What is this grace given meant to do for you?

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Is it, for you to take for granted and harm others ever?

Is it meant for you to receive through the risen Son from Father as a gift, new life in Father's Spirit and Truth John 4:23-24?

To do new and love all in mercy and truth over the few you have loved growing up in flesh nature first? trusting Father to relieve that and take it away, to not be worried over it anymore, not harming anyone else anymore.

Ask Father sincerely and be made new by Father for you, the same as Son revealed to us all in his perfect walk only dependent on Father the entire time? He is risen our time to let go of self and see deeply Gal 2:20 and Acts 17:28

Why is it we are working at it to do it, as is now done by Son for all, after the first Adam failed? Done reconciled for us all at the cross by Son doing that willingly? reconciled us all 2 Cor 5:17-20 then new life yet too be installed by Father for us all. Those that will not quit. see Col 1:21-23 for you too, thank you very much

Christ the second Adam never failed did he? Is he risen where Father gives us each new life in the same love and mercy as Son did once for us all? John 13:34
1 John 2:1-27, Hebrews 10, looking at verse 10, yet reading the entire Chapter for clarity
 
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There is a message many people love to hear today. It is called “the gospel of grace.” It sounds comforting. It says God forgives, God accepts, and nothing more is required. But we must ask one honest question: is this the same message Jesus preached?

Jesus did preach grace. He showed mercy again and again. He welcomed sinners, ate with them, and called them near. But every time He gave grace, He also called for change. When He met the woman caught in sin, He said,
“Neither do I condemn thee: go thy way; from henceforth sin no more.” (John 8:11, ASV)

Grace forgives, but it does not leave a person in sin.
Now we must understand something deeper. Grace did not begin when we believed. Grace began with God.
God saw the world in sin, and He did not leave us there. In His mercy, He sent His Son so that we might live.
Jesus did not come for His own comfort. He came to save. He knew the suffering that was ahead, yet He still came.
In the garden, He said, “Not my will, but thine, be done.” (Luke 22:42, ASV)

This is grace in its clearest form. Jesus gave His life for us. He suffered, He was rejected, and He died so that we could be brought back to God. This was not easy. This was not light. This was love that cost everything. So we can say this plainly: Jesus is grace made visible. But if grace cost Him everything, how can it mean nothing for us?
If He gave His life to free us from sin, how can we say we are free to remain in sin?
Grace is not permission. Grace is a rescue.

Look at another example. There was a tax collector named Zacchaeus. He was a dishonest man, taking more than he should. When Jesus came to him, He did not first give a long teaching. He simply came near to him. That is grace. But what happened next?
In Luke 19:8 (ASV), Zacchaeus says: “Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have wrongfully exacted aught of any man, I restore fourfold.” Grace touched his heart, and his life changed immediately. He did not say, “I believe,” and continue cheating people. He turned from his sin.
And Jesus answered, “Today is salvation come to this house.” (Luke 19:9, ASV)

Salvation came where there was both faith and a changed life. A man once came to Jesus asking about eternal life. Jesus did not say, “Just believe and you are done.” He said, “If thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17, ASV)

Grace does not remove obedience. It leads into it.

Jesus also gave a warning that many ignore.
In Matthew 7:21 (ASV):
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father.”
These are people who speak His name, but do not follow His ways.

And He asks in Luke 6:46 (ASV): “Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?”

This question reveals the truth. Words are not enough. Faith must be lived.
Jesus made it simple with a picture.

Two men built houses. One on rock, one on sand.
Both heard His words.
But only one obeyed.
The one who obeyed stood firm. The one who did not fell.
So the difference is not hearing. It is doing.

Think again about what many say today.

They say grace means no obedience.
They say nothing is required.
They say a changed life is not necessary.

But if that were true, why did Jesus call people to repent? Why did He command obedience? Why did He warn of judgment?
The truth is clear.

Grace calls you out of sin, not into comfort with sin.

Think of it this way.
A man is drowning, and someone jumps into the water to save him, at great cost. That is grace.
But once he is pulled out, will he jump back in and say, “I am safe no matter what”? No. If he understands what was done for him, he will stay out of the water.

Jesus did not suffer so we could stay the same.He suffered so we could be changed.

So what is the truth?

Grace begins with God’s love.
Grace is seen in Jesus giving His life.
Grace forgives.
Grace calls.
Grace transforms.

Faith is not just words. It is a life that follows Him. As He said,
“If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments.” (John 14:15, ASV)

Do not accept a weak message that leaves you unchanged. Do not hold to a grace that asks nothing from you.
Come to the grace that Jesus gives. The grace that lifts you, cleans you, and leads you into a new life.

Turn from sin. Walk in His ways. Follow Him with your whole life.

This is the grace that leads to life. this is what it means to me.
 
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Grace is God's unmerited favor in which He shows us mercy, kindness, and patience instead of the judgment that we deserve for sinning against Him. God's grace cannot be earned by our actions/performance/works.

Grace is based on the character of God and not on our sincerity, performance, or ability to keep the law. Otherwise, grace is no longer grace.

Romans 11:6, "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."

Galatians 2:21, "I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain."

2 Timothy 1:9, "who has saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity."

God's grace operates sovereignly in the lives of believers.

1 Corinthians 15:10 - But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove vain; but I labored even more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me.

2 Corinthians 1:12 - For our proud confidence is this: the testimony of our conscience, that in holiness and godly sincerity, not in fleshly wisdom but in the grace of God, we have conducted ourselves in the world, and especially toward you.

2 Corinthians 12:9 - And He has said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness." Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me.
 
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Is it, for you to take for granted and harm others ever?

Is it meant for you to receive through the risen Son from Father as a gift, new life in Father's Spirit and Truth John 4:23-24?

To do new and love all in mercy and truth over the few you have loved growing up in flesh nature first? trusting Father to relieve that and take it away, to not be worried over it anymore, not harming anyone else anymore.

Ask Father sincerely and be made new by Father for you, the same as Son revealed to us all in his perfect walk only dependent on Father the entire time? He is risen our time to let go of self and see deeply Gal 2:20 and Acts 17:28

Why is it we are working at it to do it, as is now done by Son for all, after the first Adam failed? Done reconciled for us all at the cross by Son doing that willingly? reconciled us all 2 Cor 5:17-20 then new life yet too be installed by Father for us all. Those that will not quit. see Col 1:21-23 for you too, thank you very much

Christ the second Adam never failed did he? Is he risen where Father gives us each new life in the same love and mercy as Son did once for us all? John 13:34
1 John 2:1-27, Hebrews 10, looking at verse 10, yet reading the entire Chapter for clarity

Grace means gift, referring to the gift of salvation from hell to heaven for those who exercise MFW to repent of evil ignorance and cooperate with God's plan of salvation, which is for sinners to become spiritually one with the righteousness of Christ via faith in Jesus as Messiah and Lord.
 
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is this the same message Jesus preached?

It is not the gospel Jesus preached. Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom for the nation of Israel. As Israel was not responding to this gospel, Jesus gave the gospel of grace to Paul for the gentiles.

The gospel of the kingdom will be preached again at the end of the tribulation and Israel will be much more receptive.

Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
 
is this the same message Jesus preached?

It is not the gospel Jesus preached. Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom for the nation of Israel. As Israel was not responding to this gospel, Jesus gave the gospel of grace to Paul for the gentiles.

The gospel of the kingdom will be preached again at the end of the tribulation and Israel will be much more receptive.

Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
There is only ONE gospel. Grace, Kingdom etc is just different emphasis.
 
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is this the same message Jesus preached?

It is not the gospel Jesus preached. Jesus preached the gospel of the kingdom for the nation of Israel. As Israel was not responding to this gospel, Jesus gave the gospel of grace to Paul for the gentiles.

The gospel of the kingdom will be preached again at the end of the tribulation and Israel will be much more receptive.

Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

The ministry of Messiah began as fulfillment of OT/Jewish prophecy,
but when most Jews rejected him as Messiah, he ended by including everyone in the KOH/Gospel
(Matt. 13:14-15, 23:37, John 10:16, Matt. 24:14, 28:19-20).
 
There is a message many people love to hear today. It is called “the gospel of grace.” It sounds comforting. It says God forgives, God accepts, and nothing more is required. But we must ask one honest question: is this the same message Jesus preached?

Jesus did preach grace. He showed mercy again and again. He welcomed sinners, ate with them, and called them near. But every time He gave grace, He also called for change. When He met the woman caught in sin, He said,
“Neither do I condemn thee: go thy way; from henceforth sin no more.” (John 8:11, ASV)

Grace forgives, but it does not leave a person in sin.
Now we must understand something deeper. Grace did not begin when we believed. Grace began with God.
God saw the world in sin, and He did not leave us there. In His mercy, He sent His Son so that we might live.
Jesus did not come for His own comfort. He came to save. He knew the suffering that was ahead, yet He still came.
In the garden, He said, “Not my will, but thine, be done.” (Luke 22:42, ASV)

This is grace in its clearest form. Jesus gave His life for us. He suffered, He was rejected, and He died so that we could be brought back to God. This was not easy. This was not light. This was love that cost everything. So we can say this plainly: Jesus is grace made visible. But if grace cost Him everything, how can it mean nothing for us?
If He gave His life to free us from sin, how can we say we are free to remain in sin?
Grace is not permission. Grace is a rescue.

Look at another example. There was a tax collector named Zacchaeus. He was a dishonest man, taking more than he should. When Jesus came to him, He did not first give a long teaching. He simply came near to him. That is grace. But what happened next?
In Luke 19:8 (ASV), Zacchaeus says: “Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor; and if I have wrongfully exacted aught of any man, I restore fourfold.” Grace touched his heart, and his life changed immediately. He did not say, “I believe,” and continue cheating people. He turned from his sin.
And Jesus answered, “Today is salvation come to this house.” (Luke 19:9, ASV)

Salvation came where there was both faith and a changed life. A man once came to Jesus asking about eternal life. Jesus did not say, “Just believe and you are done.” He said, “If thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17, ASV)

Grace does not remove obedience. It leads into it.

Jesus also gave a warning that many ignore.
In Matthew 7:21 (ASV):
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father.”
These are people who speak His name, but do not follow His ways.

And He asks in Luke 6:46 (ASV): “Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?”

This question reveals the truth. Words are not enough. Faith must be lived.
Jesus made it simple with a picture.

Two men built houses. One on rock, one on sand.
Both heard His words.
But only one obeyed.
The one who obeyed stood firm. The one who did not fell.
So the difference is not hearing. It is doing.

Think again about what many say today.

They say grace means no obedience.
They say nothing is required.
They say a changed life is not necessary.

But if that were true, why did Jesus call people to repent? Why did He command obedience? Why did He warn of judgment?
The truth is clear.

Grace calls you out of sin, not into comfort with sin.

Think of it this way.
A man is drowning, and someone jumps into the water to save him, at great cost. That is grace.
But once he is pulled out, will he jump back in and say, “I am safe no matter what”? No. If he understands what was done for him, he will stay out of the water.

Jesus did not suffer so we could stay the same.He suffered so we could be changed.

So what is the truth?

Grace begins with God’s love.
Grace is seen in Jesus giving His life.
Grace forgives.
Grace calls.
Grace transforms.

Faith is not just words. It is a life that follows Him. As He said,
“If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments.” (John 14:15, ASV)

Do not accept a weak message that leaves you unchanged. Do not hold to a grace that asks nothing from you.
Come to the grace that Jesus gives. The grace that lifts you, cleans you, and leads you into a new life.

Turn from sin. Walk in His ways. Follow Him with your whole life.

This is the grace that leads to life. this is what it means to me.
Well and beautifully said. Amen!
 
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