What are you thoughts on Annihilation?

[cv5]

Here we go folks. Opinions? Looking for rebuttals from the annihilationists.....if that is even possible....

Act 7:59
And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”


Luk 8:55
Then her spirit returned, and she arose immediately. And He commanded that she be given something to eat.


Mat 27:50
And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit.

Zec 12:1
The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

Job 32:8
But there is a spirit in man,
And the breath of the Almighty gives him understanding.

Psa 31:5
Into Your hand I commit my spirit;
You have redeemed me, O LORD God of truth.

Psa 146:4
His spirit departs, he returns to his earth;
In that very day his plans perish.

Ecc 3:21
Who knows the spirit of the sons of men, which goes upward, and the spirit of the animal, which goes down to the earth?

Ecc 12:7
Then the dust will return to the earth as it was,
And the spirit will return to God who gave it.

Isa 38:16
O Lord, by these things men live;
And in all these things is the life of my spirit;
So You will restore me and make me live.

Isa 42:5
Thus says God the LORD,
Who created the heavens and stretched them out,
Who spread forth the earth and that which comes from it,
Who gives breath to the people on it,
And spirit to those who walk on it:

Mat 26:41
“Watch and pray, lest you enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.”

 

[Duckybill]

ALL the verses you have shared are FIGURATIVE. [/QUOTE]
YOU said that, God didn't. "Figurative" and "symbolic" are term unbelievers use to call God a liar.

 

[Duckybill]

For those who believe Eternal Conscious Torment is the punishment for sin, please share at least 5 literal verses from the Old Testament and 5 literal from the new--that is a minuscule number compared to all the ones from the Annihilation/Conditional Torment side--it shouldn't be too hard, if in fact it's true--I'm sure God would want to make that made perfectly clear! Of course it is terrible news for Jesus, since that would mean He would or is, or will be receiving the same fate.

Important: They must be LITERAL, not figurative. Thank you.

The rich man died and was still alive, as was Adam and others in the Bible. Death does NOT mean cease to exist!

"The rich man also died"
"being in torments"
"he cried"
"I am tormented in this flame"
"this place of torment"

Luke 16:22-28 (NKJV)
22 The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.' 25 But Abraham said, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.' 27 Then he said, 'I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.'

 

[Duckybill]

ALL the verses you have shared are FIGURATIVE.

YOU said that, God didn't. "Figurative" and "symbolic" are terms unbelievers use to call God a liar.

 

[cv5]

1Co 2:11
For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.

 

[cv5]

OK boys and girls (who happen to be annihilationists)....

What is your take on 1Samuel 28:14-19.......Saul, Samuel, and medium of Endor?

"Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?"
Then Samuel goes on to ACCURATELY prophesy the fate of Saul

OK boys and girls (who happen to be annihilationists)....

What is your take on 1Samuel 28:14-19.......Saul, Samuel, and medium of Endor?

"Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?"
Then Samuel goes on to ACCURATELY prophesy the fate of Saul

 

[Duckybill]

Oh dear, do I have to post this again?

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Ad Hominem
(Attacking the person): This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument.

Until you accept my challenge that you know you will lose. You said you gave HUNDREDS of Scriptures. Why are you backpeddling now?

 

[iTheophilus]

I feel some of us here keep forgetting that our Father is a consuming fire, as stated in the last verse of Hebrews chapter 12. He will annihilate Satan and turn him into ash for all eternity. Does this imply that he will continue to burn indefinitely? Obviously not.

"You defiled your sanctuaries By the multitude of your iniquities, By the iniquity of your trading; Therefore I brought fire from your midst; It devoured you, And I turned you to ashes upon the earth In the sight of all who saw you. All who knew you among the peoples are astonished at you; You have become a horror, And shall be no more forever." ' "

- Ezekiel 28:18-19 (NKJV)

Satan will cease to exist! His name "Apollyon" means "to perish" in Greek. That is why he is known as the "Son of Perdition!"

Do you understand that Satan has used a few mistranslated texts to construct a nearly widely accepted Christian concept that is so wicked that it even transcends human love? In Jeremiah 32:35, God declares that he has never considered torturing children with fire! Despite this, it is still taught in many Christian churches today.

'And they built the high places of Baal which are in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire to Molech, which I did not command them, nor did it come into My mind that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.'

- Jeremiah 32:35 (NKJV)

 

[Laura798]

To Duckybill,

Oh dear, do I have to post this again?

Ad Hominem
(Attacking the person): This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument.

 

[Duckybill]

I feel some of us here keep forgetting that our Father is a consuming fire, as stated in the last verse of Hebrews chapter 12. He will annihilate Satan and turn him into ash for all eternity. Does this imply that he will continue to burn indefinitely? Obviously not.

It's not nice to remove perfectly clear Scriptures. That's what "Christians" who are heading for Hell do.

Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

"You defiled your sanctuaries By the multitude of your iniquities, By the iniquity of your trading; Therefore I brought fire from your midst; It devoured you, And I turned you to ashes upon the earth In the sight of all who saw you. All who knew you among the peoples are astonished at you; You have become a horror, And shall be no more forever." ' "

- Ezekiel 28:18-19 (NKJV)

Satan will cease to exist! His name "Apollyon" means "to perish" in Greek. That is why he is known as the "Son of Perdition!"

Do you understand that Satan has used a few mistranslated texts to construct a nearly widely accepted Christian concept that is so wicked that it even transcends human love? In Jeremiah 32:35, God declares that he has never considered torturing children with fire! Despite this, it is still taught in many Christian churches today.

'And they built the high places of Baal which are in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire to Molech, which I did not command them, nor did it come into My mind that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.'

- Jeremiah 32:35 (NKJV)

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Theophilus​

Are you Christian? OT NEVER overrules perfectly clear NT!

 

[Duckybill]

To Duckybill,

Oh dear, do I have to post this again?

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Ad Hominem
(Attacking the person): This fallacy occurs when, instead of addressing someone's argument or position, you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of the person who is making the argument.

I don't think you're qualified to rewrite our Bibles or remove verses.

Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[Laura798]

It's not nice to remove perfectly clear Scriptures. That's what "Christians" who are heading for Hell do.

Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Are you Christian? OT NEVER overrules perfectly clear NT!

DB Said: Are you Christian? OT NEVER overrules perfectly clear NT!< What? The Old Testament was all the Christians had of Scriptures in the first century--scripture SUPPORTS scripture in both the old and new!

PS Please See Ad Hominem post

 

[Laura798]

Pilgirm you said:

But what happens after is just our opinions of what it says

I agree with that statement for those on the side of Eternal Conscious Torment. As I said several times before and will say again--the verses used as evidence for Conditional Immortality/Annihilation outnumber ECT'er verses 100 to 1!

No one need have an opinion when God has repeated over and over and over again what the end of the wicked/ unbeliever is

DEATH: To cease to exist. Destruction.

and again if you believe ECT, then that mean you don't actually believe Christ paid the penalty by His death on the cross.

And Gardenias--this is a forum to discuss things--I know for a FACT that you are on here simply to put RED X on my posts.

 

[Duckybill]

< What? The Old Testament was all the Christians had of Scriptures in the first century--scripture SUPPORTS scripture in both the old and new!
See Ad Hominem post

The Bible is a joke to you?

 

[Duckybill]

DB Said: Are you Christian? OT NEVER overrules perfectly clear NT!< What? The Old Testament was all the Christians had of Scriptures in the first century--scripture SUPPORTS scripture in both the old and new!
See Ad Hominem post

You're trying to overrule NT with OT? No surprise!

 

[Laura798]

What would you like to know about the Bible? That the Scriptures of the fear and wrath of God drastically outnumber the love of God? Do you know that God calls those who don't fear Him "fools"?

Proverbs 1:7 (NKJV)
7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, But fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Okay, Duckybill, I take it by your responses that you are UNABLE to find any literal verses in both the Old and New Testament to support your belief in Eternal Conscious Torment.

I am putting you on 'ignore' --I can't believe by your comments you are a Christian--I think you are here just to cause trouble.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Read the context surrounding Genesis 34:30 (where the word "destroyed [H8045]" is used):

"And Jacob said to Simeon and Levi, Ye have troubled me to make me to stink among the inhabitants of the land, among the Canaanites and the Perizzites: and I being few in number, they shall gather themselves together against me, and slay me; and I shall be destroyed H8045 I and my house."



Does Jacob *mean* annihilated in the lake of fire at the GWTj point?? No he does not.


No, he means "from off the face of this earth" where he and they presently existed (at the time).

 

[Duckybill]

Okay, Duckybill, I take it by your responses that you are UNABLE to find any literal verses in both the Old and New Testament to support your belief in Eternal Conscious Torment.

I am putting you on 'ignore' --I can't believe by your comments you are a Christian--I think you are here just to cause trouble.

You are running from my Bible challenge? I STILL challenge you to give Scriptures for the love of God and I will give Scriptures for the fear and wrath of God. You KNOW you will lose!

Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Yep, Jesus is right and you're wrong!

 

[Yahshua]

Of course I know the rest. You should have kept on reading.
John 3:36 (NKJV)
36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

Thank you! Notice the words I colored in red from your quote.

- "shall not see life..."

- "wrath of God abides"

Abide - to place; to remain; to stay; to not depart; to continue to be present (strong's). This means God's wrath is "currently upon" the one who doesn't believe. Hmm....I wonder what this "wrath" could be . Couldn't possibly be what is being described throughout the ENTIRE CHAPTER, that would be too easy. It's gotta be harder, requiring mental gymnastics.


John 3 (doctrinal statements)
3 ... Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

5...Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 ...Ye must be born again.

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Nope! Can't trust it. It's too clear and concise to mean what it actually says. It must be figurative.

 

[Duckybill]

Okay, Duckybill, I take it by your responses that you are UNABLE to find any literal verses in both the Old and New Testament to support your belief in Eternal Conscious Torment.

I am putting you on 'ignore' --I can't believe by your comments you are a Christian--I think you are here just to cause trouble.

You shouldn't have listened to those messengers of Satan leading you to "the EVERLASTING FIRE"!

Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.