WHAT IS MOST URGENT?
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Again as above no.
If you cannot answer my question then by fear to answer, I assume you hold the unpopular belief. As in you have become sinless.
Have you become sinless? Yes or No?
Why do the lord ship salvationists repackage the "works based salvation" heresy in an unidentifiable manner as "works to prove one has saving faith"? It is because the "works based salvation" heresy is popularly understood as a heresy and is indefensible.
In context what did you disagree with above. Answer simply without a jumble of words.
Are you sanctified by your works?
Acts 15:9: "He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith".
Your basic problem is your lack of knowledge of the difference between imputation and works? That is why you are very silent on Hebrews 10:10.
Doesn't answer my question. What did you disagree with or where does my post mention sanctification by works? Sanctification doesn't save you.
Scroll up a bit and observe how I was quoted...
To be fair I suppose I could have PM'd that and then it wouldn't have been fair game, but still...somewhat strange.
Perhaps to the benefit of the thread and not to the OP specifically. What is a work? The definition of that could perhaps be useful to moving this discussion along in a productive manner.
Dividing the difference between a work of the flesh and a work of the spirit is quite important in this discussion it seems to me.
In regards to works of the spirit, can we refuse a work? What happens when we do? Does the story of Jonah have any bearing in running from the will of the Lord in a matter? Is it possible that we will do the will of the Lord regardless, but the "manner" is up to us? I had a saying when I was younger (like 16) that you can either walk hand in hand with the Lord to do his will, or he can drag you kicking and screaming (as with Jonah) down the aisle to the altar/whatever he wills for you to do. I can certainly see this in scripture but almost 13 years later I am uncertain of this assertion as undeniable fact...or?
These are questions that are springing forth after some time alone, I didn't expect to come back to this thread except I was quoted and it was rather out of place, except loosely as having posted on this thread.
Take care, of course whoever reads this has an option to respond or not. I am uncertain how to proceed in regard to "LS", as it has been referred to elsewhere, without any base of discussion...leastways not any base I can launch from except in my own direction and hope that the Lord puts what I say to some usefulness. Peace be with you
To be fair I suppose I could have PM'd that and then it wouldn't have been fair game, but still...somewhat strange.
Perhaps to the benefit of the thread and not to the OP specifically. What is a work? The definition of that could perhaps be useful to moving this discussion along in a productive manner.
Dividing the difference between a work of the flesh and a work of the spirit is quite important in this discussion it seems to me.
In regards to works of the spirit, can we refuse a work? What happens when we do? Does the story of Jonah have any bearing in running from the will of the Lord in a matter? Is it possible that we will do the will of the Lord regardless, but the "manner" is up to us? I had a saying when I was younger (like 16) that you can either walk hand in hand with the Lord to do his will, or he can drag you kicking and screaming (as with Jonah) down the aisle to the altar/whatever he wills for you to do. I can certainly see this in scripture but almost 13 years later I am uncertain of this assertion as undeniable fact...or?
These are questions that are springing forth after some time alone, I didn't expect to come back to this thread except I was quoted and it was rather out of place, except loosely as having posted on this thread.
Take care, of course whoever reads this has an option to respond or not. I am uncertain how to proceed in regard to "LS", as it has been referred to elsewhere, without any base of discussion...leastways not any base I can launch from except in my own direction and hope that the Lord puts what I say to some usefulness. Peace be with you
Your post: "sin will be prevalent and it will relationally strain your connection to God".
Your basic problem is you haven't gained eternal life by faith according to 1John5:11. Eternal life isn't life if you can lose it.
You are waiting to be glorified so you won't commit sin and thus earn relationship with God. You don't trust in the grace given through Christ's perfection in order to gain the free fellowship with God.
Scroll up a bit and observe how I was quoted...
To be fair I suppose I could have PM'd that and then it wouldn't have been fair game, but still...somewhat strange.
Perhaps to the benefit of the thread and not to the OP specifically. What is a work? The definition of that could perhaps be useful to moving this discussion along in a productive manner.
Dividing the difference between a work of the flesh and a work of the spirit is quite important in this discussion it seems to me.
In regards to works of the spirit, can we refuse a work? What happens when we do? Does the story of Jonah have any bearing in running from the will of the Lord in a matter? Is it possible that we will do the will of the Lord regardless, but the "manner" is up to us? I had a saying when I was younger (like 16) that you can either walk hand in hand with the Lord to do his will, or he can drag you kicking and screaming (as with Jonah) down the aisle to the altar/whatever he wills for you to do. I can certainly see this in scripture but almost 13 years later I am uncertain of this assertion as undeniable fact...or?
These are questions that are springing forth after some time alone, I didn't expect to come back to this thread except I was quoted and it was rather out of place, except loosely as having posted on this thread.
Take care, of course whoever reads this has an option to respond or not. I am uncertain how to proceed in regard to "LS", as it has been referred to elsewhere, without any base of discussion...leastways not any base I can launch from except in my own direction and hope that the Lord puts what I say to some usefulness. Peace be with you
The Holy Spirit doesn't empower you to do holy works in order to circumvent Christ's offer of free salvation based on Christ's perfect works on the cross. Faith in Christ is indispensable.
Perhaps you shouldn't use a misleading thread title.
Or did you do that deliberately?
"What is most urgent?" Is an open question.
But in the OP you showed that you really just wanted to complain about 'lordship salvation'. (whatever that is)
It's not a complaint but the most urgent requirement for church-goers who aren't yet saved to be saved.