What Does It Mean That God Desires All People To Be Saved?
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No. Did you read 1: 3 & 4? Observe the "all things that unto life" part of 1:3
These too:
[2Pe 1:3-4 KJV]
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that [pertain] unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
These too:
[2Pe 1:3-4 KJV]
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that [pertain] unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Tha aorist has aspect not tense. The aorist can refer to any of the past, the present, or the future time. The important feature of the aorist is that it describes an action as if presenting us with a photograph taken at some time during which the action was/is/will be happening, or was/is/will be theoretically happening. We cannot deduce anything about the duration of the action being described by the aorist, unless there is some other clue as to duration within the context of the word.
To express the aorist subjuctive of "believe" in a situation where the action is clearly not happening, such as "in order that you may begin believing into the one whom that one sent," is that expressing it in a way that definitely implies the action continues, or is intermittent, or momentary? Maybe "begin to believe" would be better because "to believe" can also apply to any time in that same form.
To express the aorist subjuctive of "believe" in a situation where the action is clearly not happening, such as "in order that you may begin believing into the one whom that one sent," is that expressing it in a way that definitely implies the action continues, or is intermittent, or momentary? Maybe "begin to believe" would be better because "to believe" can also apply to any time in that same form.
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If it is quite a simple matter to make mistakes copying a document word for word , how much more to mistranslate the sense of a document from one language to another. In thos regard "all teachers make many mistakes. That is why we need to keep re-evaluating what we and others are producing in terms of translation. There is no infallible expert when it comes to translation.
"Not wishing that 'any' should perish..." 2 Pet 3:9
Notice the little word "any" (Greek word tis = someone, certain one & in the plural here = "certain ones") which is the "individualizing plural" which speaks of God's desire for men individually (to not perish), and is not a generalization about certain groups or classes of people.
https://www.preceptaustin.org/2_peter_39-10#3:9'
Ezekiel 18:23
23 “Do I have any pleasure in the death of the wicked,” declares the Lord God, “rather than that he should turn from his ways and live?
Ezekiel 18:32
32 “For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies,” declares the Lord God. “Therefore, repent and live.”
Ezekiel 33:11
11 “Say to them, ‘As I live!’ declares the Lord God, ‘I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn back, turn back from your evil ways! Why then will you die, O house of Israel?’
Notice the little word "any" (Greek word tis = someone, certain one & in the plural here = "certain ones") which is the "individualizing plural" which speaks of God's desire for men individually (to not perish), and is not a generalization about certain groups or classes of people.
https://www.preceptaustin.org/2_peter_39-10#3:9'
Ezekiel 18:23
23 “Do I have any pleasure in the death of the wicked,” declares the Lord God, “rather than that he should turn from his ways and live?
Ezekiel 18:32
32 “For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies,” declares the Lord God. “Therefore, repent and live.”
Ezekiel 33:11
11 “Say to them, ‘As I live!’ declares the Lord God, ‘I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn back, turn back from your evil ways! Why then will you die, O house of Israel?’
Verse 10 says that the "world" knew him not. Verse 12 says there is a "world" that believed on his name and verse 13 tells us who that world is, which were born, not of blood, nor the will of the flesh, nor of the will of men, but of God. This is the same "world of believers" that God loves, depicted in John 3:16.
There is a world that receives him not (John 1:10) and the world that he will not pray for (John 17:9),This same world, that received him not, hated him; If ye were of the world, the world would love his own; but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. (John 15:19).
If you are to harmonize the scriptures, you must rightly divide these two different worlds.
There is a world that receives him not (John 1:10) and the world that he will not pray for (John 17:9),This same world, that received him not, hated him; If ye were of the world, the world would love his own; but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. (John 15:19).
If you are to harmonize the scriptures, you must rightly divide these two different worlds.
Except for saying, unless there is some other clue as to duration within the context of the word; I have been trying to say the same thing, but you are wrong about tense.
Tense
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: a distinction of form in a verb to express distinctions of time or duration of the action or state it denotes.
Why are there, at least 2 aorists in Greek then? The present has an aspect which a continuous aspect, while the perfect has a complete aspect.
Tense
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: a distinction of form in a verb to express distinctions of time or duration of the action or state it denotes.
Why are there, at least 2 aorists in Greek then? The present has an aspect which a continuous aspect, while the perfect has a complete aspect.
Due to Adam's sin, we all come into this world as fallen sinners. Our heart is corrupt and we are incapable of pleasing God in anyway. Why? Because our heart is not right! We are at enmity with God! As such, we are unable to please God.
Are we provided a will, free will, to make the decisions that we make? I believe that we are! However, the will is not sovereign above all things. It can only will to do things based on our heart's desire. Therefore, I may look up, look down, turn right, go on vacation, etc.. because my heart desires that I do so. Can I turn to God or please Him in any way? No! Why? Because our heart is not right! We are conceived in sin, children of wrath, incapable of saving good, prone to evil, and without the regenerating grace of the Holy Spirit, are neither able or willing to turn to God.
So the question is, How do I get a new heart? Is it the natural heart's desire to turn to God? NO, and it never will be unless God call us to Him.
Most often the call takes place through hearing or reading God's word. It is not the fault of the gospel, nor of Christ offered therein, nor God, who calls men by the gospel that some refuse to come and be converted. The fault lies in themselves; some of whom reject the Word; others, thought they receive it, it makes no lasting impression on their heart. But some hear and obey. This our Savior teaches in the parable of the sower.
The fact that they hear and respond must be wholly ascribed to God, who, as He has chosen His own from eternity in Christ, so He calls them effectually in time, confers upon them faith and repentance, and rescues them from the power of darkness. The Spirit softens the hardened heart, and infuses new qualities into the will, which, though before was dead. Now we, like a good tree may bring forth the fruits of good actions. However, these good actions play no part in our salvation.
This act was not of ourselves, but a work of God only. No man may boast, it is a gift to God's chosen people.
What happens to those who do not respond to this gift? They are not God's elect. [John 10:27] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. God is under no obligation to confer this grace upon any! No, how can He be indebted to one who has nothing of his own but sin and falsehood?
The manner of this operation cannot be fully comprehended by believers in this life. Nevertheless, they are satisfied to know and experience that by the grace of God they are enabled to believe with the heart and to love their Savior. At this time, We see through the glass dimly.
Are we provided a will, free will, to make the decisions that we make? I believe that we are! However, the will is not sovereign above all things. It can only will to do things based on our heart's desire. Therefore, I may look up, look down, turn right, go on vacation, etc.. because my heart desires that I do so. Can I turn to God or please Him in any way? No! Why? Because our heart is not right! We are conceived in sin, children of wrath, incapable of saving good, prone to evil, and without the regenerating grace of the Holy Spirit, are neither able or willing to turn to God.
So the question is, How do I get a new heart? Is it the natural heart's desire to turn to God? NO, and it never will be unless God call us to Him.
Most often the call takes place through hearing or reading God's word. It is not the fault of the gospel, nor of Christ offered therein, nor God, who calls men by the gospel that some refuse to come and be converted. The fault lies in themselves; some of whom reject the Word; others, thought they receive it, it makes no lasting impression on their heart. But some hear and obey. This our Savior teaches in the parable of the sower.
The fact that they hear and respond must be wholly ascribed to God, who, as He has chosen His own from eternity in Christ, so He calls them effectually in time, confers upon them faith and repentance, and rescues them from the power of darkness. The Spirit softens the hardened heart, and infuses new qualities into the will, which, though before was dead. Now we, like a good tree may bring forth the fruits of good actions. However, these good actions play no part in our salvation.
This act was not of ourselves, but a work of God only. No man may boast, it is a gift to God's chosen people.
What happens to those who do not respond to this gift? They are not God's elect. [John 10:27] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. God is under no obligation to confer this grace upon any! No, how can He be indebted to one who has nothing of his own but sin and falsehood?
The manner of this operation cannot be fully comprehended by believers in this life. Nevertheless, they are satisfied to know and experience that by the grace of God they are enabled to believe with the heart and to love their Savior. At this time, We see through the glass dimly.
All of the scripture references you have given are referencing spiritual Israel that has been redeemed to God by blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation.
Ezk 18:23 The wicked has reference to spiritual Israel and harmonizes with 2 Pet 3:9 who are also spiritual Israel, according to 2 Pet 1:1 who are them that have obtained like precious faith.
Ezk 18:23 The wicked has reference to spiritual Israel and harmonizes with 2 Pet 3:9 who are also spiritual Israel, according to 2 Pet 1:1 who are them that have obtained like precious faith.
How do you then rationalize the group "brethren" and factor it into your comment above?
That's who Peter was speaking to/of. While a group, yet consisting of individuals made part
of that group by God though election and salvation.
Peter was teaching that God will be patient until all of those whom He had so chosen to salvation (the brethren) would become saved, not willing that any of those should spiritually perish.
Did you happen to read 2 Peter 1:1 & 3? In 1:1, was their faith obtained through their actions? No, it was obtained only through/by the faith and righteousness of God and Saviour Jesus Christ - the righteousness which is of the faith of Christ.
[2Pe 1:1, 3 KJV]
1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: ...
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that [pertain] unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
[Phl 3:9 KJV]
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
That's who Peter was speaking to/of. While a group, yet consisting of individuals made part
of that group by God though election and salvation.
Peter was teaching that God will be patient until all of those whom He had so chosen to salvation (the brethren) would become saved, not willing that any of those should spiritually perish.
Did you happen to read 2 Peter 1:1 & 3? In 1:1, was their faith obtained through their actions? No, it was obtained only through/by the faith and righteousness of God and Saviour Jesus Christ - the righteousness which is of the faith of Christ.
[2Pe 1:1, 3 KJV]
1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ: ...
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that [pertain] unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
[Phl 3:9 KJV]
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
Well, since everything in His word is for a small specific group. And "all" or 'Any' don't really mean all encompassing.
What specific,small group is this for?
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—
What specific,small group is this for?
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—
Well, since everything in His word is for a small specific group. And "all" or 'Any' don't really mean all encompassing.
What specific,small group is this for?
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—
What specific,small group is this for?
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—
That's not true. God's Word's word says all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23)
God's Word never says we are all born sinners because of Adam's sin and He is not holding us responsible for Adam's sin .
Ezekiel 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
He's holding us responsible for our sin as we were born in to a dark world that is full of sin and at some point we all fell and starting doing our own sin.
Those that believe all people are born sinners because of Adam's sin, must also believe all are now righteous according to Romans 5:18
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
They use Romans 5:18 to claim we're all born sinners, but they don't read the rest of the verse.
Obviously universalism is not biblical but this verse highlights the fact that God has made is possible for all people to get saved. This doesn't mean all will be saved, but it does mean anybody could get saved.
Everyone.
And you also think that through Christ, everyone will be made alive?
[1Co 15:22 KJV] 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
There is a biblical rule regarding its interpretation - that no verse of prophecy of scripture is of any private
interpretation, meaning that no single verse of scripture should be taken alone, but should
be view and compared against similar verses which relate to the same subject to be able to come to a complete and correct understanding.
And you also think that through Christ, everyone will be made alive?
[1Co 15:22 KJV] 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
There is a biblical rule regarding its interpretation - that no verse of prophecy of scripture is of any private
interpretation, meaning that no single verse of scripture should be taken alone, but should
be view and compared against similar verses which relate to the same subject to be able to come to a complete and correct understanding.
So use the rule.
Since everyone was condemned through Adam--------Everyone has equal privilege, equal opportunity at salvation.
Luke 3:6
And all flesh will see the salvation of God.’”
Acts 2:21
‘And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’
Romans 5:18
So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.
Romans 10:13
for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
1 Timothy 2:4
who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Titus 2:11
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,
Since everyone was condemned through Adam--------Everyone has equal privilege, equal opportunity at salvation.
Luke 3:6
And all flesh will see the salvation of God.’”
Acts 2:21
‘And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’
Romans 5:18
So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.
Romans 10:13
for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
1 Timothy 2:4
who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Titus 2:11
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,
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It is not a question of privilege nor of opportunity. Were it, it would then be dependent upon ourselves to do what is necessary to achieve salvation, and no one would be able to satisfy that requirement. Thankfully, salvation is only as a gift through Christ though undeserved. God, being an exceedingly merciful and gracious God, has chosen to save certain people who He bestows it on based upon His divine prerogative and good pleasure alone. No one deserves it. All, as in an all all, deserve His judgement and punishment, not His mercy. Being God, and the one who brought salvation to fruition, He is under no compulsion whatsoever to justify His choices
to us, as to whom He chose, and as to why He chose them.
We all (everyone) comes into this life dead in sin and remains so until and unless saved. Therefore, it is not within anyone's power
to avail themselves of any "opportunity" as a choice to be made. Christ alone is the Saviour and man is not.
to us, as to whom He chose, and as to why He chose them.
We all (everyone) comes into this life dead in sin and remains so until and unless saved. Therefore, it is not within anyone's power
to avail themselves of any "opportunity" as a choice to be made. Christ alone is the Saviour and man is not.
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