What dates do you assign to the 70 weeks of Daniel?

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In his book "The Coming Prince", Sir Robert Anderson said 445 BC (Nehemiah's return) - 397 BC is the 7 sevens; 397 BC to AD 32 is the 62 sevens, and the last seven is in the future.

Philip Mauro said 457 BC (Cyrus' decree, which should be 539 BC) - 408 BC is the 7 sevens; 408 BC to AD 26 is the 62 sevens, and the last seven begins at Christ's baptims in AD 26. Jesus' death would be in the middle of the 70th seven in AD 30. I know there are other people who also start counting at 457 BC but acknowledge that the decree in 457 BC was for Ezra to return to Jerusalem.

I would suggest that the 70 weeks should start with Cyrus' decree in 539 BC, because Isaiah 44:28 says Cyrus will decree the rebuilding of Jerusalem (see also Daniel 9:25). The problem is that there are more than 490 years between 539 BC and Jesus Christ. But suppose there are actually two decrees, the first decree for the 7 sevens (539 BC - 490 BC) when Zerubbabel rebuilt the street/broad place where Ezra later gathered (Ezra 10:9) and a second decree for Nehemiah to rebuild the wall (Nehemiah 2:5-6) to start the 62 sevens (444 BC - 10 BC).

Messiah the Prince comes after the 62 sevens (Dan. 9:25). If Jesus was born in 6 BC, then are we off by 4 years? I know Sir Robert Anderson tried to calculate the coming of the Messiah to the very day, but the precision may only need to be one seven i.e. 7 years. So Jesus would be born in the 63rd seven, after the 62 sevens, so to speak. After the 62 sevens, Messiah will also be cut off, and the city and the sanctuary will be destroyed, which happened in AD 30 and AD 70.

Assuming that the 70th seven is future. The end is Jesus' Second Coming and the 7th trumpet. But how do the beginning and middle of the 70th seven line up with the Book of Revelation?

After the 6th trumpet, we see 4 angels are released to destroy (Rev. 9:14-15), which shows that the restraint on evil is lifted, as in 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7. In contrast, during the 5th trumpet, the locusts had all kinds of restrictions (can't hurt grass, trees, people who are sealed, cannot kill anyone). The mighty angel (Rev. 10:5-7) stands on land and sea and says there will be no more delay. If the angel is standing at the boundary between the land and the sea, then when he gets out of the way, the beast from the sea can join together with the beast from the land, and 42 months of the Great Tribulation will follow (Rev. 13:5). These 42 months are also mentioned between the 6th and 7th trumpets as the time when Jerusalem will be trampled (Rev. 11:2). So I think the 6th trumpet and the second woe starts in the middle of the 70th seven.

If the middle and end of the seven years are the second and third woes, the first woe could mark the beginning of the seven years at the 5th trumpet. The star that falls from heaven to earth is Satan, whose fall is also described in Rev. 12:12, where the loud voice says "Woe to the inhabitants of the earth." The other two woes may refer to the rise and fall of Babylon (Rev. 18:10, 16, 19 say "Alas, alas" which is the same Greek word as "woe") at the 6th and 7th trumpets.

What do you think?
 

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Green Onions

You have covered a lot of territory in one post. It is good that you are searching for the keys to the Lord's comings. Few things I agree with but many statements i do not.

I would stick with what is in Daniel 9 and not add things like the trumpets, locusts, beasts, ect IMO
 

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Daniel 9:

25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Remember - it is the commandment associated with rebuilding the city.

The question is - when did the commandment go forth to rebuild Jerusalem?
 

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Herod the Great initiated the rebuilding and expansion of the Second Temple in Jerusalem, a project that began in 20 BCE and took 46 years to complete -----per google

7 weeks
3 years of ministry of Jesus---3 plus 46 = 49

John 2:20

They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple. john 2:20
This conversation took place near Passover when Jesus started his ministry John 2:23

20BC to 29 AD

Our calendar in use today should have started at his death, not his birth
 

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62 weeks ( usage of weeks can refer to anything contain 7 )

During creation God said it was good or very good meaning He was pleased with his creation. Another way of saying this it was a time without sin when he said it. So what represents no sin for seven days?? Only the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

Adam made on the sixth day is the reason the Lord was crucified on the sixth day of the week. When Adam and Eve sinned they covered themselves with leaves but that was not a proper covering for sin, only a blood sacrifice that the Lord provided thru animals. This continued for 4000 years till the Lord was crucified.

Day Adam was made was the original Passover

Lord was exactly on time when He was crucified 4000 years from creation. Malachi 4:2--2 But for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its rays. And you will go out and frolic like well-fed calves.

Sun created on the 4th day represents 4000 years and the calves a resurrection

Back to the 62 weeks

When was Jerusalem returned to Israel??
During the 6 days war
Year---1967
62 weeks in this case means 62 Passover years

1967 plus 62 Passover years equals 2029

This timing is at Rev. 14:14 for the reaping of the earth. 75 days after the antichrist takes his seat in God's Temple
 

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Be aware that Daniel's heptads are reckoned in prophetic time instead of
calendar time. In other words: his years are 360 days in length instead of
the usual +/- 365.

Also be aware that the seventy weeks kick off with Artaxerxes' permission to
rebuild the city of Jerusalem rather than another king's permission to rebuild
the Temple.

If all goes well with your arithmetic, you'll end up with a very close
approximation of the date of Jesus' so-called triumphal entry, a.k.a. Palm
Sunday.

Things To Come
J. Dwight Pentecost

The Coming Prince
Sir Robert Anderson
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Be aware that Daniel's heptads are reckoned in prophetic time instead of
calendar time. In other words: his years are 360 days in length instead of
the usual +/- 365.


Also be aware that the seventy weeks kick off with Artaxerxes' permission to
rebuild the city of Jerusalem rather than another king's permission to rebuild
the Temple.


If all goes well with your arithmetic, you'll end up with a very close
approximation of the date of Jesus' so-called triumphal entry, a.k.a. Palm
Sunday.


Things To Come
J. Dwight Pentecost


The Coming Prince
Sir Robert Anderson
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You are correct saying a year is 360 days by the Hebrew calendar but being a Preterist/Historian you are completely wrong.

Just as Israel became a nation on Passover, the Resurrection was on the Passover weekend.

And Just as the church began on Pentecost so will the next Resurrection
 

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In his book "The Coming Prince", Sir Robert Anderson said 445 BC (Nehemiah's return) - 397 BC is the 7 sevens; 397 BC to AD 32 is the 62 sevens, and the last seven is in the future.

Philip Mauro said 457 BC (Cyrus' decree, which should be 539 BC) - 408 BC is the 7 sevens; 408 BC to AD 26 is the 62 sevens, and the last seven begins at Christ's baptims in AD 26. Jesus' death would be in the middle of the 70th seven in AD 30. I know there are other people who also start counting at 457 BC but acknowledge that the decree in 457 BC was for Ezra to return to Jerusalem.

I would suggest that the 70 weeks should start with Cyrus' decree in 539 BC, because Isaiah 44:28 says Cyrus will decree the rebuilding of Jerusalem (see also Daniel 9:25). The problem is that there are more than 490 years between 539 BC and Jesus Christ. But suppose there are actually two decrees, the first decree for the 7 sevens (539 BC - 490 BC) when Zerubbabel rebuilt the street/broad place where Ezra later gathered (Ezra 10:9) and a second decree for Nehemiah to rebuild the wall (Nehemiah 2:5-6) to start the 62 sevens (444 BC - 10 BC).

Messiah the Prince comes after the 62 sevens (Dan. 9:25). If Jesus was born in 6 BC, then are we off by 4 years? I know Sir Robert Anderson tried to calculate the coming of the Messiah to the very day, but the precision may only need to be one seven i.e. 7 years. So Jesus would be born in the 63rd seven, after the 62 sevens, so to speak. After the 62 sevens, Messiah will also be cut off, and the city and the sanctuary will be destroyed, which happened in AD 30 and AD 70.

Assuming that the 70th seven is future. The end is Jesus' Second Coming and the 7th trumpet. But how do the beginning and middle of the 70th seven line up with the Book of Revelation?

After the 6th trumpet, we see 4 angels are released to destroy (Rev. 9:14-15), which shows that the restraint on evil is lifted, as in 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7. In contrast, during the 5th trumpet, the locusts had all kinds of restrictions (can't hurt grass, trees, people who are sealed, cannot kill anyone). The mighty angel (Rev. 10:5-7) stands on land and sea and says there will be no more delay. If the angel is standing at the boundary between the land and the sea, then when he gets out of the way, the beast from the sea can join together with the beast from the land, and 42 months of the Great Tribulation will follow (Rev. 13:5). These 42 months are also mentioned between the 6th and 7th trumpets as the time when Jerusalem will be trampled (Rev. 11:2). So I think the 6th trumpet and the second woe starts in the middle of the 70th seven.

If the middle and end of the seven years are the second and third woes, the first woe could mark the beginning of the seven years at the 5th trumpet. The star that falls from heaven to earth is Satan, whose fall is also described in Rev. 12:12, where the loud voice says "Woe to the inhabitants of the earth." The other two woes may refer to the rise and fall of Babylon (Rev. 18:10, 16, 19 say "Alas, alas" which is the same Greek word as "woe") at the 6th and 7th trumpets.

What do you think?

I think this is really a good and informative post and really useful for people studying the subject thanks for sharing !
 

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Dan 12

12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.

8 He replied, “Go your way, Daniel, because the words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end.

Lord has unsealed the understanding of the 1335 days, and this 1335 days into the Tribulation, the rapture/resurrection takes place.

As I mentioned in Post #8 Pentecost is the Day we seek

Some of you know I said the Tribulation will begin in September 2025, 6 months away on the Feast of Trumpets.

Google------ Date Calculator: add or subtract from a date

Put in September 23, 2025 as a start date

Add 1335 days

Will come to Pentecost May 20, 2029 The Blessed Day

Lord is the Date Setter

Note: This is rare that the days will come up to Pentecost since it is a movable date. Pentecost is the only feast not set by time, but counting the 7 sabbaths from Passover.

I recommend trying other dates

Give the Glory to the Lord
 
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Thank you all for sharing your feedback and your own views.
 

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In his book "The Coming Prince", Sir Robert Anderson said 445 BC (Nehemiah's return) - 397 BC is the 7 sevens; 397 BC to AD 32 is the 62 sevens, and the last seven is in the future.

Philip Mauro said 457 BC (Cyrus' decree, which should be 539 BC) - 408 BC is the 7 sevens; 408 BC to AD 26 is the 62 sevens, and the last seven begins at Christ's baptims in AD 26. Jesus' death would be in the middle of the 70th seven in AD 30. I know there are other people who also start counting at 457 BC but acknowledge that the decree in 457 BC was for Ezra to return to Jerusalem.

I would suggest that the 70 weeks should start with Cyrus' decree in 539 BC, because Isaiah 44:28 says Cyrus will decree the rebuilding of Jerusalem (see also Daniel 9:25). The problem is that there are more than 490 years between 539 BC and Jesus Christ. But suppose there are actually two decrees, the first decree for the 7 sevens (539 BC - 490 BC) when Zerubbabel rebuilt the street/broad place where Ezra later gathered (Ezra 10:9) and a second decree for Nehemiah to rebuild the wall (Nehemiah 2:5-6) to start the 62 sevens (444 BC - 10 BC).

Messiah the Prince comes after the 62 sevens (Dan. 9:25). If Jesus was born in 6 BC, then are we off by 4 years? I know Sir Robert Anderson tried to calculate the coming of the Messiah to the very day, but the precision may only need to be one seven i.e. 7 years. So Jesus would be born in the 63rd seven, after the 62 sevens, so to speak. After the 62 sevens, Messiah will also be cut off, and the city and the sanctuary will be destroyed, which happened in AD 30 and AD 70.

Assuming that the 70th seven is future. The end is Jesus' Second Coming and the 7th trumpet. But how do the beginning and middle of the 70th seven line up with the Book of Revelation?

After the 6th trumpet, we see 4 angels are released to destroy (Rev. 9:14-15), which shows that the restraint on evil is lifted, as in 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7. In contrast, during the 5th trumpet, the locusts had all kinds of restrictions (can't hurt grass, trees, people who are sealed, cannot kill anyone). The mighty angel (Rev. 10:5-7) stands on land and sea and says there will be no more delay. If the angel is standing at the boundary between the land and the sea, then when he gets out of the way, the beast from the sea can join together with the beast from the land, and 42 months of the Great Tribulation will follow (Rev. 13:5). These 42 months are also mentioned between the 6th and 7th trumpets as the time when Jerusalem will be trampled (Rev. 11:2). So I think the 6th trumpet and the second woe starts in the middle of the 70th seven.

If the middle and end of the seven years are the second and third woes, the first woe could mark the beginning of the seven years at the 5th trumpet. The star that falls from heaven to earth is Satan, whose fall is also described in Rev. 12:12, where the loud voice says "Woe to the inhabitants of the earth." The other two woes may refer to the rise and fall of Babylon (Rev. 18:10, 16, 19 say "Alas, alas" which is the same Greek word as "woe") at the 6th and 7th trumpets.

What do you think?
Check out ESV Chronological version by Crossway Books. Not sure if you’ll have to buy it or if there is some type of listed time segments on their website, or somewhere online.
 

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So why is the timing of the Lord's coming in the scriptures of the prophet Daniel?? Because of what Jesus/Yeshua said; Only the Father knows. If you believe the Son was Almighty God, then he knew when He was coming! Then what was he teaching??

Yeshua was saying if you want to know, one must look in the age and ministry of the Father-the Old Testament.

Hear O Israel, the Lord our God is One

Father and I are One
 

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So why is the timing of the Lord's coming in the scriptures of the prophet Daniel??
The timing of the Lord's First Coming is in Daniel - the timing of the Lord's Second Coming is not in Daniel.

Because of what Jesus/Yeshua said; Only the Father knows.
It is entirely possible for the Father to know something that the Son does not.

Mark 13:

32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

If you believe the Son was Almighty God, then he knew when He was coming!
Please read the OP of this thread and see if it makes any sense to you:

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...ather-son-and-the-trinity.72792/#post-1173941
 

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I find it mind boggling that so many views of the Lord's coming is in consideration and have become doctrines in many churches, Either none or one is correct. If your theory is wrong these scriptures may apply, so be careful what we are teaching.

Rev 22:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
 

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I find it mind boggling that so many views of the Lord's coming is in consideration and have become doctrines in many churches, Either none or one is correct. If your theory is wrong these scriptures may apply, so be careful what we are teaching.

Rev 22:18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. 19 And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
In a thread about Daniel where only you and the OP even mention Revelation (with regard to the thread topic or the Second Coming of Christ) - where did this come from...??? :unsure:

How does this apply [directly] to "so many views of the Lord's coming" - whereby, the majority of verses/passages having to do with His coming are elsewhere in the Bible.

The Revelation 22 warning is about the book of Revelation and not the entire Bible.

If this was/is intended for the OP - why did you not say it in post #2?

People very often like to pull these verses out to essentially say:

"If you disagree with me, you are in danger of hellfire."

Doing this is in its own way "dangerous" and deserves its own warning.

I am pretty sure the Lord is not happy when people use these words out of context.

What are you really trying to say here? And, to whom are you really trying to say it?

If you disagree with someone on a biblical topic - is it not better to address it in a way that promotes discussing it like Christian brothers/sisters should - instead of making [what may appear to be] a "veiled threat" to try to "shut them up" from putting forth their opinion/understanding/etc.? (Because, that is usually how it comes across when someone suddenly out-of-the-blue pulls these verses out and makes a statement like you did here.)
 

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Assuming that the 70th seven is future.
This is a very unwise thing to do - assuming that the 70th seven is future - yet, a "multitude" of people do it every day...

(And, it throws off their entire eschatology because they wrap all of it around this assumption.)
 
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Dan 12

12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.

8 He replied, “Go your way, Daniel, because the words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end.

Lord has unsealed the understanding of the 1335 days, and this 1335 days into the Tribulation, the rapture/resurrection takes place.

As I mentioned in Post #8 Pentecost is the Day we seek

Some of you know I said the Tribulation will begin in September 2025, 6 months away on the Feast of Trumpets.

Google------ Date Calculator: add or subtract from a date

Put in September 23, 2025 as a start date

Add 1335 days

Will come to Pentecost May 20, 2029 The Blessed Day

Lord is the Date Setter

Note: This is rare that the days will come up to Pentecost since it is a movable date. Pentecost is the only feast not set by time, but counting the 7 sabbaths from Passover.

I recommend trying other dates espaço grande invisível.

Give the Glory to the Lord
Yes great
 

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Dan 12

12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.

8 He replied, “Go your way, Daniel, because the words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end.

Lord has unsealed the understanding of the 1335 days, and this 1335 days into the Tribulation, the rapture/resurrection takes place.

As I mentioned in Post #8 Pentecost is the Day we seek

Some of you know I said the Tribulation will begin in September 2025, 6 months away on the Feast of Trumpets.

Google------ Date Calculator: add or subtract from a date

Put in September 23, 2025 as a start date

Add 1335 days

Will come to Pentecost May 20, 2029 The Blessed Day

Lord is the Date Setter

Note: This is rare that the days will come up to Pentecost since it is a movable date. Pentecost is the only feast not set by time, but counting the 7 sabbaths from Passover.

I recommend trying other dates

Give the Glory to the Lord
you are gonna look like a fool on october 2025 when nothing has happened. again and again. when will you people learn to not setup these dates and make these calculations. they will always be incorrect and they will always be a disappointment and embarrassment to the faith. stop making the rest of us look bad please. the lost world loves to laugh at you for a good reason, just spare the rest of us the shame.

Jesus said no man knows the day or the hour. get it? got it? good. if the angels in heaven dont know, if the son doesnt know, why would you guys know? 2011 may was a failure, 2012 was a failure, the "revelation 12 sign" that was here recently was a failure. these are all failures. stop it