What Laws are still valid to christians

[just-me]

The flesh is against the law. Walk in the spirit and you will not do the works of the flesh which violate the law. Simple.

I would word it differently. Because the flesh cannot be subject to the law, causes a schism between God and that person. If the law is Spiritual and holy it helps us to walk in the Spirit if we are saved, knowing that we are not justified by the works thereof. Now that we both believe in Christ, we both know this truth. I don't think we are talking to unbelievers here, so how do we edify each other by quoting good and Spiritual things out of the Word? That question is rhetorical.
Romans 8:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Now if we look at the other side of this verse we can say the Spiritual mind is not enmity against God, and can be subject to the law because it's possible, not by the flesh or the physical, but by the Spirit.

Zechariah 4:2-6 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.

2 trees (Mount of Transfiguration - Moses and Elijah, Law and Prophets) and the lamp stand of the menorah in the center. This is the light standing on the right side of the mercy seat just outside of the Holy of Holies. The curtain of the temple was rent.

John 8:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

 

[weakness]

You must forgive me in that I have trouble following the continuity of some posts. The scripture clearly says the law is still in effect, but,as the law says if the husband of a woman dies she is free to marry another wherefore bretheren we also are become dead to the law through the body of Christ that we should be married to another ,even him who was raised from the dead. (Rom 7:3) (6) but now being delivered from the law,that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in the newness of the spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.(10) and the commandment which was ordained to life , I found to be unto death.(12) wherefor the the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just and good. Was that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin ,that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good: that sin by the commandment might become exceedingly sinful . Rom 8:7 says that the carnal mind is what is at enmity with God. But Praise God that we are not in the flesh ,but in the Spirit if the Spirit of God dwells within us. For we who believe have been baptized into the death of Christ , given his precious Spirit, and now walk not after the flesh ,but after the same Spirit which raised Christ from the dead,and as Christ works and walks within us, in love, we fullfil all the law, not only but even exceed it.But if we have not Christ we are none of this or his. Cor says we all have a measure of the gift of Christ given to us and this is what we should walk in. Christ in us is the hope of our glory. For he has been made all things for us who walk after the Spirit and not the flesh. For in our flesh dwells no good thing. But we have been crucified with Christ that we should walk in the newness of life ,fullfilling the law by love, and not in the oldness of the letter. Praise God for his great love wherein he has call us ..... his children

 

[just-me]

You conveniently omitted the context.

A verse without a context is a pretext, which is what we have here.

"You who are Gentiles by birth. . .who once were far away have been brought near (with the Jews) through the blood

of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who has made the two (Gentiles and Jews) one. . .His purpose was to create in

himself one new man (the body of Christ) out of the two (Gentiles and Jews), thus making peace. . ." (Eph 2:11-15).

The hostility was not between men and the law, as your added word "to" makes it.

It was between men, the Jews and the Gentiles, and created by the defilement laws which made the Gentiles unclean.

The law was the cause of the wall of separation and hostility between Jew and Gentile, not between itself and men.

That hostility and wall of separation was taken down by the cross, which made peace

1) between Jew and Gentile (v.15) by abolishing the law for righteousness to salvation, and

2) between both and God (v.16-17) by his death which forgives the sin of those who believe in him.

You have let your theology overrun the NT Scriptures.


I'd be interested to know what parts of Scripture I deny.


Well, to this point he has blessed me with the wisdom not to alter the purport of the NT Scriptures
by adding words which change their meaning.

Taking out the added words

Ephesians 2:11-15 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Wherefore remember, that ye in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
[SUP]12 [/SUP]That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition;
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, the law of commandments in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, making peace;

I thought you were saying that God abolished the law to make peace between the Gentiles and the Jews. Or maybe that's what you are trying to convey. I'm confused now for I read
Romans 10:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Now if the law is abolished I can love you any way I want to? Sorry. LOL. Jesus said to love each other the way He loves us. Now knowing Jesus didn't abolish the law, for good reason, then I will use the instructions of the law to know how to love you. Do I have that right? I'm a gentile, by the way, that loves a Jew and His Word.

Matthew 5:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Below are two directives about circumcision. One was written by Paul, the other by Moses.

Would those who claim that every commandment of GOD must be obeyed please answer this question for me? Which of these directives do you advocate obeying?

• Paul makes it very clear that if you are circumcised, you are cut off from Christ.

Behold, I, Paul, tell you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing! And again I testify to every man who becomes circumcised, that he is under obligation to keep the whole law. You are estranged from Christ, you who are attempting to be justified by the law; you have fallen from grace. Galatians 5:2-4​

• The law says that every male must be circumcised. GOD said that all of those who are not circumcised will be cut off from the people of GOD.

In the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. Leviticus 12:3

The uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant. Genesis 17:14​

 

[just-me]

Elin, I say enmity was abolished, but not by throwing out the law. Here is what you say is abolished in Ephesians.

Leviticus 19:11-18 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Deuteronomy 6:1-6 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:

Leviticus 19:34-37 (KJV)
[SUP]34 [/SUP]But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment, in meteyard, in weight, or in measure.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Just balances, just weights, a just ephah, and a just hin, shall ye have: I am the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt.
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Therefore shall ye observe all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: I am the LORD.

This last one was for the gentile in me. God bless. there is New Testament to back up the law that I could post, but I think we are both aware of those scriptures.

This reminds me when we went round and round about the sins of Nadab and Abihu. Remember that? You keep me on my toes.

 

[just-me]

Below are two directives about circumcision. One was written by Paul, the other by Moses.

Would those who claim that every commandment of GOD must be obeyed please answer this question for me? Which of these directives do you advocate obeying?

• Paul makes it very clear that if you are circumcised, you are cut off from Christ.

Behold, I, Paul, tell you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing! And again I testify to every man who becomes circumcised, that he is under obligation to keep the whole law. You are estranged from Christ, you who are attempting to be justified by the law; you have fallen from grace. Galatians 5:2-4​

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Wow! I was getting really scared for a while there, and ready to damn my parents. after all what would I have to lose if I were cut off from Christ. Then I read the scripture you posted and saw that it didn't make any difference spiritually. Thanks. Nevertheless, if that law had not been manifest in the flesh, and it had everything to do with conception, and now we are to circumcise the foreskin of our heart, we can work effectively to conceive newborns into the kingdom of God.

Wow, I just about forgot that what I said was the law and the prophets.

Deuteronomy 10:15-16 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
Jeremiah 4:3-4 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For thus saith the LORD to the men of Judah and Jerusalem, Break up your fallow ground, and sow not among thorns.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Wow! I was getting really scared for a while there, and ready to damn my parents. after all what would I have to lose if I were cut off from Christ. Then I read the scripture you posted and saw that it didn't make any difference spiritually. Thanks. Nevertheless, if that law had not been manifest in the flesh, and it had everything to do with conception, and now we are to circumcise the foreskin of our heart, we can work effectively to conceive newborns into the kingdom of God.

Wow, I just about forgot that what I said was the law and the prophets.

Deuteronomy 10:15-16 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
Jeremiah 4:3-4 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For thus saith the LORD to the men of Judah and Jerusalem, Break up your fallow ground, and sow not among thorns.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.

So are you saying the letter of the law can be disregarded? That is, we can ignore having to get circumcised in the flesh?

 

[Elin]

I would suggest looking at all of the covenants God made and see whether you think you have a part in it based on the same criteria you're using to exempt yourself from the Mosaic covenant. I think you'll find you're missing out on some heavy stuff.

The unconditional covenant of the land grant to Abram (Ge 15:9-21) has been fulfilled, with possession under Joshua (JOSH 21:43-45), and occupation under Solomon (1 Kigs 4:21, 24-25).

The conditional covenant with Abraham (Ge 17) as patriarchal head of his household to be his God and the God of his descendants if they remained faithful to the Lord ("As for me," v.4; "As for you," v.9), symbolized by circumcision, was broken (Isa 24:5).

The conditional Sinaitic covenant was temporarily added (Ro 5:20; Gal 4:19) to the Abrahamic covenant of Ge 17, was broken by the people (Jer 31:32), and an unconditional new covenant promised Jer 31:31-34.

The New Covenant was inaugurated with the death of Christ (Lk 22:20), who is the Mediator of the New Covenant (2Co 3:6; Heb 9:15), making the Sinaitic Covenant obsolete (Heb 8:13).

What heavy stuff are you referring to?

 

[just-me]

So are you saying the letter of the law can be disregarded? That is, we can ignore having to get circumcised in the flesh?

If we ignore it, the unlearned will not pick up that it is God's will to be circumcised in the heart. In other words, there is a procedure to follow with fleshly circumcision, and it’s more than a knife. There is a procedure to follow, and if we are to do it according to the commandment I posted, the Spirit of God can enlighten us in Spiritual parallel how to get it done. Jesus taught in parables (related to parallel) to cause people to understand the Spiritual side of stories and scenarios. In other words, take the parable of the sower and the seed. Without that teaching, we would not equate the seed to the Word, and the soil to our hearts. Physically, we know that the seed must die before germinating. We can relate that to Christ's crucifixion. So we can't ignore the law of circumcision. Without it there would be no relation to circumcising the heart - people would have no idea what it meant.

There are scores of examples in the laws, that are physical, and through the Spirit of God we can see the relation to the truth by the grace of Jesus Christ. I say that without the teaching of the Mosaic Law, believers are at a great disadvantage of understanding. I’ll present a scripture to further explain what I’m saying.

John 3:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
John 5:44-47 (KJV)
[SUP]44 [/SUP]How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Now I agree with you wholeheartedly that justification doesn’t come by the physical aspects of the law or the prophets. But if we love God, which is a commandment of the law, we are in serious trouble if we haven’t a heart to please Him by understanding the law as it should be understood. If we are teaching others to deny the law, we are making a grave mistake. Spiritually speaking, the Levitical part of the law, related to the sacrifice of Jesus, is extremely fascinating.

Matthew 5:17-20 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

The scribes and Pharisees added and subtracted from the truth of the law, as it is intended, and also justified themselves by the works of the law without Spiritual understanding. King David loved the law because he had the understanding that God gave him and was called a man after God’s own heart. Well I think you get what I’m saying.

 

[Elin]

I think you need to read lev 26. Which tells us what the mosaic covenant was given for. and what blessings and cursings would be given for not obeying.

I have no land promise. Only Isreal does. You also need to read galations.. which speaks of this very subject..

Actually, Israel also has no land promise.

The unconditional covenant of the land grant to Abram (Ge 15:9-21) has been fulfilled, with possession under Joshua (JOSH 21:43-45), and occupation under Solomon (1 Kgs 4:21, 24-25).

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

If we ignore it, the unlearned will not pick up that it is God's will to be circumcised in the heart. In other words, there is a procedure to follow with fleshly circumcision, and it’s more than a knife. There is a procedure to follow, and if we are to do it according to the commandment I posted, the Spirit of God can enlighten us in Spiritual parallel how to get it done. Jesus taught in parables (related to parallel) to cause people to understand the Spiritual side of stories and scenarios. In other words, take the parable of the sower and the seed. Without that teaching, we would not equate the seed to the Word, and the soil to our hearts. Physically, we know that the seed must die before germinating. We can relate that to Christ's crucifixion. So we can't ignore the law of circumcision. Without it there would be no relation to circumcising the heart - people would have no idea what it meant.

There are scores of examples in the laws, that are physical, and through the Spirit of God we can see the relation to the truth by the grace of Jesus Christ. I say that without the teaching of the Mosaic Law, believers are at a great disadvantage of understanding. I’ll present a scripture to further explain what I’m saying.

John 3:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
John 5:44-47 (KJV)
[SUP]44 [/SUP]How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Now I agree with you wholeheartedly that justification doesn’t come by the physical aspects of the law or the prophets. But if we love God, which is a commandment of the law, we are in serious trouble if we haven’t a heart to please Him by understanding the law as it should be understood. If we are teaching others to deny the law, we are making a grave mistake. Spiritually speaking, the Levitical part of the law, related to the sacrifice of Jesus, is extremely fascinating.

Matthew 5:17-20 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

The scribes and Pharisees added and subtracted from the truth of the law, as it is intended, and also justified themselves by the works of the law without Spiritual understanding. King David loved the law because he had the understanding that God gave him and was called a man after God’s own heart. Well I think you get what I’m saying.

So basically you are unable to make a direct yes or no statement about circumcision.

For what it's worth, no one thinks about circumcision when coming to Christ. They believe, repent, and are circumcised in the heart. They don't have a clue that physical circumcision foreshadowed this. You can't teach them to be circumcised in the heart because it's something that's already happened.

Just what was the purpose of your post?

 

[just-me]

HeRoseFromTheDead
One more thing that I forgot to mention. The law on possessing the Promised Land is likened unto possessing the place where God wants us to be, and how he wants us to serve His purpose. It's related to these scriptures. I see everything as related in the Word of God, and it’s a relevant for today.

Romans 8:36-37 (KJV)
[SUP]36 [/SUP]As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
Deuteronomy 3:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And I commanded you at that time, saying, The LORD your God hath given you this land to possess it: ye shall pass over armed before your brethren the children of Israel, all that are meet for

 

[just-me]

So basically you are unable to make a direct yes or no statement about circumcision.

For what it's worth, no one thinks about circumcision when coming to Christ. They believe, repent, and are circumcised in the heart. They don't have a clue that physical circumcision foreshadowed this. You can't teach them to be circumcised in the heart because it's something that's already happened.

Just what was the purpose of your post?

Looking at God's word, would you say He is not definitive? If you can't see what circumcision is to the believer, all I can say is that this conversation will go nowhere. Are you trying to convince me of something?

I thought I made it very clear that the physical act means nothing for justification. Let me ask you, if you didn't have the Old Testament to tell you to circumcise the foreskin of your heart would you say it was ok to be hard hearted? Invoke the Spiritual understanding please.

 

[just-me]

So basically you are unable to make a direct yes or no statement about circumcision.

For what it's worth, no one thinks about circumcision when coming to Christ. They believe, repent, and are circumcised in the heart. They don't have a clue that physical circumcision foreshadowed this. You can't teach them to be circumcised in the heart because it's something that's already happened.

Just what was the purpose of your post?

The purpose is for people to see that circumcision of the heart is law. The scriptures that I posted is out of Deuteronomy 10:15-16 It isn't only New Testament doctrine. it's Bible.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Actually, Israel also has no land promise.

The unconditional covenant of the land grant to Abram (Ge 15:9-21) has been fulfilled, with possession under Joshua (JOSH 21:43-45), and occupation under Solomon (1 Kgs 4:21, 24-25).

That is not true.

God did not say I promise to give you it all. then my Job is done. He said I give it to you forever. As an eternal possession.

Isreal is not in her land enjoying the promises now because of lev 26. But if they repented as the conditions of lev 26 demand, they would be returned.

To say it is already complete is dangerous. He promised us an eternal inheritance too. It would suck if he took that way now wouldn't it.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Looking at God's word, would you say He is not definitive? If you can't see what circumcision is to the believer, all I can say is that this conversation will go nowhere. Are you trying to convince me of something?.

He's very definitive. That's why I was hoping for a definitive answer to my question. It's Soteriology 101. Not a difficult thing to do. But apparently for people who have a love affair with the law, it is impossible to do.

Let me ask you, if you didn't have the Old Testament to tell you to circumcise the foreskin of your heart would you say it was ok to be hard hearted? Invoke the Spiritual understanding please.

This is a nonsensical statement to me. Why do you and others here think and talk like this? It makes absolutely no sense.

 

[MidniteWelder]

Actually, Israel also has no land promise.

Perhaps a Land speed record will help
That oughta put 'em back on the map

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Would it be right to say that to pay attention equally to the previous Word and the current Word would be right? I mean what we call the old and the new.

Only if we look at it and interpret it correctly.

The OT people who obeyed God and did his will. was it because they worried about following the law? or because they understood grace and kept their eyes on what God wanted them to do.

The people worried about obeying the law failed and continued to fail.

 

[Elin]

You consistently twist Shaul's words at every chance. There is only ONE writer in all the Scriptures that is being singled out as "hard to be understood" and that is Shaul,

Remembering that Peter, who "singled him out," also called the holy apostle Paul his dear brother,
who wrote with the wisdom God give him (2Pe 3:15).

I find it telling that people who follow these false doctrine, ALMOST exclusively quote Shaul and twist the meaning of his words. I know you think different, we agree to disagree?

Romans 8:6-8, "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; bitterly opposed to, Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

Only the Spiritually minded person can even subject themself to Yahweh's Law, PERIOD.

I want to point out that the words that are in italics are ADDED:

Ephesians 2:15-16, (NKJV), "having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. "

Not only odes the next verse tell us what was abolished, but when you remove the ADDED words the meaning changes.

Ephesians 2:15-16, "Abolishing the enmity to the Law, the Commandments, and the Ordinances, through His own flesh, in order to create in Himself one new man from the two; making peace, That would reconcile both in one body to Yahweh through the sacrifice--having killed the enmity through Himself."

enmity is:
Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

Feminine of G2190; hostility; by implication a reason for opposition:—enmity, hatred.

The oppisition to yahweh;s instructions was abolished,

Yeremyah 31:33, "After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; minds, and I will be their Father, and they will be My people."

It is impossible to have HIS LAW written on your heart if you are in oppisition (enmity) to it, so the ENMITY was abolished.

Romans 8:6-8, "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

Again:

"I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts"

Someone conveniently omitted the context.

A verse without a context is a pretext, which is what is presented here.

"You who are Gentiles by birth. . .who once were far away have been brought near (with the Jews) through the blood

of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who has made the two (Gentiles and Jews) one. . .His purpose was to create in

himself one new man (the body of Christ) out of the two (Gentiles and Jews), thus making peace. . ." (Eph 2:11-15).

The hostility was not to the law by men, as the added word "to" makes it.

It was between men, the Jews and the Gentiles, and created by the defilement laws which made the Gentiles unclean.

The law was the cause of the wall of separation and hostility between Jew and Gentile, not between men and itself.

That hostility and wall of separation was taken down by the cross, which made peace

1) between Jew and Gentile (v.15) by abolishing the law (as righteousness to salvation), and

2) between both and God (v.16-17) by his death which forgives the sin of those who believe in him,
giving them right standing (guilt removed, righteousness) before God.

Someone has let their theology overrun the NT Scriptures.

 

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That is not true.

God did not say I promise to give you it all. then my Job is done. He said I give it to you forever. As an eternal possession.

Isreal is not in her land enjoying the promises now because of lev 26. But if they repented as the conditions of lev 26 demand, they would be returned.

To say it is already complete is dangerous. He promised us an eternal inheritance too. It would suck if he took that way now wouldn't it.

GOD only unconditionally promised to give the land forever to 4 people: Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Christ. All others inhabited the land based solely on obedience.

The problem with your reasoning is that GOD would never bring them back to the land in unbelief and disobedience. Yet that is the state we currently find them in.