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josh123
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where does it say that the first 4 commandments is loving god, please let the bible do the talking.
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Luke Chapter 10:
25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live."
It's not very complicated
Tell me can flesh or is flesh capable of doing this all the time?
Is flesh and blood able to keep the commandments? 100%
What did Christ come to do? Was it to give life to flesh or new life not of flesh but of the Spirit of God?
And how is this done? giving this new life in God's Spirit?
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josh123
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impossible, only the spirit can and when we receive the baptism of holy spirt.. you see the only way to know god is to receive him and how can anyone know god without receiving him? exactly. if anyone trying to do that in the flesh it's just forms of godliness
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josh123
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that's what i'm trying to show/tell them...[h=3]1 John 3:23 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. but instead of following this commandment and receive the spirit they follow the other one and neglect it.[/h]
Whether you use the Laws of Love or the Ten commandments makes no difference to the truth? Why, because Flesh can't obey them, none of them, not ever in it's entirety.
Flesh does not please God and whenever the commandments come to flesh whether it be God's Love or the literal commandments from Moses, flesh just simply can't be perfect.
So how does one become perfect then as what is required?
I am willing to bet that verse properly interpreted is " if you love God, god's type of Love will done through you as it was and is in Christ
[h=3]John 14:10[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works.
Who does the works? God yes. Is this not the same for all that believe God to led as Christ in Love to all as Christ did
Is not the love that we are to Love God with come full throttle when one sees
1 John 4:19
We love Him because He first loved us.
[h=3]Ephesians 3:17-19[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in love, [SUP]18 [/SUP]may be able to comprehend with all the saints what is the width and length and depth and height— [SUP]19 [/SUP]to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.
Is it not true, that we all are striving to Love God and do as God says to the best of our abilities and none of us just can't attain this in the flesh, perfectly? Whether it be the Mosaic Law or the greatest that fulfills all Law, which is God's type of Love.
So what can do this?
Okay,, let's see what scripture says,, and then we shall reason.
"Thou shalt have no other Gods before Me."
"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image....thou shall not bow down thyself to them nor serve them..."
"Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain..."
"Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all they work... for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth , the sea, and all that in them is..."
josh,,, those are the first 4 Commandments,, and each one is directed at how we are to conduct ourselves to God.
Surely you can see that these four commandments pertain to God.. And keeping these four along with the other six,,,combined with Faith that Jesus is indeed the Messiah = Loving God and man.
The angel in Revelation warns that we are obey God and keep His Sabbath Command...Revelation 14:7 is a Direct Warning to obey God and keep His Sabbath. Read the Sabbath Commanment in it's entirety,, then read Rev 14:7,, and see who made these things,, heaven and earth, and seas.
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josh123
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and how does one love god? 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
[h=3]Galatians 5:22-23 now i'm showing this because this is the nature of the holy spirit all it knows to do is love it's a supernatural love by receiving the holy spirit is the only way to love god and without it we CANNOT know what love of god is. 8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. 1 John 4:8[/h]
[h=3]Galatians 5:22-23 now i'm showing this because this is the nature of the holy spirit all it knows to do is love it's a supernatural love by receiving the holy spirit is the only way to love god and without it we CANNOT know what love of god is. 8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. 1 John 4:8[/h]
By you being reckoned dead to sin, by god and you believe God
[h=3]Romans 6:4[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[h=3]Romans 6:11[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
God can only today be worshipped in Spirit and truth
- John 4:23
But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
John 4:22-24 (in Context) John 4 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations - John 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
Its hard to figure out which commandments are ok to follow to the letter and which ones you spiritualize.
I guess when the letter of the law gets too strenuous that is when you spiritualize??? That's when you use your "common" sense???
I didn't see anywhere in the law where it said go ahead and have 2 or 3 Sabbaths whenever you want as long as you make sure one of them is on the 7th day.
Galatians 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
Its like you fall back on Love for all of the commandments and then when it comes to the 4th you point to the Law. But Josh has pointed to the 4th and told you what the letter says and yet you have relaxed the Law that you wish to be justified by.
That's weird isn't it? If you are going to be justified by the letter of the Law then you have to follow the whole thing. Otherwise you're not justified by anything.
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josh123
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so where does this come in? And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us. [h=3]1 John 3:23 so you saying this one isn't necessary ? or we take turns doing them is that it? your making less and less sense everytime if this says to believe in the name of his son jesus christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us shouldn't this be ABOVE everything because to believe in jesus ( in heart) gives us eternal life so you tell me which it or which one you would like to keep and why isn't sabbath keeping found in this commandment?[/h]
LOVE you all as God does unconditionally, it is all God and none of me except to have chosen to believe God, as you all here have to. Knowing this I make no Judgment to any of you all, for God has received you all and God will teach us all to stand
[h=3]Romans 14[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[h=3]The Law of Liberty[/h]14 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. [SUP]4 [/SUP]Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
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Donkeyfish07
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Of course not, that's impossible if your walking in the flesh....you would be hard pressed to do either even half the time.
Galatians 5:16
"[SUP]16 [/SUP]This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh."
That is because no flesh in God's sight will ever please God except Christ's flesh. and we today know him no more in the flesh. In the Spirit yes and is what God by belief gives us a free gift to new life back alive in the Spirit of God that once was before Adam ate from the tree of Evil.
1) I'm saved by the mercy and grace of Jesus' life, death and resurrection. Nothing else. My continued belief and faith in that assures my salvation. Nothing else.
So what do I do now? Love God with everything I have in me. How? John 14:15 "“If you love Me, you will keep My commandments."
Can I do it perfectly? Nope. God is the ONLY one who can love perfectly.
Does that mean I should not even try? I hope not.
For all of the married folks in here: Do you love your spouse? Of course you do. (If you don't, we need to talk about that
) Are you always successful? Probably not. Is there still a love there between the 2 of you even when you do? I hope so. But when you don't, you miss out on some of the closeness you could feel in your relationship at that moment. But it doesn't mean you're going to get a divorce.
Do I "HAVE TO" obey any of God's commandments? Depends on why you say I "HAVE to".
Do I have to for my salvation? No.
Should I try to show Him that I love Him? Yes.
Do I have to all the time 100% perfectly to show that I love Him? No.
Do I dishonor Him when I choose not to show Him that I love Him? Yes.
Should I still try anyway to show Him I love Him on daily basis in a practical way? Yes.
How do I do that?
John 14:15 "“If you love Me, you will keep My commandments."
So what do I do now? Love God with everything I have in me. How? John 14:15 "“If you love Me, you will keep My commandments."
Can I do it perfectly? Nope. God is the ONLY one who can love perfectly.
Does that mean I should not even try? I hope not.
For all of the married folks in here: Do you love your spouse? Of course you do. (If you don't, we need to talk about that
) Are you always successful? Probably not. Is there still a love there between the 2 of you even when you do? I hope so. But when you don't, you miss out on some of the closeness you could feel in your relationship at that moment. But it doesn't mean you're going to get a divorce.Do I "HAVE TO" obey any of God's commandments? Depends on why you say I "HAVE to".
Do I have to for my salvation? No.
Should I try to show Him that I love Him? Yes.
Do I have to all the time 100% perfectly to show that I love Him? No.
Do I dishonor Him when I choose not to show Him that I love Him? Yes.
Should I still try anyway to show Him I love Him on daily basis in a practical way? Yes.
How do I do that?
John 14:15 "“If you love Me, you will keep My commandments."
I have not ever been able to keep all of them, have you?
Now I personally know all is kept in Christ, and I believe and am freed, but not to use my freedom as an occasion for the flesh or to ever neglect such a great salvation, or I know I shall never escape. So in appreciation to God's amazing salvation to us all in response, I am thanking and praising this daily. This is rest to me every day, whether I work at this or that here on earth, I am at rest in whatever it is I am doing, ready to give an account for the Joy that protrudes through me, in season or out of season. It is all God and none of me. I am no more than a vessel for God to use as God sees fit.
Just as water glass is peoples vessel to use as they see fit.
So,,you also believe that when God said " six days you shalt labor and do all they work.." you think God meant no sleeping, no eating,, no bathroom break. just straight working,, even if there is no work. no jobs.
Grandpa,, if you beleive that..you go ahead and continue to beleive that.. I cannot help you..... believe as you desire...
But,, while you and josh believe that God meant for man to constantly work six straight days with not even a break to eat or relief yourself,,,, try to remember this Scripture that Contradicts your sensless belief...
"..for your law is my delight." Psalm 119:77
Why do you make the Law of God a burden? It shouldn't be.
The interesting thing about all this is that we who are Commandments keepers, who understand the love of God in them and the patience of God and the forgiveness of God, are called Pharisees by those who say such remarkably burdensome, Pharisaical things.
I find it very ironic.
It starts out with flesh doing its best to please God and usually pleases people as if it is God that is pleased and all God is doing is showing us that no flesh will ever please him, except Son that already did. So all righteousness is found in Son and received in the resurrection, for us to have new life in God's Spirit, and counting our flesh as dead, whom God raises it back to life being led by God's Spirit, the same way as Christ was led while in the flesh here on earth and is no more today.
We are the representation of Christ in the Spirit. The Joy, the peace and the righteousness that is found in Christ is revealed through the resurrected Christ in the Spirit of God the Father
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.