What Laws are still valid to christians

[Graybeard]

any Law/Commandments recorded in the NT are "valid" for Christians.
there is no shortage of them.

what about the ones in the O/T?

 

[homwardbound]

why am I trying to be the kind of person Yahweh wants all men to be, and listening and seeking to obey what Yahshua said?

because I am cleansed by the blood of Yahshua, lead by the Spirit of Yahweh, and love to do as Yahweh commands with great joy.

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, hhe will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Romans 7:12-14, "Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But
in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly
sinful. For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin."

Romans 8:5-8, "For those who live according to the flesh, set their minds on the things of the flesh; but those who live according to the Spirit, set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against; (bitterly opposed to), Yahweh; for it his not subject to the Law of Yahweh, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are of the flesh cannot please Yahweh."

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Revelation 14:12, "lIn this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

1 Kepha 1:13-21, "Therefore, gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the undeserved pardon that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Yahshua Messiah. As obedient children, do not conform to the former lusts you had when you lived in ignorance; But as He Who called you is holy, so you also become holy in all your conduct; Because it is written Be holy, for I am holy. And if you call on the Father, Who, without respect of persons judges according to each man's work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your sojourning here in reverence; Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, such as silver or gold, from your idolatrous way of life handed down to you by tradition from your forefathers; But with the precious blood of Messiah, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot; Who truly was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you; Who through Him we do believe in Yahweh, Who raised Him up from the dead, and gave Him glory; that your faith and hope might be in Yahweh."

2 Kepha 2:4-11, "For if Yahweh did not spare the malakim who asinned, but 1will cast
them into the abyss, delivering them into chains of darkness to be reserved for judgment; And did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of brighteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the unrighteous; those who were Lawbreakers; And condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, and in this way made them an example for those who afterward would live unrighteously; But delivered righteous Lot, who was deeply grieved by the filthy conduct of the wicked, For that righteous man, dwelling among them, was tortured in his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds--Yahweh knows how to deliver the righteous out of temptations; trials, and to reserve the unjust to the day of judgment to be punished; And especially those who walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise authority. Presumptuous and self-willed, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries, Whereas malakim, who are greater in power and might, do not bring a reviling accusation against them before Yahweh."

because I dont wish to insult the Spirit of mercey by continuing in sin

Yahchanan 5:14, "Afterward, Yahshua found him in the sacred precincts and said to him: Behold, you are healed. Sin no more, or a worse thing will come upon you."

1 Yahchanan 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Hebrews 10:26-30
"For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Those who rejected the Law given through Mosheh died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished, who has trampled the Son of Yahweh underfoot, and has counted the blood of the covenant (with which He was sanctified) an unholy thing, and who has insulted the Spirit of mercy? For we know Him Who has said: Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, says Yahweh. And again: Yahweh will judge His people."

Yahdah 1:4, "For there are certain men who have secretly crept in, who were before of old ordained for this condemnation,
unholy men, who turn the undeserved pardon of our One Supreme Savior Yahweh into licentiousness, and deny Yahshua our Messiah."

and quite frankly, I feel terrible when I sin, and want to walk in the way Yahweh wants me to.

so to be clear here are you saying you are under Law or as a result of God's amazing work, you desire to do as God leads you, and you see this as love God's way or not? Thanks for your honest answer in advance.

 

[zone]

what about the ones in the O/T?

if they apply, they are restated in the NT.

 

[Graybeard]

if they apply, they are restated in the NT.

Some are restated, but that cannot mean that because it was not restated means that it applies no more, not sure but wasn't it John who said that there were many things Jesus said/did that are not written down because all the books in the world would not be able to contain them?.......and this puzzles me, most Christians believe that Jesus is God, God gave the Commandments and Laws in the O/T, so why would they not apply now?

 

[homwardbound]

i agree but yu leve out a key part, guided by the Spirit of Yahweh to no longer live in sin, but walk in Yahweh's ways!

No I think you missed that I did include the Holy Ghost of God. and Thanks and not that it matters but I enlarged that part of the quote, anyway, thanks, cause yes I surely do not ever intend to miss that part of the truth, where new life is at here and now through the resurrection

Originally Posted by homwardbound Even though the Law is not condemned and flesh is, that is done through the death, burial, resurrection and ascension of Christ were we are by belief dead to flesh sin that is weak, through the death, then alive through the resurrection and secured in the reception of the Holy Ghost, this is true is it not?

 

[Elin]

Amen, What he abolished is the penalty which was required for ALL who disobeyed the law (spiritual death). . .That is the wall which was abolished.

Actually the penalty was the burden of Col 2:14.

In Eph 2:15, it was the regulations of food, defilement and cleansings (the law with its commands
and regulations) that caused hostility between, and separated, the Jew and the Gentile with a wall
of partition.

Those regulations were abolished on the cross, which accomplished two things:

1) peace between Jew and Gentile, by abolishing the regulations which were the cause
of their hostility, and

2) peace between both of them and God, by removing the sin (the cause of the enmity--Ro 5:10),
of those who have faith in the blood of Christ (Ro 3:25).

In Eph 2:15, the hostility and wall of partition were "the law with its commands and regulations,"
not the penalty.

I think Paul said it best.

col. 2 : 8 - 19 - Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he made alive together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

That's Col 2:8-14.

the barrier, or wall which was between us

That's Eph 2:14.

Are you bootstrapping "the law with its commands and regulations" of Eph
to the "written code (penalty) that was against us" of Col
in order to make the penalty (written code) of Col abolished instead of
the "law with its commandments and regulations" of Eph abolished, as the text states?

Nah, you wouldn't do that. . .right?

 

[zone]

Some are restated, but that cannot mean that because it was not restated means that it applies no more, not sure but wasn't it John who said that there were many things Jesus said/did that are not written down because all the books in the world would not be able to contain them?.......and this puzzles me, most Christians believe that Jesus is God, God gave the Commandments and Laws in the O/T, so why would they not apply now?

if all the books in the world couldn't contain them...how much 'UNDER THE LAW' do you want to be?

are you under the Mosaic Covenant?

Galatians 4
Sons and Heirs
1I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no different from a slave,a though he is the owner of everything, 2but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by his father. 3In the same way we also, when we were children, were enslaved to the elementary principlesb of the world. 4But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.

Example of Hagar and Sarah
21Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia;e she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. 27For it is written,

“Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear;
break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor!
For the children of the desolate one will be more
than those of the one who has a husband.”

28Now you,f brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now. 30But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” 31So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman

 

[Hizikyah]

so to be clear here are you saying you are under Law or as a result of God's amazing work, you desire to do as God leads you, and you see this as love God's way or not? Thanks for your honest answer in advance.

"under Law" is viewed differently by different people, but that is not important now.

I have been cleansed by the blood of Yahshua and can now be guided by the Spirit of Yahweh to do His will, Yahweh has left perfect Laws that give me a guide me to liberty from evil, I use this in conjuction with Spiritual guidance, to make sure anothjer Spirit doesnt trick me or my own desire dont get into the way.

so I believe all followers of Yahweh should take Yahweh;s Laws to themseleves, I dont bel;ieve any will be rejected for simply sinning, but i do believe some will be rejected for not even subjecting themselves the Yahweh;s Law. By the mouth of Yahshua this is FACT:

Mattithyah 7:21, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:

#0458 ἀνομία anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

 

[homwardbound]

One is forgiven if one is repentant.
Repentance is possible only in those who are born again.

If one is not repentant, one's faith is counterfeit.

if one says they believe and do not, that is what is counterfeit. true repentance before god is to change one's mind from unbelief to belief in god, thanking god for the forgiveness God as supplied to them through the Son and then seeks from God, not man, the truth that sets them free to be whole again.

[h=3]Hebrews 8:11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]and they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

 

[just-me]

If I may, addressing all who frequent this thread, and hopefully not assisting conflict, how would a person reconcile these three verses.

Leviticus 2:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And every oblation of thy meat offering shalt thou season with salt; neither shalt thou suffer the salt of the covenant of thy God to be lacking from thy meat offering: with all thine offerings thou shalt offer salt.

Mark 9:49-50 (KJV)
[SUP]49 [/SUP]For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.
[SUP]50 [/SUP]Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.

Romans 12:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

 

[homwardbound]

Acts 3:19, "Repent therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out; that times of refreshing may come from the presence of Yahweh."

Yes, change one's mind and believe, then receive from Father and see what Christ has done by going to the cross, that he never once needed to go to.

 

[zone]

If I may, addressing all who frequent this thread, and hopefully not assisting conflict, how would a person reconcile these three verses.

Leviticus 2:13 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And every oblation of thy meat offering shalt thou season with salt; neither shalt thou suffer the salt of the covenant of thy God to be lacking from thy meat offering: with all thine offerings thou shalt offer salt.

Mark 9:49-50 (KJV)
[SUP]49 [/SUP]For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.
[SUP]50 [/SUP]Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.

Romans 12:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

Leviticus: Seedbed of NT Theology

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/57882-leviticus-seedbed-nt-theology.html

 

[just-me]

I forgot one more scripture sorry

2 Chronicles 13:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Ought ye not to know that the LORD God of Israel gave the kingdom over Israel to David for ever, even to him and to his sons by a covenant of salt?

 

[jesusmyhomie]

Yea buddy that's awesome.. n yea ovcor.c Paul is we all one in Christ, we are at liberty

 

[Graybeard]

if all the books in the world couldn't contain them...how much 'UNDER THE LAW' do you want to be?

It is not that I want to be under the Law.....it is about following what Jesus said we must do...and He said that we are to follow His Commandments...so what are his Commandments?...that is what I am trying to establish for myself. Jesus said this a few times and it is repeated numerous times throughout the N/T that we are to keep His commandments, what exactly are they?...was it the Ten Commandments only?
we are told in 2Ti_3:16 that All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, now we know that the Scripture Timothy was talking about was The Torah because that was The Scripture of the day as the N/T was not written yet, so surly Jesus's Commandments are in the O/T too?

 

[homwardbound]

Belief responds in obedience.

But this side of the grave, our obedience will not be perfect.

maybe or maybe not, I know this for sure, that if I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I am dead to my flesh through the death of Christ, I am more unlikely to sin and walk in the flesh that sins, being too busy in the Spirit of God praising and thanking God, where no sin can ever possibly occur andif we all do this daily as in dying daily to self, we might not walk back in the flesh
[h=3]Philippians 3:10-11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
[SUP]11 [/SUP]if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

So I as Paul put no confidence:
Philippians 3:3
For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

 

[Josh321]

Philippians 3:9 - And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Any righteousness which comes via the law, From a person who is saved or not. Is ones OWN righteounsess. It is not the righteousness of God. because it is from self. not God.

This scripture alone should make them think and examine themselves.. but they don't want to do that, i just don't understand man.. it's like the word of God is no effect to them

 

[Elin]

you are ignoring part of the Scripture.

Mattithyah 5:17, "Do not even think that I have come to destroy the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to destroy them, but to fulfill."

No, I am dealing with the words of Mt 5:18, and not handling them loosely.

Mt 5:18 - "will my any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

The Law has been accomplished by and in Christ Jesus, and so has been set aside (Heb 7:18-19),
along with the Levitical priesthood (Heb 7:12) on which it was based (Heb 7:11)
the Sinaitic (Old) Covenant (Heb 8:13) which was based on it,
the sacrifices, etc.

Also He said twice He did not come to DESTIORY, since when is fulfill mean do away?

When Christ links the fulfillment of it with the doing away of it.

I came to be righteos so you could use it as a excuse to sin! NO!

Is all righteousness done away?

Strawman.

 

[just-me]

Leviticus: Seedbed of NT Theology

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/57882-leviticus-seedbed-nt-theology.html

Thank you. do you have anything on how the Levitical priesthood understood it? Hope that question is clear. If not let me know.

 

[Josh321]

maybe i'm just being misunderstood, hizikyah what do you think i'm saying? or what do you understand from my explaination