What is the primary reason for the end-time Tribulation?

[cv5]

First this situation:

Dan 12:7
And I hear the one clothed in linen, who is upon the waters of the flood, and he doth lift up his right hand and his left unto the heavens, and sweareth by Him who is living to the age, that, 'After a time, times, and a half, and at the completion of the scattering of the power of the holy people, finished are all these.'

Then this:

Hos 5:15
I go -- I turn back unto My place, Till that they are desolate, and have sought My face. In their distress they do seek Me speedily!'
Hos 6:1
'Come, and we turn back unto Jehovah, For He hath torn, and He doth heal us, He doth smite, and He bindeth us up.
Hos 6:2
He doth revive us after two days, In the third day He doth raise us up, And we live before Him.

Zec 12:9
And it hath come to pass, in that day, I seek to destroy all the nations Who are coming in against Jerusalem,
Zec 12:10
And I have poured on the house of David, And on the inhabitant of Jerusalem, A spirit of grace and supplications, And they have looked unto Me whom they pierced, And they have mourned over it, Like a mourning over the only one, And they have been in bitterness for it, Like a bitterness over the first-born.


Those who say that Israel has been "kicked to the curb" forevermore are woefully mistaken......

 

[resto]

First this situation:

Dan 12:7
And I hear the one clothed in linen, who is upon the waters of the flood, and he doth lift up his right hand and his left unto the heavens, and sweareth by Him who is living to the age, that, 'After a time, times, and a half, and at the completion of the scattering of the power of the holy people, finished are all these.'

Then this:

Hos 5:15
I go -- I turn back unto My place, Till that they are desolate, and have sought My face. In their distress they do seek Me speedily!'
Hos 6:1
'Come, and we turn back unto Jehovah, For He hath torn, and He doth heal us, He doth smite, and He bindeth us up.
Hos 6:2
He doth revive us after two days, In the third day He doth raise us up, And we live before Him.

Zec 12:9
And it hath come to pass, in that day, I seek to destroy all the nations Who are coming in against Jerusalem,
Zec 12:10
And I have poured on the house of David, And on the inhabitant of Jerusalem, A spirit of grace and supplications, And they have looked unto Me whom they pierced, And they have mourned over it, Like a mourning over the only one, And they have been in bitterness for it, Like a bitterness over the first-born.


Those who say that Israel has been "kicked to the curb" forevermore are woefully mistaken......

It is 7 years from Daniels 70 weeks of years. This is 7 years of Jesus Judging Israel and the rest of mankind for not coming to Christ during the Church age. It primarily deals with Partially Blinded and Unrepentant Israel. During this 7 years Moses and Elija preach to Israel and do a lot of OT Miracles to call Israel to Christ. Moses and Elija witnessed Christ at the Mount Of Transfiguration. Where the Trinity came together in one place and God told Moses and Elija "This Is My Beloved Son, Hear Ye Him". 144,000 other males Virgin Jewish Christians will witness Christ in this 7 year period. There is a lot lot more to this. I hope some more Chatters will add comments

 

[cv5]

Dan 12:1
“At that time Michael shall stand up,
The great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people;
And there shall be a time of trouble,
Such as never was since there was a nation,
Even to that time.
And at that time your people shall be delivered,
Every one who is found written in the book.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

First this situation:

Dan 12:7
And I hear the one clothed in linen, who is upon the waters of the flood, and he doth lift up his right hand and his left unto the heavens, and sweareth by Him who is living to the age, that, 'After a time, times, and a half, and at the completion of the scattering of the power of the holy people, finished are all these.'

Then this:

Hos 5:15
I go -- I turn back unto My place, Till that they are desolate, and have sought My face. In their distress they do seek Me speedily!'
Hos 6:1
'Come, and we turn back unto Jehovah, For He hath torn, and He doth heal us, He doth smite, and He bindeth us up.
Hos 6:2
He doth revive us after two days, In the third day He doth raise us up, And we live before Him.

Zec 12:9
And it hath come to pass, in that day, I seek to destroy all the nations Who are coming in against Jerusalem,
Zec 12:10
And I have poured on the house of David, And on the inhabitant of Jerusalem, A spirit of grace and supplications, And they have looked unto Me whom they pierced, And they have mourned over it, Like a mourning over the only one, And they have been in bitterness for it, Like a bitterness over the first-born.


Those who say that Israel has been "kicked to the curb" forevermore are woefully mistaken......

great Verse.

Then I heard the man dressed in linen, who was above the water of the river, swear by the Ever-Living One as he lifted his right hand and his left hand to heaven: “For a time, times, and half a time;-a and when the breaking of the power of the holy people comes to an end, then shall all these things be fulfilled.”

i definitely Agree with you 100%

 

[Jimbone]

The reason for the end of the "AGE" tribulation Jesus speaks of in Mat 24 is judgement on a very specific group of people. The covenant breakers, the very ones that yelled "Crucify Him! We have no king but Caesar!", and worst of all, "His blood be on us and on our children!". The same even Jesus tells His disciples in Luke “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are inside the city depart, and let not those who are out in the country enter it, for these are days of vengeance, to fulfill all that is written. Alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! For there will be great distress upon the earth and wrath against this people. They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive among all nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled."

We also have historical accounts that this actually took place right before the temple was torn down brick off of brick exactly as Jesus said it would. It's honestly incredible how insanely His word lines up with history a nd glorifies our Creator and King Jesus.

That was the reason as I understand it.

 

[studentoftheword]

Thread Topic

What is the primary reason for the end-time Tribulation?

My View

God wants to save as many souls as He can ------and so many unbelievers will come to Salvation during the Tribulation ----

Also God wants to keep His promise to Israel---who rejected His Son ------ that they are His first Chosen nation and He honors them and marks them to save and protect them to Go through the Tribulation unharmed ------- He honors His pledge to them -----the 144,000 are marked and saved -----these are the 12 tribes of Israel -----

The Tribulation is brought forth so God can rid this wicked earth of all evil ---anyone not receiving Jesus during this time will experience the 2nd death -separated spiritually -from God forever ---and will be put in the Lake of fire with Satan and his tribe -----

 

[Nehemiah6]

Dan 12:1And there shall be a time of trouble, Such as never was since there was a nation. Even to that time.

This is the key to understanding the Tribulation, which is also called "the time of Jacob's trouble" [Jacob being a synonym for Israel (the person) as well as the nation of Israel].

It is important to note that the Tribulation is a unique event (which is yet in the future). And Christ also called the Great Tribulation a unique event, in that something like this has never happened, nor will happen again.

Why does God subject the Jews to a time of tribulation? This is primarily judgement for the rejection of Christ. But many will be delivered out of it. And many will turn to Christ at His Second Coming.

Israel is also the key to all Bible prophecy, since God has a plan for redeemed and restored Israel. There are dozens of prophecies relating to this, but somehow they have been ignored or dismissed as irrelevant. The Church does not replace Israel.

 

[cv5]

The reason for the end of the "AGE" tribulation Jesus speaks of in Mat 24 is judgement on a very specific group of people. The covenant breakers, the very ones that yelled "Crucify Him! We have no king but Caesar!", and worst of all, "His blood be on us and on our children!". The same even Jesus tells His disciples in Luke “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are inside the city depart, and let not those who are out in the country enter it, for these are days of vengeance, to fulfill all that is written. Alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! For there will be great distress upon the earth and wrath against this people. They will fall by the edge of the sword and be led captive among all nations, and Jerusalem will be trampled underfoot by the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled."

We also have historical accounts that this actually took place right before the temple was torn down brick off of brick exactly as Jesus said it would. It's honestly incredible how insanely His word lines up with history a nd glorifies our Creator and King Jesus.

That was the reason as I understand it.

Actually, Luke 21:12-24 is Jesus speaking to the 70AD destruction of Jerusalem. Let me emphasize.....verses 12 thru 24 ONLY!
Key markers being these two exacting parenthetical phrases:

Luk 21:12
But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

Luk 21:24
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

This short and sweet video lays it all out in graphic form.....

 

[selahsays]

What is the primary reason for the end-time Tribulation?

Could it be because it is time to bring in the Second Coming of Jesus Christ the Messiah? I’ll start in Luke:

And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias (Isaiah). And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

- Luke 4:17-21 (KJV)

So at His first coming, Jesus came to spread the message of repentance and to restore peace to troubled hearts and minds. He came to set captives free. The period of salvation and healing of Isaiah's prophecy ends with this last line of verse 19, but notice that this is not where Isaiah ends his prophecy. The next part of Isaiah’s prophecy deals with the days of vengeance of our Lord at His return.

The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

- Isaiah 61:1-3 (KJV)

Some folks may think this has already happened; but could this vengeance bit in Isaiah be end-time prophecy? Could this be what Luke 21 (the Olivet prophecy) is talking about?

For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled. And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

- Luke 21:22-28 (KJV)

 

[cv5]

Thread Topic

What is the primary reason for the end-time Tribulation?

My View

God wants to save as many souls as He can ------and so many unbelievers will come to Salvation during the Tribulation ----

Also God wants to keep His promise to Israel---who rejected His Son ------ that they are His first Chosen nation and He honors them and marks them to save and protect them to Go through the Tribulation unharmed ------- He honors His pledge to them -----the 144,000 are marked and saved -----these are the 12 tribes of Israel -----

The Tribulation is brought forth so God can rid this wicked earth of all evil ---anyone not receiving Jesus during this time will experience the 2nd death -separated spiritually -from God forever ---and will be put in the Lake of fire with Satan and his tribe -----

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There is also a phenomenon where once again, there is allowed direct interaction between the spiritual entities and the physical world of men after the Church age rapture when the tribulation begins.

Arguably, this spiritual interaction (both good and bad) was happening (many times in many forms and places) in the times before the Church age. Then was stopped during the Church age. Then will return with a vengeance at the 70th week of Daniel.

 

[cv5]

What is the primary reason for the end-time Tribulation?

Could it be because it is time to bring in the Second Coming of Jesus Christ the Messiah? I’ll start in Luke:

Undoubtedly. But the salvation of Israel is the centerpiece.

 

[Beckie]

Thread Topic

What is the primary reason for the end-time Tribulation?

My View

God wants to save as many souls as He can ------and so many unbelievers will come to Salvation during the Tribulation ----

Also God wants to keep His promise to Israel---who rejected His Son ------ that they are His first Chosen nation and He honors them and marks them to save and protect them to Go through the Tribulation unharmed ------- He honors His pledge to them -----the 144,000 are marked and saved -----these are the 12 tribes of Israel -----

The Tribulation is brought forth so God can rid this wicked earth of all evil ---anyone not receiving Jesus during this time will experience the 2nd death -separated spiritually -from God forever ---and will be put in the Lake of fire with Satan and his tribe -----

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God wants to save as many souls as He can?
What a weak god you speak of ... Our God spoke this universe into being. Who has all power in heaven and earth? The unsaved or God?

 

[Grace911]

What is the primary reason for the end-time Tribulation?

Because it is the DAY OF THE LORD and the Curses for Disobedience is being poured out on the disobedient (See Deuteronomy 28:15-68)

Isa_2:12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:

Isa_13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

Isa_13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Isa_34:8 For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

Jer_46:10 For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.

Lam_2:22 Thou hast called as in a solemn day my terrors round about, so that in the day of the LORD'S anger none escaped nor remained: those that I have swaddled and brought up hath mine enemy consumed.

Eze_13:5 Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD.

Eze_30:3 For the day is near, even the day of the LORD is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen.

Joe_1:15 Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.

Joe_2:1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

Joe_2:11 And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

Joe_2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.

Joe_3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.

Amo_5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.

Amo_5:20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?

Oba_1:15 For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.

Zep_1:7 Hold thy peace at the presence of the Lord GOD: for the day of the LORD is at hand: for the LORD hath prepared a sacrifice, he hath bid his guests.

Zep_1:8 And it shall come to pass in the day of the LORD'S sacrifice, that I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.

Zep_1:14 The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly.

Zep_1:18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD'S wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.

Zep_2:2 Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you.

Zep_2:3 Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger.

Zec_14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

Mal_4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

Act_2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:

1Co_5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

2Co_1:14 As also ye have acknowledged us in part, that we are your rejoicing, even as ye also are ours in the day of the Lord Jesus.

1Th_5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

2Pe_3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

 

[cv5]

God wants to save as many souls as He can?
What a weak god you speak of ... Our God spoke this universe into being. Who has all power in heaven and earth? The unsaved or God?

Choice and free will is the key element and factor. Which was created as an initial condition at the very beginning in the garden of Eden.....the two trees. The fallen angels chose to rebel. Men can and will do the same. People choose the lake of fire. Every day, day in and day out. This is why Jesus weeps. This is the reason for His agonies in the garden.

Jhn 3:19
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

 

[Radius]

the primary reason for the tribulation is to "wake up" Israel. That's why it's called the time of Jacob's trouble. God will cast many judgments onto the earth (and specifically Israel) until they wake up and call upon the Name of Jesus to rescue them.

 

[studentoftheword]

What a weak god you speak of ... Our God spoke this universe into being. Who has all power in heaven and earth? The unsaved or God?

I have no idea what your implying here -------God gave humans free will to choose to receive Jesus or to reject Jesus ----------

Your comment here ------What a weak god you speak of --------makes no sense to me ------giving humans a choice is what God did -----He didn't have to do that -----that does not make Him a weak God ------

The Tribulation is for unbelievers -----these are the people who rejected Jesus as their Saviour ------God is bringing devastation to this earth to wake the unbelievers up so they will hopefully come to their senses and realize that they need a Saviour so they can have eternal life -----and ----to rid the earth of all evil --------many --many ---will be drawn by God to have their hardened heart changed to a receptive heart to have the right faith inbirthed in them by hearing the gospel and will receive Jesus in their hearts during the Tribulation period but there will be still many who will refuse to accept God's offer of eternal life ------and these people will be eternally separated from God when judgment comes at the end of the tribulation period ------

What does any of this have to do with you thinking I speak of God weak God ???????????-------


Without God we are the ones who are Weak ------God says this

 

[Tall_Timbers]

The National repentance of Israel.

 

[Beckie]

I have no idea what your implying here -------God gave humans free will to choose to receive Jesus or to reject Jesus ----------

Your comment here ------What a weak god you speak of --------makes no sense to me ------giving humans a choice is what God did -----He didn't have to do that -----that does not make Him a weak God ------

The Tribulation is for unbelievers -----these are the people who rejected Jesus as their Saviour ------God is bringing devastation to this earth to wake the unbelievers up so they will hopefully come to their senses and realize that they need a Saviour so they can have eternal life -----and ----to rid the earth of all evil --------many --many ---will be drawn by God to have their hardened heart changed to a receptive heart to have the right faith inbirthed in them by hearing the gospel and will receive Jesus in their hearts during the Tribulation period but there will be still many who will refuse to accept God's offer of eternal life ------and these people will be eternally separated from God when judgment comes at the end of the tribulation period ------

What does any of this have to do with you thinking I speak of God weak God ???????????-------


Without God we are the ones who are Weak ------God says this

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I dont have the words to explain ...How can you not understand how that statement shows weakness? . Any more will derail the thread . That does not need to happen.

 

[studentoftheword]

I dont have the words to explain ...

No I would say you don't have the words to explain cause there is no words to explain your comment ----
Your confusion is showing

 

[Jimbone]

Actually, Luke 21:12-24 is Jesus speaking to the 70AD destruction of Jerusalem. Let me emphasize.....verses 12 thru 24 ONLY!
Key markers being these two exacting parenthetical phrases:

Luk 21:12
But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

Luk 21:24
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

This short and sweet video lays it all out in graphic form.....

This comment perfectly illustrates one of the most glaring problems I see with the pre-trib view, you have to add so much to "understand" what the text "really means". You have to break out the charts, videos, guru's and so much extra stuff to "show" people that this was what the scripture was supposed to mean. I'm going to watch it and will answer the points I may agree or disagree with in the video, (if it's not too long, I haven't looked yet) but I was taught all these things in church. I'd be surprised if it's an argument I haven't heard, but IMO ALL scripture as it is comes together SO much better in the post mil context. The historical viewpoint of the church up until the last few minutes when this pre mill thing popped up in very recent history.