how good you are, and the sins you do not comit, and how righteous you are. and how you will not depart form the faith..
Now who is not making sense? Heaven bound with hammer down. I mean really now. when did I ever say this?
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eternally-gratefull
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Judas was once saved? Said who? Jesus called him a devil from the beginning. He was thief from the beginning, He was an impostor. Now your judging your own gospel. your claiming a man who continued in sin was saved at one time, even though he was deep in sin.
See what happens when you follow doctrines of men?
you asked me to "repent before it's too late"
to late for what? I went to the altar along time ago and was gloriously saved. are you confused sir?
on one hand your telling me that when I got saved I cant leave my salvation, on the other hand your urging me to repent quickly before it's TOO LATE. which is it? that's what I meant by "heaven bound with the hammer down"
to late for what? I went to the altar along time ago and was gloriously saved. are you confused sir?
on one hand your telling me that when I got saved I cant leave my salvation, on the other hand your urging me to repent quickly before it's TOO LATE. which is it? that's what I meant by "heaven bound with the hammer down"
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