What are you thoughts on Annihilation?

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Radius

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Wise move. It's always wise to accept what bible says rather than what this person or that person claims.
It feels weird to move on from previously held beliefs you helf your whole life, but you just gotta go with what the Scripture SAYS. Not what you've been taught (in error).
 

Duckybill

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The eternal judgment of the dead is just that--eternal. Eternal torture, no, but the eternal strike of God's gavel. Just like the judgment of a condemned death row inmate remains after they are long dead (you can view the judgment and death certificate) and remains so for eternaity, so it will be with the annihilated unsaved. They will be no more, but the judgment and their death remains forever the outcome of their unbelief and sin.
Guess you missed this part.

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
 

ewq1938

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No, I believe Jesus is God and Hell is "forever and ever". Are you JW? Simple question.
No, I believe Jesus is God (look at my signature!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) and Hell is "forever and ever"!
 

Radius

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Guess you missed this part.

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
I wrestle with this. This and ONLY this verse causes me to pause on fully commiting to annihilation. I need to study more.
 

Duckybill

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No, I believe Jesus is God (look at my signature!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) and Hell is "forever and ever"!
And Hell will be filled with those who don't believe in Hell, forever and ever.

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
 

Duckybill

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I wrestle with this. This and ONLY this verse causes me to pause on fully commiting to annihilation. I need to study more.
Eternal life and everlasting punishment are the exact same Greek word.
 

ewq1938

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It feels weird to move on from previously held beliefs you helf your whole life, but you just gotta go with what the Scripture SAYS. Not what you've been taught (in error).

I know but it's also empowering. I grew up in a church that taught eternal torture too but I'm luck in that I will give up a belief if there is scripture clearly supporting something else as it is in this case. Loyaty to bible only, loose all loyalties to doctrines and denominational teachings but as you just saw, you will be attacked and told you will go to their version of hell for disagreeing. Nice bunch over on that side! :)
 

ewq1938

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And Hell will be filled with those who don't believe in Hell, forever and ever.

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Don't post partial verses:

Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
 

Duckybill

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I know but it's also empowering. I grew up in a church that taught eternal torture too but I'm luck in that I will give up a belief if there is scripture clearly supporting something else as it is in this case. Loyaty to bible only, loose all loyalties to doctrines and denominational teachings but as you just saw, you will be attacked and told you will go to their version of hell for disagreeing. Nice bunch over on that side! :)
If you're right I will be fine. If you're wrong ...
 

Gardenias

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:mad: I did say it would not let me edit.And your right as a result messi.




Please stop getting mad.
She is only trying to help in her understanding just as you with English not your first language....OK

I do not know your ethnicity but God sees and loves you

I think the reason.it comes out jumbled and disoriented is spell check is assuming you mean certain words when you don't......mine does this to me.

Ramos just SLOW down,look at what you write. I'm finally learning to decipher what you are saying.

You have time to say it OK just address by hitting reply to whom you want to say it to.....OK
Peace
 

Duckybill

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Don't post partial verses:

Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
You want me to quote the entire Bible? I didn't remove any part of the Bible.
 

Laura798

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I think JW's should confess that they are indeed JW's. Unless they are ashamed or trying to deceive.
Duckybill-are you like a bored 14 year old kid down in the basement somewhere? Your comments are so sophomoric.:confused:

How is explaining that Jesus Christ IS NOT Satan have anything to do with being Jehovah's Witness? No one that I am aware of is a Jehovah's Witness on this forum--you must live in the backwoods somewhere--there are many Christians who believe DEATH/DESTRUCTION is the unbeliever's end. Why do they believe that? Because the bible says precisely that!

There's probably at least 50 LITERAL verses to every 1 of your FiGURATIVE ones.


And again--if you don't believe "The wages of sin is DEATH." Then you must believe Christ is or will be in Eternal Conscious Torment if THAT is the penalty for sin and not death.
 

ewq1938

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If you're right I will be fine. If you're wrong ...

As I said, you guys just love to claim other Christians are going to this torture chamber version of Hell. Where in the bible does it say believing in Annihilation means you will go to the eternal torture hell? Chapter and verse please and DO NOT leave out part of a verse. Post the entire verse, in tact as it appears in the bible thank you in advance.
 

Laura798

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:mad: I did say it would not let me edit.And your right as a result messi.
Razor, it isn't about being messy--it is about your ideas. You say Jesus is the Devil and in the same place you are talking about the Lakers--if you re-read the things you write, you often have several ideas mixed together.
 

Ahwatukee

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I believe in eternal torment, as probably most of us do here. But this guy lays out a pretty good argument for annihilation.

Regardless of what points this video makes, there is nowhere in scripture that teaches annihilation, not even hints of it.

The emphasis on the phrase "everlasting fire" is on those who will be in the fire. Otherwise, once you throw the last person in, there would be no need for the fire to continue.

The thinking of All of those who have committed suicide, is that they would cease to exist at the time of death. If annihilation were true, they would be getting what they wanted. No, they have sinned against an Holy and Righteous God and rejected His provision for salvation and will be eternally separated from God, conscious and existing, in the lake of fire. This is what scripture teaches.

Annihilation is just another false teaching and should be recognized as such.

"And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, into which the beast and the false prophet had already been thrown. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

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"Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.
 

Duckybill

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Duckybill-are you like a bored 14 year old kid down in the basement somewhere? Your comments are so sophomoric.:confused:

How is explaining that Jesus Christ IS NOT Satan have anything to do with being Jehovah's Witness? No one that I am aware of is a Jehovah's Witness on this forum--you must live in the backwoods somewhere--there are many Christians who believe DEATH/DESTRUCTION is the unbeliever's end. Why do they believe that? Because the bible says precisely that!

There's probably at least 50 LITERAL verses to every 1 of your FiGURATIVE ones.


And again--if you don't believe "The wages of sin is DEATH." Then you must believe Christ is or will be in Eternal Conscious Torment if THAT is the penalty for sin and not death.
Are you JW?