I just know a lot of alcoholics and addicts in recovery. One caught me totally off guard when they made a comment about having achieved 15 years of recovery. My comment was that I thought they should be closer to 30 years and they said I was right, but that they had had a very bad weekend about 15 years before and had to start all over again. Until God totally heals me, I am a sinner with a sinful nature who tries to avoid committing any more sins, but reliant of God's forgiveness as I keep slipping up despite my best efforts.
What REALLY is Faith That Scripture Upholds?
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Well Paul is giving us the perfect understanding of this when he says it's not me doing it but sin dwelling in me doing it.
The fact that you as a temple of the Holy Spirit is still trying not to sin really doesn't change that fact. You could and probably should be trying not to sin, but when you fail, or sin inside you wins, your still sanctified either way. It's not based on whether we understand it correctly.
And of course this is all based on our faith to be in Christ in the first place. If we aren't continually surrendering ourselves to Him and living a life inspired by such surrender, we're waisting our time even talking about it.
So you either cannot or refuse to understand plain English ("I agree God is free to grace salvation to whomever He wills")?!
Yes, whenever you accuse me of saying something wrong, please quote my entire statement.
Don't prooftext me like you do GW.
The rest of what I said was "which is every sinner per 1Tim. 2:3-4, IF they repent/seek/will to cooperate."
So, refute that!
I am glad you realize that you cannot refute my statement ("God is free to grace salvation to whomever He wills,
which is every sinner per 1Tim. 2:3-4, IF they repent/seek/will to cooperate").
BTW, regarding my suspicion that you were brain-washed by RC to believe in transubstantiation,
please realize that I confess being brain-washed by my SBC upbringing to believe in perseverance.
As I read the Bible seeking answers to various questions, I learned that the P in TULIP contradicts GW,
so I changed my belief to agree with God rather than kick against that goad, just as I hope God will free you to do.
More evidence you people don't listen. I didn't say I can't refute it I said I don't need to refute it. Id ask you if you can see the difference but why? It's painfully obvious you can't.
This is the problem with supposed "bible believing" Christians, they work on assumptions not facts. The RC is either right or it's wrong. You think jesus is speaking metaphorically which mean you, can't read, can't read well or just don't care what Jesus actually said you prefer assumptions.
Well, then I am glad you do not feel a need to refute it, logically I assume because you realize it is true.
Moving on, you now need to quote me saying that the RC is either right or wrong.
I know several American RCs who agree with us Bible-believers that papalism is wrong.
I have cited passages of Scripture indicating that Jesus spoke metaphorically when referring to flesh and blood--
meaning His body that was crucified as the atonement for humanity's sins.
That's a good video.
On the one hand I'm a bit surprised to see you post it because it's very much against the topic of works I see you post about.
On the hand I'm not surprised to see you post it because it opposes the "Western" mind I keep see you differentiate yourself from that seems to tie to a desire to elevate your nationality.
When Paul taught about pisteuo, as I've posted many times, he speaks as he did in Rom10:16 where he parallels faith and obedience in a sense that they are virtually one and the same. This is because he as a Jew understood what the video speaks of - to the knowledgeable Jew a concept of faith in God apart from obeying God was unheard of. The writer of Hebrews does the same, as does Jesus, as does John...
When James taught about faith in James2:17 he speaks of works being integral to faith - they are a part of faith - so there's ultimately and really no such thing as having faith in God and not doing the works He wills.
The writings we have in Greek are God's integrating Hebrew understandings into Greek culture. All one has to do is to let God's Word speak for itself/Himself and these truths can be received by the western mind and frankly can be taught from the Hebrew mind to the Greek mind which can be taught back to the Hebrew mind that does not understand them or has rejected them.
Welcome to the global Ekklesia of Jesus Christ.
Reconsider your thinking about what constitutes 'works salvation' - this video is full of what some may call 'synergism' where the believer does in fact practice responsive covenant loyalty in return for God's initiating faithfulness and love - which many of us to understand to include His perfect loyalty. Many of you are calling this 'works salvation'.
I'll bet you liked that the video mentioned "surrender".
Did you note how many other words and concepts he spoke of?
It would be nice if you could get others to understand this.
I've had many back & forth sessions with @Musicmaster about his false dichotomies - his either / or - vs. both / and - and even a 3rd option which may be beyond the simplistic A & B understandings.
I wish you better success than I've had.
Communication is a funny thing. It's not always accurate to assume that if the receiver isn't get the message that the problem is automatically with the sender.
Id imagine that for the faith only people it would be hard to come to terms with the fact that what they believe just isn't true.
Thank you. Keep up the good fight
You would dispel my confusion if you addressed the next misquote:
"The problem with supposed bible believing Christians is that they work on assumptions not facts,
such as the RC is either right or it's wrong."
I replied by saying that you now need to quote me saying that the RC is either right or wrong.
I know several American RCs who agree with us Bible-believers that papalism is wrong.
BTW, I also did not suggest that the SBC is all wrong just because it has the wrong view of the P in TULIP.
Maybe you'll dream up an answer to why Jesus would ask people if his message shocks them if he was speaking metaphorically. Why would anyone be shocked by someone speaking metaphorically?
studier, you know how much I love you right now?
I'm kind speechless. I never thought I would feel this way when I heard something like that again.
I recognize the word from his teachings.
He always said the Hebrew had only two words for faith, both pictorial.
1) the running to the shelter of a mother birds wings. Emphasis on the continued running.
2) The leaning on a staff with all your weight behind it. Emphasis on the all the Weight put in a state of trust on the staff.
I remember the word Amenu from all his teachings. But the AI kept misspelling it. It's Emunah.
Please don't tell me that came from an AI.
Who wrote that!