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I think that’s the point! There shouldn’t be any division, or different doctrines. God died for all and only gave one doctrine.
What is really happening when Christians break bread and drink wine to remember Christ's death until He comes back?
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I think that’s the point! There shouldn’t be any division, or different doctrines. God died for all and only gave one doctrine.
Thank you for this post awareness in truth PhilThompson
Not, seeing the truth of what is done by Son for us all is the problem I see! What?
I see all those verses you used but Peter's Epistle are before the death, burial and resurrection of our Lord Jesus for us to get saved by Father through his being risen from the dead. New life being content in all things good or bad that happen to us all, no one better than the other ever form God's view to us all, Romans 12:2
The Communion is a Thanksgiving celebration of what is now done for us to be given the new life in the risen Son Jesus the Christ from Father to love all, not a few, all, not a few as only the first birth flesh only knows how to do, and can never get it right, trying to do right. No flesh nature pleases God, none but the Perfect Son as God and Son as Won for us in the resurrection for everyone to choose to believe it or not, no doubts. Those that doubt do not Get established in the truth/ it is Finished, John 19:30. Being under Law is what is now finished, Jesus fulfilled the Law and Prophets for us all, y'all, that is what is done, Matthew 5:17. Father reveals this to each person that is sincere, these will see and grow up unto maturity over time in not ever quitting believing God loves them and all as well, even though any troubles happening or have happen and even might happen. Believe God, continue and receive the truth in this love and mercy and be content in all things, as a response to God above it all, thank you Father and Son as Won for us. Wow! woe is me Isaiah 6:1-7
The entire world's playing field leveled in the risen Son for us each to be made new from Father of Son, the two married as Won (One) for us to stand in Col 1:21-23. will we stand and see this truth, by God we are new as if never ever ever sinned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what, how can that be, I just did it again, what I now hate, yet I continue in, and do not want to, yet do it anyways. Romans 7 explains this conundrum, and has taken for me to never give up on God ever, to see new and newer as I stand in not quitting trusting Father to take away all sin in through me, by the done work of Son only. Not that I can, I can't, yet God did in Son for us all y'all at the resurrection doe once for us all to be thankful in and not proud or guilty anymore
What??????????? Talked to God Father in the risen Son for you in your own closet, thank you Father and Son as Won to be given new if not gotten the yet, it is time, thank you
Yet we are imperfect, so we need to make allowance for differences. Just because we meet separately doesn't mean we have to divide. In essentials unity, in non-essentials liberty, in all things charity.I think that’s the point! There shouldn’t be any division, or different doctrines. God died for all and only gave one doctrine.
is the negative of axiOs, which is an adverb derived from anaxios.
Strong says "ἀνάξιος, -ον (α privative and ἄξιος) [from Sophocles down], unworthy (τινός): unfit for a thing, 1 Corinthians 6:2."
axiOs is an adjective from axios, of which Strongs says in it's primary sense means -
"ἄξιος, -α, -ον, (from ἄγω, ἄξω; therefore properly, drawing down the scale; hence)
a. weighing, having weight; with a genitive having the weight of (weighing as much as) another thing, of like value, worth as much: βοὸς ἄξιος, Homer, Iliad 23, 885; with the genitive of price [Winer's Grammar, 206 (194)], as ἄξ. δέκα μνῶν, common in Attic writings; πᾶν τίμιον οὐκ ἄξιον αὐτῆς (σοφίας) ἐστι, Proverbs 3:15; Proverbs 8:11; οὐκ ἔστι σταθμὸς πᾶς ἄξιος ψυχῆς, Sir. 26:15; οὐκ ἄξια πρὸς τ. δόξαν are of no weight in comparison with the glory, i. e. are not to be put on an equality with the glory, Romans 8:18; cf. Fritzsche at the passage and Winers Grammar, 405 (378); [Buttmann, 340 (292)]."
It occurs twice in the LXX - Proverbs 3:15; 8:11, again with the sense of valuing appropriately or fairly.
So, I think you linking it to weighing with false weights is reasonable. The communion is an affirmation of Christ's full and unreserved forgiveness applied to all those in Christ, so to forgive myself based on my reliance on Christ's work, while withholding it from another who is also relying on Christ's work, would be to apply a different weight or standard to the other person than I do to myself. Most often axios is translated with the sense of deserving something like wages for one's labour, or worship for being God.
According to Jesus, the unforgiving servant was unworthy or undeserving of the forgiveness he had been granted by the master, and it was rescinded, and he was condemned.
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That’s funny, that’s probably how the Jews felt over 2 centuries ago. Jesus had something to say about that, Aeh!
1Co 11:20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.
1Co 11:21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.
1Co 11:22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.
1Co 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
1Co 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
1Co 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
1Co 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
They were not engaging in the Lord's supper but used the Church service to eat and drink bring their own food and wine.
Which some went hungry not being able to supply their own food which it seems they were unwilling to share and they were getting drunk.
Which Paul said eat and drink at home.
But the Lord's supper is not a banquet or a feast to engage in eating and drinking as a meal.
1Co 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
1Co 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
This part seems like Paul is saying if you are holding on to sin do not partake of the Lord's supper which is why he said examine yourself.
1Co 11:21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.
1Co 11:22 What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.
1Co 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
1Co 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
1Co 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
1Co 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
They were not engaging in the Lord's supper but used the Church service to eat and drink bring their own food and wine.
Which some went hungry not being able to supply their own food which it seems they were unwilling to share and they were getting drunk.
Which Paul said eat and drink at home.
But the Lord's supper is not a banquet or a feast to engage in eating and drinking as a meal.
1Co 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
1Co 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
This part seems like Paul is saying if you are holding on to sin do not partake of the Lord's supper which is why he said examine yourself.
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Which is? And, if known, will this "one doctrine" Solve this Severe DIVISION in the "One Body"?
Just wondering...
Reading all Ephesians as a whole, no chapters, no verses I see Paul calling for the unity of us all, thanks love the post
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Yes, according to you, we have to all have the same doctrines. Since you allow for no deviation, I can only conclude that it must be the doctrines you hold to.
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Like I said, it’s not what I think but what God states…. I use Scripture to back up my points. Do you? And it is His doctrine (singular).
You only need to read it….
I also use Scripture to back up my points. And it is His doctrine. You only need to read it. See where this is going?
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I haven’t seen any. (?) Where is your Scripture to back up your statements that Jesus accepts all kinds of doctrine?
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So we're back to everyone has to believe what you do. Is that you, Intersection?
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Not at all, I totally disagree. That’s not what you read in the whole Bible.
You might have an intersection, but you have to keep bearing to the Right; no pun intended! lol