What have we become?

[Rainrider]

in the time I have been absent, I have taken to looking at, and study church doctrine. You see their is a need in my life, a hole one may say. When I lost the love of my life, after 35 years, it left me a bit lost in this world. I praied that haShem would stop this ride and let me off. Not a good thing when it comes to doing His work let me tell you.
Anyway, back to the question at hand, and why it has filled my heart with new purpose.
When we read the Word do we find any thing that leads one to believe hate is the way to live? I don't. I find we should LOVE, encourage, and defend one another. Yet when we look at how one church talks of another, and places themselves above all others, do they not show pride in every word that comes from said church? Pride as we all know is a sin.
Some may think back and remember my words, and how I stand up for my self, and the teachings that are found in the Word, and used the same method I have used in, in person classes to restore order. This is not an apology by any sense of the word.
You see when truth is placed before us, it changes how one reacts. It can make a kind person show a form of hate they will brush off, and claim it wasn't hate. Yet when you read a persons words, and you see something like this.
We will run him off just like did the rest that think that way. It is clearly hate that brought those words to print.
Just as we see the hate that comes from what I call the alphabet movement, (due to the many letters that make up their people). We see that same thing aimed at anyone that thinks differently than you do.
Yet we all read the same Words, and have the same teachings in the Word. So hate isn't what we should be holding in our hearts. Rather love, and a need to find the truth. Not my truth, your truth or their truth. You see there is only one truth, and it does come from HaShem, and is given to us in His Word.
We must read it for what IT tells us, from Gen 1:1 all the way through to Rev. 22:21. Anything that is not in line with every word, simply can't be truth. It would however be mans teachings.
Yet as one stands for the teachings of a church or pastor, they can't also stand for the Word. No one can ever say they know everything, or understands every teaching from the Word. That is why we must study.
Yet as we look around at the way things are in the world, do speak out when it moves to the dark side. Most if honest will have to answer this with a NO. Oh sure they sit back and talk how wrong something is, and them follow through with more talk, and no action. Much to satins delight I might add.
With this so called pride month behind us, how many have setped up to end this? Not many, if any at all. Trust me, this thread will not be for the faint at heart. It may well go places that make you a bit uncomfortable, or make you want to move to end the madness that is taking over the world.
So here is where the hate begins. Yes I can deal with it, it doesn't hurt my feelings, or scare me at all. You won't run me off, and you can't intimadte me. All I ask, is that you think about what the Word tells us about order, and how to conduct our selves in a study of HaShem's Word.

 

[Rainrider]

I do understand that this may steep on some toes. Yet it seems that most today seem to seek out a nice comfurtable place to share the Word with others that already "live by" the same understanding. In other words, most are unwilling to stand in the light, and let that light shine for all to see. I know, you do part. Yet when it comes to things like web sites that don't want that on their site, do you still go there and teach the word? I do, and have been band from You tube, face book, and others like them, for just that.
This is how it became crystal clear that not many are willing. You see, if we stood together as one united front, we have the power to change that. Don't believe me? Look at is becoming of schools, where kids are haveing to deal with gender issues. Parents are being called terrorist if they stand up and say enough. Yet the, (what I call alphabet soup) trans, gay and the rest of the alphabet stand together, and have the government backing them now.
If we, as a nation wish be called by our Fathers name, we must come together, and battel this evil head on. If not, we only give them the free rain they wish to have. I don't know who Reagan quieted, but their is no arguing that fact that it is right. When he said, all it takes for evil to prosper is for good people to do nothing. That is what we are seeing from most churches.
Sadly even here in what I am going to say is a safe place, this post shows little hope for any revival of what once was. There will be more on this from my self. It would be refreshing to see others will to live by Words of the one true G-d.
We are told in His Word to be worriers. To go into the world and spread His Word. Yet it seems only a small hand full are willing, why is that?

 

[Greeniebaby1]

I agree. I disagree with how the Church conducts itself in matters, however, I myself would like to stand united with Christians. I would even stand with Atheists, but I think most of us can agree that something has GOT to change! I know many people do not care about me and do not like me, but I'm beyond that. We need to all come together and come up with a solution that fits each individual person, or at least come to a general consensus, cause this is not ok.

I just want the truth, and I've found I'm not going to find it in the Catholic/Christian Church. Sorry, but, the current paradigm isn't working for a lot of people, me included. I don't mind order, I understand why we have to have order, but some of it sounds like insanity to me. To expect a person to be perfect is impossible. Am I saying I'm any better than anyone else? No not at all, but I do think something needs to change.

 

[Rainrider]

I am no better than anyone. The thing that does set me apart, and you it seems, is that I don't worry about what people may think. When I gave my life over to HaShem back in 1975, I knew I would longer fit in with the world. However, so long as I am doing His work, and place my trusting faithfulness in Him. I know that I have the approval needed.
Now lets see if we can't find an answer, and work to change this nation back to it's greatness as a truly G-d following nation. It won't be easy mind you, yet we do nothing, nothing will change.

 

[Greeniebaby1]

I am no better than anyone. The thing that does set me apart, and you it seems, is that I don't worry about what people may think. When I gave my life over to HaShem back in 1975, I knew I would longer fit in with the world. However, so long as I am doing His work, and place my trusting faithfulness in Him. I know that I have the approval needed.
Now lets see if we can't find an answer, and work to change this nation back to it's greatness as a truly G-d following nation. It won't be easy mind you, yet we do nothing, nothing will change.

Agreed! I'm willing to work with you and everyone else to come up with solutions, cause right now, all we have are problems!

 

[Rainrider]

One big steep would be to vote for people that stand with sound Biblical values. I don't care what they call themselves, Dem. Rep. or independent. I was kicked off you tube, and facebook for telling the truth, so that's out. What we need more than anything is for true believers to band together. I can say for sure not one church in this town is willing to do so.
I tried to get them to do something as simple as help the people in Origin, I think their business is called sweet cakes, or something like that. Do you know that if every true follower of HaShem would just put in one dollar, we could fight every case brought against people of faith?
However, we must also keep in mind that prophecy is never wrong. So it would be a fight for life.
We drooped the ball in 1960. When Madalyn O'Hair pushed to have prayer removed from schools.
As I look around at the world now, I see what Yeshua had warned us was coming. In Luck 17:26-28. think about that. Do you not see what was described in the Word of Noah's, and Lot's time? I sure do. Does that mean to just walk away and hide in a hole, nope. Revival is what is needed, and here there hasn't been a church held revival in about 20 years.
If we can find a way to get the word out to every church in the nation, and convince them all to come together as one, we win. HaShem has said it, and I have faith in Him, and His word. Any ideas how to that? If no one is willing to put their face to it, I will. Yes I know the death threats that will come my way, and who knows, some nut may even follow through with it.
In all truth, I am shocked this thread is still here.

 

[Rainrider]

Up to this point I have made little effort to make this about sound Biblical values. When in truth, it has everything to do with just that.
If we look back at history, we see a nation that stood strong against over whelming odds, and won their independents from England. With an army that was nothing more than people that stood strong, and together. They didn't worry about what your faith was, nor care about what side you might vote on. They had a goal, worked, fought, and in some cases gave their lives for that goal to become reality.
Later, another determined peoples, did the same thing. Only it was to end slavery. For the first 1/2 of that war, they seen defeat after defeat. Yet they keep coming. Keep fighting, with a bold determination not seen today.
So if this is about sound Biblical values, why talk about wars past? When you look at said wars, the USA won every war they fought, until something changed. We began to force h
HaShem out of every aspect of life. Ended pray in school, and what happened? We lost for the first time in our history. That was Vietnam.
Yet if we look back at England, they were once seen as the strongest military in the World. They held the world in their hands. Nations used their currency for international trade. Then after WW2 that changed. The USA took that spot as the primary resurvey currency. Now keep in mind this was a time when people know HaShem, and most did their best to live up to the teachings in the Word.
True followers ran this nation, and would not have dreamed of some of what we see today. They know prophecy, and understood we can't stop it from coming to fruition. Just as many of use today understand the same. However when asked, Why try to stop it, when we know we can't?
The answer is the same. We don't try to stop it, we simply fight to slow it down. We all know that once you give up a freedom, you may never regain said freedom.
More often than not, those who say they believe, and live their life by the Word, simply don't know or understand one point. We not called to be fearful, we are called to be worriers. If not why would we told to put in the whole amour of HaShem in Eph. 6:11. If you read that you will find that there is nothing to cover the back. It is the understanding of this writer that is done to show we must not run.
So I ask now, would it hurt anyone of us to work hard to bring revival into the church, streets, and most of all politics. Not even a little. Oh sure we have seen the IRS used to try and force churches to submit to the will of DC. Even today if fight back we are called tarriest. As they seek a way to silence use.
Why do so many do so little to end this? Is it fear, or just laziness. Then it may be both. If so let me ask something. If you were placed on trial for your life, having been charged with following the Word, would their be enough evidence to convict you? Could they look at your life and see the Word being lived out in your life? For so many that answer would be no. You see I have worked for so called believers, that say they are christain, yet don't stand up to the things they have said they would do. In the Word we are not told, Only live up to the things you say that put money in your pocket. Take advantage of people that show they will go that second mile with you, and they don't stop at the one mile they said they would go. Not giving them anything other than to point out the short comings, and forget about them seeing any of the good you have done.
So lets move foreword from here, and start making this known. Don't back away when things get heated. stand your ground, and never back down. However we must keep in mind one thing. Luke 9:5. if it becomes clear they want no part of the truth, kick the dust from your feet as you leave.

 

[TabinRivCA]

HaShem=The Name, feels strange to me to call God. I know some are hesitant to say Yahweh though.

 

[Rainrider]

It did for me as well for a long time. Then I learned something from a Rabbi, who I debated with many times in my life. He told me this, and in my mind it makes sense.
When a person doesn't know the true name, they use the language they know. If a person has groan up in a church that uses the word God, they use it, to do less would be to dishonor them self's. When I questioned him on this, his reply made me think about my-self. A person should always ware their own closes. It feels strange to on put a suit that isn't yours. It doesn't fit, and everyone can see that it isn't yours. HaShem sees what is in our hearts, and titles mean little to Him.
So we should understand that even though the name Yeshua is dear to ones heart, the name Jesus should not be belittled for any reason. Just as the title God, should be seen as what a person has learned, and understands therefore should be respected.
I could go into the arguments as to the True name, and some may see it's value, others would become a bit confused. I will say this about it though. HaShem doesn't just denote The Name, it encompasses all 72 titles used in the Hebrew language. Yes that does include Yod Hay vav hay. Even what it isn't pronounced properly, HaShem understand what we mean.

Sorry for the edit I missed a word.

 

[paralambano]

Ya, God knows intent, a lot of the stuff we can't see by human condition.

para . . . .

 

[brighthouse98]

To me the most important point is that when you call upon the name of Jesus or whatever name you have chosen, he answers!! For the most part the Church calls upon itself in many cases, not all churches but for the most cases which is why

1. Many are leaving these churches and 2 The Lord has removed many of the candlestick from these churches and many are becoming exactly what the enemy wants!! To become confused!

There is in truth but one Church!! Man made churches do not count as a church to me, because man-made churches include man-made doctrine! THE CHURCH is made up of a true body of believers! The Word of God himself is my Church. And to walk his Word out daily! (James 1:22) If one is a follower, then one lives his or her life each day to his very will! And what is his will??? ( ! Thess 5:18) is his will!

 

[Rainrider]

To me the most important point is that when you call upon the name of Jesus or whatever name you have chosen, he answers!! For the most part the Church calls upon itself in many cases, not all churches but for the most cases which is why

1. Many are leaving these churches and 2 The Lord has removed many of the candlestick from these churches and many are becoming exactly what the enemy wants!! To become confused!

There is in truth but one Church!! Man made churches do not count as a church to me, because man-made churches include man-made doctrine! THE CHURCH is made up of a true body of believers! The Word of God himself is my Church. And to walk his Word out daily! (James 1:22) If one is a follower, then one lives his or her life each day to his very will! And what is his will??? ( ! Thess 5:18) is his will!

To Walk in His truth, one must know His Word, from Gen. through Rev. Don't get me wrong, the NT is a great work, however, unless you know His Torah much is lost in it's reading.

 

[brighthouse98]

Brother Rainrider I sure do not wish to offend you! But the Torah was never written for me for I am not a jew. I live in the New Covenant not in the Old. Hence why in the New Covenant the Jews were so offended by Jesus. because Jesus was not just for the Jews but also for people like me!! Thank God!! Hence why it was the Jews who put him up on the cross in the first place. Now I do not hate the Jewish people I love them even as Jesus himself does.

I have no regard for what was, but rather what now is. Example- I once lived in California. and was bound by their laws, now I live in Michigan would I still be bound by California law?? Of course not! neither am I bound by the law of the Old Covenant for if I was then I would have to follow the law perfectly, which cannot be done! (James 2:8-13)

For if the first covenant had been flawless there would have been no need for a new one brother! (Heb 8:7-13) Note please also verse 13!!! Now to those who wish to stay in the Old Covenant that is their business. But there is no salvation under it, and that is a problem to me! I have been in the Lord now over 40 years brother, I know his Word almost entirely by memory.

That is no boast! To love Jesus is to also love his Word which I do. NOW!! That is not to say the Old Testament does not have value!! INDEED, it does!! For to understand where one is now, we must look at the very heavy cost it took to get here!! Brother, I love you in the Lord, but I am a warrior for Christ, a disciple!

I do not wish for any of my dear brothers and sisters to ever be led astray! As I know you do not. Blessing! I am rather blunt when it comes to Jesus and his Word that is my part in the Body OF Christ, so forgive me if I offended you in any way that was not my intent!

 

[Rainrider]

Brother Rainrider I sure do not wish to offend you! But the Torah was never written for me for I am not a jew. I live in the New Covenant not in the Old. Hence why in the New Covenant the Jews were so offended by Jesus. because Jesus was not just for the Jews but also for people like me!! Thank God!! Hence why it was the Jews who put him up on the cross in the first place. Now I do not hate the Jewish people I love them even as Jesus himself does.

I have no regard for what was, but rather what now is. Example- I once lived in California. and was bound by their laws, now I live in Michigan would I still be bound by California law?? Of course not! neither am I bound by the law of the Old Covenant for if I was then I would have to follow the law perfectly, which cannot be done! (James 2:8-13)

For if the first covenant had been flawless there would have been no need for a new one brother! (Heb 8:7-13) Note please also verse 13!!! Now to those who wish to stay in the Old Covenant that is their business. But there is no salvation under it, and that is a problem to me! I have been in the Lord now over 40 years brother, I know his Word almost entirely by memory.

That is no boast! To love Jesus is to also love his Word which I do. NOW!! That is not to say the Old Testament does not have value!! INDEED, it does!! For to understand where one is now, we must look at the very heavy cost it took to get here!! Brother, I love you in the Lord, but I am a warrior for Christ, a disciple!

I do not wish for any of my dear brothers and sisters to ever be led astray! As I know you do not. Blessing! I am rather blunt when it comes to Jesus and his Word that is my part in the Body OF Christ, so forgive me if I offended you in any way that was not my intent!

If I may ask, what by the Biblical definition is the New Covenant?

 

[resto]

Its not what we have become. Its how we were born. Christ gives us a choice to alter and decide who we will be

 

[brighthouse98]

John 3:16 The blood of Jesus which was shed is enough to cover all sin for all time. There is no longer needed to sacrifice animals. Please remember before God made the Ten Commandments sin was never explained there was grace, but when the Jewish people said WE WILL DO (Exodus 19:5-8) VERSE 8!!!

In the Jewish sin texts, which I am sure you know very well, these words WE WILL DO angered the Lord greatly!! Look what happens after these words were spoken!! (Exodus 19:9-25) Now the Lord comes in a thick cloud to Moses, now the people cannot go to the mountain. THEN in Chapter 20 he gives them the Ten Commandments and please note something else not one mention of prayer!

Therefore, when Jesus came in order to bring a New Covenant, he had to fulfil the first. His death and shedding of blood accomplished just that. Salvation only by the very blood of our Jesus, for no man other than Jesus can remove sin, by any means. This defines good brother our New Covenant.

You may disagree I take no offense! But the truth is what sets us free from bondage, and I am most thankful to our Lord Jesus for setting many of us free from that bondage of the Law. Blessing brother!

 

[Rainrider]

John 3:16 The blood of Jesus which was shed is enough to cover all sin for all time. There is no longer needed to sacrifice animals. Please remember before God made the Ten Commandments sin was never explained there was grace, but when the Jewish people said WE WILL DO (Exodus 19:5-8) VERSE 8!!!

In the Jewish sin texts, which I am sure you know very well, these words WE WILL DO angered the Lord greatly!! Look what happens after these words were spoken!! (Exodus 19:9-25) Now the Lord comes in a thick cloud to Moses, now the people cannot go to the mountain. THEN in Chapter 20 he gives them the Ten Commandments and please note something else not one mention of prayer!

Therefore, when Jesus came in order to bring a New Covenant, he had to fulfil the first. His death and shedding of blood accomplished just that. Salvation only by the very blood of our Jesus, for no man other than Jesus can remove sin, by any means. This defines good brother our New Covenant.

You may disagree I take no offense! But the truth is what sets us free from bondage, and I am most thankful to our Lord Jesus for setting many of us free from that bondage of the Law. Blessing brother!

It was not the words that brought Israel under judgment, it was their actions. Just as today, if we say we will follow His and fail to do so. It isn't what we say, it is what we do.

What we are told of the new covenant from the Word, and as was prophesied. First mention to last.

Jer 31:33“But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel on that day,” says the LORD. “I will put my instructions deep within them, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.

Please note that He doesn't say the law will be removed, just placed in our hearts,


Luk 22:20After supper he took another cup of wine and said, “This cup is the new covenant between God and his people—an agreement confirmed with my blood, which is poured out as a sacrifice for you.

Here we find that the New Covenant is a blood covenant. Something that if you don't fully understand I am willing to help with that.

1Co 11:25In the same way, he took the cup of wine after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant between God and his people—an agreement confirmed with my blood. Do this to remember me as often as you drink it.”

Now I know I may catch flack for this, (just a bit more hate from the love crowd) However, when we look at this, do we really see what is being said? Just what was Yeshua doing that would make up the THIS He speaks of?

2Co 3:6He has enabled us to be ministers of his new covenant. This is a covenant not of written laws, but of the Spirit. The old written covenant ends in death; but under the new covenant, the Spirit gives life.

Rather than bicker over words, I am simply going to say one thing. The Law has been a spiritual thing, True it has some physical properties. Just as is seen in every church today. We must also keep in ind the word Law isn't used here, or in the whole of this book.
For one to say it is speaking of Torah, they must first limit the meaning of Torah to the written word. Hence removing all spiritual aspects.

Heb 8:8But when God found fault with the people, he said:
“The day is coming, says the LORD,
when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel and Judah.

We must understand this is talking of the people having fault not Torah.

Heb 8:10But this is the new covenant I will make
with the people of Israel on that day, says the LORD:
I will put my laws in their minds,
and I will write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.

Again we don't see the removal of Law, just where it is written. I know that isn't every passage, I am going to forego that last 4 for time. You see this topic can and most likely will cover way more than just the covenants.
As we know, no part of the Word can stand, it any part is in conflict with another. So when one reads only the one part, and doesn't slow down to recessional it with the whole of His word, errors are made. Keep in mind that HaShem in His Torah told us, it was forever. Through out all your generations.
I am not avdicating for anyone to change their faith. Doing so would open a door I feel is best left locked. Paul said we must work out our own salvation. I don't think he was speaking of removing any part of the only Bible he had. That being the Tanakh. Now had Paul tried to remove the only Bible available, he would not be seen as a true man of HaShem.

 

[brighthouse98]

I understand, words cause action. Only the Lord can open one's mind to the truth, I will leave it at that bro.

 

[Rainrider]

I understand, words cause action. Only the Lord can open one's mind to the truth, I will leave it at that bro.

I really enjoyed talking with you. Keep the faith my friend, and as Paul said. Well kind of anyway, Keep studying, always seeking truth.