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A telmademe/disciple was to follow so closely behind his rabbi that the dust from the rabbi's sandals covered him.
A student of scriptures that did well in bethgashepher (bet-h gas hep her) and had the entire Torah (5 books of Moses memorized) would graduate to bethmidrash.
Where the student would discuss what the Law meant and memorize the rest of the Tenakh (old testament)
From here the Rabbi would supervise the discussions. There were several orders of rabbi...the highest order of Rabbi was a schmeekah rabbi who had the authority to declare what the Torah meant.
The best of the best students could then go to a Rabbi and ask the Rabbi if he could follow him. The rabbi would then watch the student. Find out about the student's family...see if they were upstanding citizens of the community. (All the apostles never made it to Bethmidrash)
If the Rabbi agreed to a student following him...it was "game on" for the student...now a Telmadeem.
The whole job of the disciple was to act just like the Rabbi. From sneezing at pollen to snoring. If the rabbi broke bread and then gave thanks vs give thanks and then break bread these things were not allowed to be gotten wrong.
In this way the Rabbi would live on in the student and the student would be a lasting legacy for the rabbi. Because the exact same answers the original rabbi would give is what the disciple would give.
After a period of time (usually years) the Rabbi would turn around to the Disciple and say "go make disciples". Meaning that the disciple was now a full blown Rabbi in his own right.
Jesus did this last part a bit differently...because the Disciples were to baptise them NOT into their own name, but Jesus's and the Father and the Holy Spirit.
We see none of any of this today.
A student of scriptures that did well in bethgashepher (bet-h gas hep her) and had the entire Torah (5 books of Moses memorized) would graduate to bethmidrash.
Where the student would discuss what the Law meant and memorize the rest of the Tenakh (old testament)
From here the Rabbi would supervise the discussions. There were several orders of rabbi...the highest order of Rabbi was a schmeekah rabbi who had the authority to declare what the Torah meant.
The best of the best students could then go to a Rabbi and ask the Rabbi if he could follow him. The rabbi would then watch the student. Find out about the student's family...see if they were upstanding citizens of the community. (All the apostles never made it to Bethmidrash)
If the Rabbi agreed to a student following him...it was "game on" for the student...now a Telmadeem.
The whole job of the disciple was to act just like the Rabbi. From sneezing at pollen to snoring. If the rabbi broke bread and then gave thanks vs give thanks and then break bread these things were not allowed to be gotten wrong.
In this way the Rabbi would live on in the student and the student would be a lasting legacy for the rabbi. Because the exact same answers the original rabbi would give is what the disciple would give.
After a period of time (usually years) the Rabbi would turn around to the Disciple and say "go make disciples". Meaning that the disciple was now a full blown Rabbi in his own right.
Jesus did this last part a bit differently...because the Disciples were to baptise them NOT into their own name, but Jesus's and the Father and the Holy Spirit.
We see none of any of this today.
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Also note that Jesus asked the student to follow Him versus the student asking Him.
The lesson here was made simple in the new testament probably because of the large Gentile converts. The lesson being to abide in Christ, to become Christ-like, and to bring others into this same union that will guide them in sanctification.
I definitely see the lessons from the OT traditions.
The lesson here was made simple in the new testament probably because of the large Gentile converts. The lesson being to abide in Christ, to become Christ-like, and to bring others into this same union that will guide them in sanctification.
I definitely see the lessons from the OT traditions.
The "You didn't ask me but I asked you " is a very often twisted verse in the book of John. Calvin's fan club most especially.
The truth is that the Apostles didn't think that they would ever make the cut to be a disciple to begin with. And when Jesus was saying this it was just before he was crucified...the Apostles all knew that Jesus was God at this point. Walking on water, calming storms, raising dead men to life, and etc was more than enough proof.
The truth is that the Apostles didn't think that they would ever make the cut to be a disciple to begin with. And when Jesus was saying this it was just before he was crucified...the Apostles all knew that Jesus was God at this point. Walking on water, calming storms, raising dead men to life, and etc was more than enough proof.
One stated earlier that people make time for what's important. The modern church makes time once a week now instead of the old 3 times a week. Yet Hebrews says we should "not forsake the assembling of ourselves, & all the more as we see the day approaching."
And we wonder why the Falling Away is now running at breakneck speed.
Discipleship is at the core of Jesus' teachings, yet it is mostly ignored.
Ear-tickling is now the norm, along with me-centered teaching/worship.
And we wonder why the Falling Away is now running at breakneck speed.
Discipleship is at the core of Jesus' teachings, yet it is mostly ignored.
Ear-tickling is now the norm, along with me-centered teaching/worship.
I agree.
Meeting regularly as the scripture says is often left to the interpretation of the reader. What is regularly? 1 hour a week? 2 hours a week? 3 days a week? 12 hours for 1 day? 30 seconds a day?
The underground church maybe met a hour a week.
A pastor's wife in a work camp under the Soviet Union had 30 seconds to whisper a verse of encouragement every morning.
The Apostles practically lived with Jesus.
What you think?
I believe it is about quality versus quantity and as the great commission states As you are going make disciples. So it is as you do your daily routine, share the Word and always have it in your heart.
Meeting regularly as the scripture says is often left to the interpretation of the reader. What is regularly? 1 hour a week? 2 hours a week? 3 days a week? 12 hours for 1 day? 30 seconds a day?
The underground church maybe met a hour a week.
A pastor's wife in a work camp under the Soviet Union had 30 seconds to whisper a verse of encouragement every morning.
The Apostles practically lived with Jesus.
What you think?
I believe it is about quality versus quantity and as the great commission states As you are going make disciples. So it is as you do your daily routine, share the Word and always have it in your heart.
well said brother
“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. ..But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”
Hebrews 11:13-14, 16 KJV
“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. ..But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”
Hebrews 11:13-14, 16 KJV
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So outside is a try we all attempt to be what's holy is a backwards approach when Christ and spiritual work that's not heard or seen, The Spirit called ONE FATHER is also inside us like Jesus relied not on his son approach he didn't speech by it, he was only seeing his FATHER who only seen his spiritual childhood that concurred sin by his FATHER not him.
Same with all man who are seeded by spirit at flesh birth by one father, that flesh looks for outside himself that's him who will be Christ and one Spirit FATHER, in him that type of belief is not called dust inheriting nothing.
Same with all man who are seeded by spirit at flesh birth by one father, that flesh looks for outside himself that's him who will be Christ and one Spirit FATHER, in him that type of belief is not called dust inheriting nothing.
Well what I mean is I don't worry about man which means male and female have been seeded by spirit in woman' womb before born, the term one Father which included woman was one for you, me, etc........billions and more where all one but nothing of them or her being the same of each other close some times but like snow its different that each other.
When the term Spiritual ONE FATHER is thought to be the same one is a unnoticed by flesh and blood that came from themselves before birth of Flesh and blood with only seed of Spirit till it fails many times like we all do before death called by dust actually can not fear spirit we all are children by milk tell we look inside are self and can't judge anymore. It is like 99 was left for 1 left us we couldn't wake till we come as spiritual one Father ourselves.
When the term Spiritual ONE FATHER is thought to be the same one is a unnoticed by flesh and blood that came from themselves before birth of Flesh and blood with only seed of Spirit till it fails many times like we all do before death called by dust actually can not fear spirit we all are children by milk tell we look inside are self and can't judge anymore. It is like 99 was left for 1 left us we couldn't wake till we come as spiritual one Father ourselves.
The reason that I thank churches today don't train up disciples is they really don't know how. It takes work, time, devotion, an understanding of Gods word. You have to poor yourself into the flock and if the flock begins to learn how to study they may begin to question the church doctrine, question why am I here, and then they might leave and take there money with them.
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