What is the Name of the Father and the Messiah?

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Apr 15, 2017
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Jesus is the name of the Father and Son.

Isa 52:5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

God said He would reveal a new name to the Jews,and speak to them.

Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Jesus told Philip if you have seen Me,then you have seen the Father,and the words I speak are not of My own,but the Father that dwells in Me,He does not works,and Jesus came in His Father's name.

God spoke to the Jews by the man Christ Jesus,and revealed His new name Jesus.The Father's name is Jesus.

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

The Son inherited the name Jesus from the Father.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The Holy Ghost comes in the name of Jesus.
 
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#84
Jesus is the name of the Father and Son.

Isa 52:5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

God said He would reveal a new name to the Jews,and speak to them.

Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

Joh 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Jesus told Philip if you have seen Me,then you have seen the Father,and the words I speak are not of My own,but the Father that dwells in Me,He does not works,and Jesus came in His Father's name.

God spoke to the Jews by the man Christ Jesus,and revealed His new name Jesus.The Father's name is Jesus.

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

The Son inherited the name Jesus from the Father.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The Holy Ghost comes in the name of Jesus.
do you think the name Jesus is unique one of a kind?
 

NayborBear

Banned Serpent Seed Heresy
#85
We do not know the correct pointing or pronunciation of the present active Participle יהוה I AM continuously.

We are told in Exo 3:14 the correct pointing of the imperfect אֶהְיֶ֥ה I Will Be. (God refers to Himself by this name also.)

We are told in Exo 2:22 the correct pointing of the perfect הָיִ֔יתִי I have been. (This is not used as God's name.)

Regarding the form of present active Participle יהוה , we know that the the initial consonant takes a cholem יֹ, and the first he ה is pointed with a shvah הְ. the yod cholem 'he' is pronounced yoh not yah. We have no idea how the vahvו is pointed but we know that it functions as a consonant with a 'v' plus a vowel. We have no idea whether or not the second he ה is pointed; so we don't know if there are two or three syllables.

Allow me, if you will, to help in what little way I might, in the trying in correcting where, or which vowel points, or even pronounciations, in Jehovah. Is pronounced 'Yah- uh- 'Vay. Not a scholar of linguistics, by anyones stretch of the imagination, but, have oft times wondered, how this might effect in translatings of the Hebrew. Just in the correctings of "sounds" of words.
 

Hizikyah

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I do not think anyone quit anything.It sounds more like someone is trying to develop a secret name as an oral tradition that rises above the name of the Bible, as to its authority. Names in respect to the word name throughout the scripture means authority . Adam means mankind .Eve means the first woman of mankind. Cain means "possession" . Abel means "breath" etc

There are many attributes of God as names used to represent his unseen glory. One of His names is Jealous. He jealousy protects all his attributes to include that of "hayah"(Jevohvah) the Almighty, self existent one God ,or God is our salvation.

Just like the word Jesus ,means God is our salvation.

God does not have a random name that sounds good to the ear, picked randomly by parents. He does not need a name to tell himself apart from false gods.

The word Jehovah has a double meaning. First it reflect, the attribute,God almighty ,as that which he previously was know by and now a new name Jehovah, the Almighty one has become our salvation

Isaiah 12:2 Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.

Exo 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name (attribute) of God Almighty, but by my name (attribute) JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
I do not think anyone quit anything.It sounds more like someone is trying to develop a secret name as an oral tradition that rises above the name of the Bible, as to its authority. Names in respect to the word name throughout the scripture means authority.
But actually Scripture says they did cause people to forget His name:

Jeremyah 23:26-27, "How long will this be in the heart of the prophets who prophesy lies? Yes, they are prophets of the deceit of their own minds; Who devise; plan and scheme, to cause My people to forget My Name through their dreams, which they tell every man to his neighbor, just as their fathers have forgotten My Name for Baal."


The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 7 page 680
The personal name... written in the Hebrew Bible with the four consonants YHWH and is referred to as the "Tetragrammaton." At least until the destruction of the First Temple in 586 B.C.E. this name was regularly pronounced with its proper vowels, as is clear from the Lachish Letters, written shortly before that date. But at least by the third century B.C.E. the pronunciation of the name YHWH was avoided and Adonai,"the Lord,"was substituted for it.


Word #H136 - Adonay: Adonay: Lord - Original Word: אֲדֹנָי - Transliteration: Adonay - Phonetic Spelling: (ad-o-noy') - Short Definition: Lord


International Standard Bible Encyclopedia - ADONAI
a-do'-ni, ad-o-na'-i ('adhonay): A Divine name, translated "Lord," and signifying, from its derivation, "sovereignty." Its vowels are found in the Massoretic Text with the unpronounceable tetragrammaton YHWH; and when the Hebrew reader came to these letters, he always substituted in pronunciation the word " 'adhonay," (Lord). Its vowels combined with the tetragrammaton form the word "YHWH (YHWH)."


The Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Kiddushin, page 71a
...R. Abina opposed [two verses]: It is written, 'this is my name'; but it is also written, 'and this is my memorial'?__The Holy One, blessed be He, said: I am not called as I am written: I am written with yod he, but I am read, alef daleth.7. The Tetragrammaton is yod he waw he (YHWH); but it is read adonai= alef daleth nun yod (ADNY)...

Talmud - Mas. Yoma 39b
His brethren [that year] the priests forbore to mention the Ineffable Name (YHWH) in pronouncing the [priestly] blessing.4 Our Rabbis taught: During the last forty years before the destruction of the Temple the lot [‘For the Lord’] did not come up in the right hand; nor did the crimson-coloured strap become white/"


Numbers 6:23-27, "Speak to Aaron and his sons, saying; This is how you are to bless the children of Israyl. Say to them; YHWH BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU. YHWH MAKE HIS FACE SHINE UPON YOU AND BE MERCIFUL TO YOU. YHWH LIFT UP HIS COUNTENANCE UPON YOU, AND GIVE YOU PEACE. So they will put MY NAME on the children of Israyl, and I will bless them."


Yeremyah 2:8, "The priests did not ask; Where is YHWH? Those who deal with the Law did not know Me! The pastors also transgressed against Me, and the prophets prophesied in the name of Baal, and walked after things of worthlessness"