What happens to the evil angels and devil at the end...

[Reddogs]

along with the wicked, as sin is brought to an end and those under its bondage meet Gods judgement? Many try to say that spirits, angels who follow the devil cannot be destroyed, but as we see Gods Word is clear that the enemies of God, even Satan will meet his end and be no more..

Ezekiel 28:11-19

11 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. 13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. 16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. 17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. 18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. 19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

Psalms 37:20 20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.

Psalms 68:1-3

1 Let God arise, let his enemies be scattered: let them also that hate him flee before him.
2 As smoke is driven away, so drive them away: as wax melteth before the fire, so let the wicked perish at the presence of God. 3 But let the righteous be glad; let them rejoice before God: yea, let them exceedingly rejoice.

Psalms 73:27 For, lo, they that are far from thee shall perish: thou hast destroyed all them that go a whoring from thee.

Isaiah 41:11-12

11 Behold, all they that were incensed against thee shall be ashamed and confounded: they shall be as nothing; and they that strive with thee shall perish. 12 Thou shalt seek them, and shalt not find them, even them that contended with thee: they that war against thee shall be as nothing, and as a thing of nought.

Malachi 4:1-3

4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. 2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. 3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

John 3:14-18

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

2 Peter 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

2 Peter 3:9-12

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire

And we see today how Sodom and Gomorrah perished and are no more

 

[homwardbound]

God has been merciful from day one in the fall of Adam the first. Then Son came here to earth to reveal to us all, how to walk in trust to Father. That be what is done for us all by Son to us all. Death had to take place first though, to reconcile all to Father, before any new life could ever be imputed to anyone by God and God now, from Belief, lives in us, at least me and we learn new from anything and everything we do or not do. Amazing grace, Thank You God. I trust you to teach me, how to not take advantage of this gift from you in the risen Son for us all, thank you
I do nothing or say anything, without Father's lead, anyone else willing, if are then you will grow up into maturity Hebrews 5:12-6:20. I am in process still. I learn and see more to learn, I mess up and still by God am able to learn new still by God's amazing grace grace through Son given to us all
Thanksgiving and praise with all sin through Son taken away today, wow, thank you

 

[Blade]

Thanks for Gods word but.. putting these verses together to say? Some of these are not talking about what happens at the end to fallen angels. Many of these are not talking about nor hinting at what happens after death(sleep).

 

[Reddogs]

I think is clear those that perish in perdition versus eternal life are not going to the grave here, this is talking about the final or second death which separates the wicked, the evil angels and Satan from God and existence.

 

[Reddogs]

Here are the related text...
Revelation 2:11
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Revelation 20:6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Revelation 20:14
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[Reddogs]

Thanks for Gods word but.. putting these verses together to say? Some of these are not talking about what happens at the end to fallen angels. Many of these are not talking about nor hinting at what happens after death(sleep).

I think Psalms 73 may be what you were referring to as I looked at the 'destroyed all them', and we see verse 18 "Surely thou didst set them in slippery places: thou castedst them down into destruction." as showing what God will do, but can also be held as just to the grave..

 

[Reddogs]

God has been merciful from day one in the fall of Adam the first. Then Son came here to earth to reveal to us all, how to walk in trust to Father. That be what is done for us all by Son to us all. Death had to take place first though, to reconcile all to Father, before any new life could ever be imputed to anyone by God and God now, from Belief, lives in us, at least me and we learn new from anything and everything we do or not do. Amazing grace, Thank You God. I trust you to teach me, how to not take advantage of this gift from you in the risen Son for us all, thank you
I do nothing or say anything, without Father's lead, anyone else willing, if are then you will grow up into maturity Hebrews 5:12-6:20. I am in process still. I learn and see more to learn, I mess up and still by God am able to learn new still by God's amazing grace grace through Son given to us all
Thanksgiving and praise with all sin through Son taken away today, wow, thank you

Amen my brother, but what does God say the wicked, they will perish at the Second Death not the first appointed for all man. So we have to study what is in God's Word, not traditions of man....

 

[PaulThomson]

along with the wicked, as sin is brought to an end and those under its bondage meet Gods judgement? Many try to say that spirits, angels who follow the devil cannot be destroyed, but as we see Gods Word is clear that the enemies of God, even Satan will meet his end and be no more..

Ezekiel 28:11-19

11 Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, 12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. 13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. 16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. 17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. 18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. 19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

Psalms 37:20 20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.

Psalms 68:1-3

1 Let God arise, let his enemies be scattered: let them also that hate him flee before him.
2 As smoke is driven away, so drive them away: as wax melteth before the fire, so let the wicked perish at the presence of God. 3 But let the righteous be glad; let them rejoice before God: yea, let them exceedingly rejoice.

Psalms 73:27 For, lo, they that are far from thee shall perish: thou hast destroyed all them that go a whoring from thee.

Isaiah 41:11-12

11 Behold, all they that were incensed against thee shall be ashamed and confounded: they shall be as nothing; and they that strive with thee shall perish. 12 Thou shalt seek them, and shalt not find them, even them that contended with thee: they that war against thee shall be as nothing, and as a thing of nought.

Malachi 4:1-3

4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. 2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. 3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

John 3:14-18

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

2 Peter 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

2 Peter 3:9-12

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire

And we see today how Sodom and Gomorrah perished and are no more

Read Ez. 33. Prophecies are not predictive, they are warnings about what will occur IF a person or a people continues on its present trajectory and will not repent, or if they turn from the righteousness they are walking in; or they are encouragements about what will be the reward IF they continue on their faithful trajectory, or turn from their path of iniquity. The scriptures reject sooth-saying, i.e. speaking as though the future is set and can be known in advance and pretending to be able to see what is irrevocably predetermined to happen. People were to be stoned who spoke like that. Prophets spoke with the understanding that their prophesies were contingent on the response of their target audience.

If those who are warned they are headed for disaster for their evil turn from their evil, God changes their recompense from evil to good. This is what happened with Nineveh (Jonah) and Hezekiah (2 Kings 20). There is no reason to limit God’s loving-kindness and mercy to humans only. If satan repents, his prophesied present destiny could change, just as any human sinner’s can.

 

[Reddogs]

Read Ez. 33. Prophecies are not predictive, they are warnings about what will occur IF a person or a people continues on its present trajectory and will not repent, or if they turn from the righteousness they are walking in; or they are encouragements about what will be the reward IF they continue on their faithful trajectory, or turn from their path of iniquity. The scriptures reject sooth-saying, i.e. speaking as though the future is set and can be known in advance and pretending to be able to see what is irrevocably predetermined to happen. People were to be stoned who spoke like that. Prophets spoke with the understanding that their prophesies were contingent on the response of their target audience.

If those who are warned they are headed for disaster for their evil turn from their evil, God changes their recompense from evil to good. This is what happened with Nineveh (Jonah) and Hezekiah (2 Kings 20). There is no reason to limit God’s loving-kindness and mercy to humans only. If satan repents, his prophesied present destiny could change, just as any human sinner’s can.

Prophecies may or may not occur depending on the trajectory course, but Christ was clear when He declared this..

Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

 

[PaulThomson]

Prophecies may or may not occur depending on the trajectory course, but Christ was clear when He declared this..

Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

So, do you insist that this principle of God’s grace and mercy does not apply to this verse?

11Say to them: ‘As surely as I live, declares the Lord GOD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that the wicked should turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! For why should you die, O house of Israel?’

12Therefore, son of man, say to your people: ‘The righteousness of the righteous man will not deliver him in the day of his transgression; neither will the wickedness of the wicked man cause him to stumble on the day he turns from his wickedness. Nor will the righteous man be able to survive by his righteousness on the day he sins.’

13If I tell the righteous man that he will surely live, but he then trusts in his righteousness and commits iniquity, then none of his righteous works will be remembered; he will die because of the iniquity he has committed.

14But if I tell the wicked man, ‘You will surely die,’ and he turns from his sin and does what is just and right— 15if he restores a pledge, makes restitution for what he has stolen, and walks in the statutes of life without practicing iniquity—then he will surely live; he will not die. 16None of the sins he has committed will be held against him. He has done what is just and right; he will surely live.

17Yet your people say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ But it is their way that is not just. 18If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity, he will die for it. 19But if a wicked man turns from his wickedness and does what is just and right, he will live because of this.

20Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ But I will judge each of you according to his ways, O house of Israe

 

[jacko]

i heard that angels even hate or fear each other as they are incapable of love.

 

[Reddogs]

So, do you insist that this principle of God’s grace and mercy does not apply to this verse?

11Say to them: ‘As surely as I live, declares the Lord GOD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that the wicked should turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! For why should you die, O house of Israel?’

12Therefore, son of man, say to your people: ‘The righteousness of the righteous man will not deliver him in the day of his transgression; neither will the wickedness of the wicked man cause him to stumble on the day he turns from his wickedness. Nor will the righteous man be able to survive by his righteousness on the day he sins.’

13If I tell the righteous man that he will surely live, but he then trusts in his righteousness and commits iniquity, then none of his righteous works will be remembered; he will die because of the iniquity he has committed.

14But if I tell the wicked man, ‘You will surely die,’ and he turns from his sin and does what is just and right— 15if he restores a pledge, makes restitution for what he has stolen, and walks in the statutes of life without practicing iniquity—then he will surely live; he will not die. 16None of the sins he has committed will be held against him. He has done what is just and right; he will surely live.

17Yet your people say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ But it is their way that is not just. 18If a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity, he will die for it. 19But if a wicked man turns from his wickedness and does what is just and right, he will live because of this.

20Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ But I will judge each of you according to his ways, O house of Israe

Look what Christ said directly...

Matthew 7:19
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Luke 3:9
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
And more from Gods Word..

2 Peter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Revelation 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Revelation 19:20
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Revelation 20:9-10
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

I think Gods Word shows with clarity what will happen to them at the end..

 

[PaulThomson]

Look what Christ said directly...

Matthew 7:19
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Luke 3:9
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
And more from Gods Word..

2 Peter 2:4
For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
Revelation 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Revelation 19:20
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Revelation 20:9-10
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 20:15
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

I think Gods Word shows with clarity what will happen to them at the end..

So, the principle of “we must interpret texts within the context of what the whole of scripture says” is now out of the window. The scripture that says that when God declares certain disaster on persons for their sins, if they repent, that disaster will not be exacted upon them, does not apply to verses where God declares certain disaster on persons you do not want God to forgive. That’s a very Jonah-like attitude. God was not impressed with Jonah’s attitude.

Jon 3:10
And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
Jon 4:1
But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry
Jon 4:2
And he prayed unto the LORD, and said, I pray thee, O LORD, was not this my saying, when I was yet inmy country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slowto anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil.

Jon 4:10
Then said the LORD, Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night:
Jon 4:11
And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannotdiscern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?

 

[Reddogs]

So, the principle of “we must interpret texts within the context of what the whole of scripture says” is now out of the window. The scripture that says that when God declares certain disaster on persons for their sins, if they repent, that disaster will not be exacted upon them, does not apply to verses where God declares certain disaster on persons you do not want God to forgive. That’s a very Jonah-like attitude. God was not impressed with Jonah’s attitude.

Jon 3:10
And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
Jon 4:1
But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry
Jon 4:2
And he prayed unto the LORD, and said, I pray thee, O LORD, was not this my saying, when I was yet inmy country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slowto anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil.

Jon 4:10
Then said the LORD, Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night:
Jon 4:11
And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannotdiscern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?

But if they don't repent, then what.....its clear.

 

[PaulThomson]

But if they don't repent, then what.....its clear.

If they don’t repent, God follows through on His threats, as He has many times before. But whether they will repent is not yet determined.