What can we learn from the life/story of Job?
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Williams says, "Job presents to us the discovery of the worthlessness of self, which should be the first step in the Christian experience.
"Job does not symbolize an unconverted, but rather a converted man. It was necessary that one of God's children should be chosen for this trial; for the subject of the Book is not the conversion of the sinner, but rather the consecration of the Saint. It is evident that an unconverted man needs to be brought to the end of himself; but that a man who feared God, who was perfect, and who hated evil, should also need this, is not so clear; nevertheless, it is a Scriptural fact."
Williams went on to say, "The effect of the Divine action was that Job abhorred himself (Job 42:5-6). The terminology used by Job shows that he had previously thought well of himself. But the sharp trials through which Job went, and especially the anger which the unjust accusations of his friends stirred up in his heart, revealed to himself unknown depths of moral ugliness; and, finally, his being challenged to measure himself up beside the Lord, made him conscious that in him, that is, in his 'flesh,' there dwelt no good thing."
JSM Bible Commentary Job
"Job does not symbolize an unconverted, but rather a converted man. It was necessary that one of God's children should be chosen for this trial; for the subject of the Book is not the conversion of the sinner, but rather the consecration of the Saint. It is evident that an unconverted man needs to be brought to the end of himself; but that a man who feared God, who was perfect, and who hated evil, should also need this, is not so clear; nevertheless, it is a Scriptural fact."
Williams went on to say, "The effect of the Divine action was that Job abhorred himself (Job 42:5-6). The terminology used by Job shows that he had previously thought well of himself. But the sharp trials through which Job went, and especially the anger which the unjust accusations of his friends stirred up in his heart, revealed to himself unknown depths of moral ugliness; and, finally, his being challenged to measure himself up beside the Lord, made him conscious that in him, that is, in his 'flesh,' there dwelt no good thing."
JSM Bible Commentary Job
Whaaaat, that is nonsense.
satan is a liar, theif, and murderer.
Again, I will ask.
Who had the most peculiar response to the death of iyov (job's) children?
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pottersclay
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I thank God for sharing the story of job. I think that it speaks to all of us in different ways but it covers one side of our life that we never consider.
What if God decided to take away all that you had. Your family, your wealth, your health, your state of mind, all in one day....gone.
Would you.....could you.....bless the Lord?
Knowing that you did not offend in any way, could you bless the Lord?
Alot of saints and aints compare themselves to job when things go wrong which other than Jesus I don't think anyone had gone through this much calamity. In one day.
I pray that there is a job in each and everyone of us........that beyond any human understanding we could remain standing blessing the Lord in any affliction and adversity.
Thank God he restored this man while he was still upon this Earth more than he ever had.
Did God allow this to happen to teach job? Or did God pick job to teach us?
What if God decided to take away all that you had. Your family, your wealth, your health, your state of mind, all in one day....gone.
Would you.....could you.....bless the Lord?
Knowing that you did not offend in any way, could you bless the Lord?
Alot of saints and aints compare themselves to job when things go wrong which other than Jesus I don't think anyone had gone through this much calamity. In one day.
I pray that there is a job in each and everyone of us........that beyond any human understanding we could remain standing blessing the Lord in any affliction and adversity.
Thank God he restored this man while he was still upon this Earth more than he ever had.
Did God allow this to happen to teach job? Or did God pick job to teach us?
You havnt read the scripture have you.
Job 1New King James Version (NKJV)
Job and His Family in Uz
1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was blameless and upright, and one who feared God and shunned evil. 2 And seven sons and three daughters were born to him. 3 Also, his possessions were seven thousand sheep, three thousand camels, five hundred yoke of oxen, five hundred female donkeys, and a very large household, so that this man was the greatest of all the people of the East.
4 And his sons would go and feast in their houses, each on his appointed day, and would send and invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them. 5 So it was, when the days of feasting had run their course, that Job would send and sanctify them, and he would rise early in the morning and offer burnt offerings according to the number of them all. For Job said, “It may be that my sons have sinned and cursed[a] God in their hearts.” Thus Job did regularly.
Now what do we know of satan?
no longer in heaven roams seeking whom he can devour.
right hand of falsness and so on.
So right from the start of reading of what has occured with iyov came from a false report.
13 Now there was a day when his sons and daughters were eating and drinking wine in their oldest brother’s house; 14 and a messenger came to Job and said,
He did not have to. In the ancient East word about Job's calamities would have spread by word of mouth. Job was no ordinary person but a wealthy man who was well-known and well-respected in that region. So when Job's friends came to commiserate with him, they would have been fully aware that their friend had lost everything (including his children). We need to remember that Scripture does NOT always state things EXPLICITLY.
Now when Job's three friends heard of all this evil that was come upon him, they came every one from his own place; Eliphaz the Temanite, and Bildad the Shuhite, and Zophar the Naamathite: for they had made an appointment together to come to mourn with him and to comfort him... (Job 2:11-13)
We still need to hear from joanmarie about how Job and his friends said untrue things about God. Either that or a full retraction of that statement is in order. And since you have decided to pitch in, present your case or agree that there was no such thing.
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I already responded.
The eight messengers lied.
And there is no need to ask anyone to provide a retraction.
Supposing iyov is a king of the east there is a prophet that speaks of him and the Glory of the Lord entering the east gate.
If anyone were to study from another king they may come to learn of casting bread upon the waters, giving a portion to 7 and 8.
To which is also spoken of by another prophet.
Should I continue?
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Ariel82
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Even Satan quoted scripture when he tempted Jesus. Is it any wonder his ministers do the same...job 3 friends spoke for Satan.....one even saudchechad a vision of Satan in a dream that caused him to speak first.
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Ariel82
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People can twist scriptures into weapons to cut down someonevinstead of build up and remind folks of God's love.
What I want to know is people thoughts on ELIHU
I think he spoke as a prophet to Job preparing the way for God's appearance....especially since God did NOT lump him with the three friends.
What I want to know is people thoughts on ELIHU
I think he spoke as a prophet to Job preparing the way for God's appearance....especially since God did NOT lump him with the three friends.
Do you believe the elihu messenger spoke truth to iyov?
8 “For sure you have spoken in my hearing. I have heard all you have said. 9 You said, ‘I am pure and without sin. I am not guilty, and there is no sin in me.
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Ariel82
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there is a difference between being sinless and blameless.
Job was blameless because God's grace washed him of his sins...not because he did not sin.
only Jesus is sinless.
Elihu reminded Job that if God was JUST only, he would be condemned with the rest of humanity, but GOD is also MERCIFUL.
we should thank God for His blessing, not whine and ask we are not given MORE but appreciate what we have ALREADY been given.
people are greedy.
greedy for money, everyone understands.
but people are greedy for power, attention, time of others, love, control, understanding of how the world works, respect, etc.
Jesus told His disciples a parable when they asked how they could increase their faith that basically said: when you have done everything you should, perfectly; recognize you are nothing but an unprofitable servant.
Elihu told Job the same thing: he was but an unprofitable servant. its not works that saves anyone but God's grace and mercy for not giving us what we truly deserve but His holy spirit to guide us and teach us and intercede for us.
i used to post scriptures but i encourage all to be Bereans and find out God's truth for yourself.
For someone who lived before Abraham, Moses, and the commandments, Job sure did have a lot of faith in justice and mercy, and therefore in the Lord.
Thankfully I don't have to prove anything to anyone here who enjoys arguing Nehemiah. We all can present the truth as it's been shown and discuss it here. Any one who wants to., can investigate. Those who are not interested., can just go on their way because I'm not going to argue or try to prove my points. Not coming here on CC for that.
Job and his kids and friends all had a lot to say and it was all recorded and saved by the Holy Spirit for a reason. It is up to us to allow the Holy Spirit to discern the meaning. Is God sending calamities and horrible confusions your way? Is God sending misery our way? Is God the author of cancer, palsy, leprosy, arthritis, dementia, the ravages of old age? Is it God sending all this horror our way?
And on top of all that., is "God" then taking the misery He is sending so to dangle us over the flame watching us squirm so He can see if we will love Him? And that is called teaching us lessons through our agony?
My answer to all the above is a resounding NO. Jesus came and paid IN FULL completely for God's pure justice for the world because God SO loved the world. The ugliness of this world with all it's evil is caused by sin and it's devastating consequences. Jesus came to save us from sin and wrath. Jesus came down to earth and paid for our redemption. It's called "GOOD NEWS" The horrible scenario I posted above this paragraph is NOT the GOOD NEWS.
The GOOD NEWS - GOSPEL is that God so LOVED THE WORLD that He gave is Son Jesus that whoever believes on Him will NOT perish but have ever lasting life. Jesus came to save sinners and pay their way.
While we were still sinners Christ died for us and paid for all our sins. In Jesus will have life and then THAT more abundantly. We have the Holy Spirit., we have a calling to live by faith and not by sight. Those who do not have Jesus? They are condemned already without Him., and the payment will not go through for them after they leave this earth because they were not born again by the Spirit. So today if you hear His voice...harden not your heart.
Job and his kids and friends all had a lot to say and it was all recorded and saved by the Holy Spirit for a reason. It is up to us to allow the Holy Spirit to discern the meaning. Is God sending calamities and horrible confusions your way? Is God sending misery our way? Is God the author of cancer, palsy, leprosy, arthritis, dementia, the ravages of old age? Is it God sending all this horror our way?
And on top of all that., is "God" then taking the misery He is sending so to dangle us over the flame watching us squirm so He can see if we will love Him? And that is called teaching us lessons through our agony?
My answer to all the above is a resounding NO. Jesus came and paid IN FULL completely for God's pure justice for the world because God SO loved the world. The ugliness of this world with all it's evil is caused by sin and it's devastating consequences. Jesus came to save us from sin and wrath. Jesus came down to earth and paid for our redemption. It's called "GOOD NEWS" The horrible scenario I posted above this paragraph is NOT the GOOD NEWS.
The GOOD NEWS - GOSPEL is that God so LOVED THE WORLD that He gave is Son Jesus that whoever believes on Him will NOT perish but have ever lasting life. Jesus came to save sinners and pay their way.
While we were still sinners Christ died for us and paid for all our sins. In Jesus will have life and then THAT more abundantly. We have the Holy Spirit., we have a calling to live by faith and not by sight. Those who do not have Jesus? They are condemned already without Him., and the payment will not go through for them after they leave this earth because they were not born again by the Spirit. So today if you hear His voice...harden not your heart.
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The thread is for anyone to present their thoughts, scripture about this book of Job.
I personally don't like to argue over God's Word. What I like to do is to present my interpretation and, yes, my opinion sometimes. As well, it helps me to grow whenever I see exchanges among believers about God's Word.
As I said in the beginning, I was very disappointed in Job's friends' responses to him at this most difficult time. Were they actually there to support Job or just to accuse him?
I personally don't like to argue over God's Word. What I like to do is to present my interpretation and, yes, my opinion sometimes. As well, it helps me to grow whenever I see exchanges among believers about God's Word.
As I said in the beginning, I was very disappointed in Job's friends' responses to him at this most difficult time. Were they actually there to support Job or just to accuse him?
Having gone through some tough personal challenges, I do believe God sometimes "allows" trials to test our faith in Him. After all, if we remain in our faith to Him during those times, we actually grow stronger in trust and faith.
Job was allowed by God to be tested. Job was already a faithful soul to God.
Job was allowed by God to be tested. Job was already a faithful soul to God.
Oh,
I didn't hear a resounding yes or no.
satan and his kind will have their reward for calling The Almighty a liar and attributing evil to Our Good Father of Lights.
I imagine all the familiar spirits are very desperately clinging to what little that have left.
