What role do male Gentile believers play with regards to the 144,000 spoken about in Revelation?

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I personally don't know if I am a Jew or Gentile, when I read Revelation though it seems it speaks of 144,000 men who are Jews being sealed I presume as the men who are saved from the world, though in Paul's writing I think it might speak of the full number of the Gentiles coming in, so if this is true then I assume there may be Gentile men or women who are believers (of course). James' first Epistle speaks of an elect woman so there must be women who are believers too (sorry for writing that). I suppose I'm looking for any insight anybody might have into this number of individuals or the role Gentile believers play with this number as it's presented in Revelation. Like are there more believers that are Gentiles than Jews, or are there more Jews than Gentiles? I don't really understand it and how it coincides with there being male Gentile believers since the writing is so abrupt about what it says.

As an aside, is someone a Jew if they have one ancestor on their mother or father's side that is a Jew?
 
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I personally don't know if I am a Jew or Gentile, when I read Revelation though it seems it speaks of 144,000 men who are Jews being sealed I presume as the men who are saved from the world, though in Paul's writing I think it might speak of the full number of the Gentiles coming in, so if this is true then I assume there may be Gentile men or women who are believers (of course). James' first Epistle speaks of an elect woman so there must be women who are believers too (sorry for writing that). I suppose I'm looking for any insight anybody might have into this number of individuals or the role Gentile believers play with this number as it's presented in Revelation. Like are there more believers that are Gentiles than Jews, or are there more Jews than Gentiles? I don't really understand it and how it coincides with there being male Gentile believers since the writing is so abrupt about what it says.

As an aside, is someone a Jew if they have one ancestor on their mother or father's side that is a Jew?
Whoops, it occurred to me that if someone has one ancestor that is a Jew you would be a Jew all the way.
 

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Galatians 3:26-28 ~ You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
 

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I personally don't know if I am a Jew or Gentile, when I read Revelation though it seems it speaks of 144,000 men who are Jews being sealed I presume as the men who are saved from the world, though in Paul's writing I think it might speak of the full number of the Gentiles coming in, so if this is true then I assume there may be Gentile men or women who are believers (of course). James' first Epistle speaks of an elect woman so there must be women who are believers too (sorry for writing that). I suppose I'm looking for any insight anybody might have into this number of individuals or the role Gentile believers play with this number as it's presented in Revelation. Like are there more believers that are Gentiles than Jews, or are there more Jews than Gentiles? I don't really understand it and how it coincides with there being male Gentile believers since the writing is so abrupt about what it says.

As an aside, is someone a Jew if they have one ancestor on their mother or father's side that is a Jew?
The 144,000 are from the twelve tribes 12,000 per tribe, as it literally states that
What I see from that. The enemies of, God Father and Son who Won once for us all to be able to be given new life in God's Spirit and Truth, this age of grace now in place, until
When the Anti-christ rises and takes over and war begins. People here then, still have the chance to stand in belief to God through Risen Son for them as reconciled, who then willingly ask for the new life and are willing to go through adversities here first.
To not take the Mark of 666 known as the mark of the beast
There, will be people, beheaded as have been already for not denying God in Son for them
Those 144,000 will be here to prepare the people to be able to willingly die, the same as Son has already done once for us all.


those here, then will not be able to buy or eat anything unless take the mark of the beast
Preparation from the 144,000. Prepares me, if by any chance I am here then. To see this
I am tied up and told by the people that got me tied up to deny God in Christ. Take the mark and I can eat and be free.
Really???????????????????? Not, no way, yet being of flesh that will not be easy
Time to say, I am not hungry, I have food you not know of. That is what Christ said to those disciples when they asked him to sit and eat, right before his crucifixion
Can we stand? I do not know who will and who will not stand, yet there it is God still being fair with every chance for everyone to believe God in risen Son for them and see to go willingly to death and be free for eternity, no more pain, no more sickness. Wow, woe is me. Thanking God, who I know, trust, believe will come through for me and all mothers in belief too, thank you
Believe, receive and see, and become willing for anything
That be what Son the Christ did, going to that cross with the "Art of Fighting without Fighting"

Another scenario. they got you tied up, and got your wife and kids tied up too, hangin over a burning oil pit. they say if you do not deny God, then we let them drop in that burning oil pit.
What to be prepared for and say
Go ahead, hey kids and honey, I will see you when they kill me too, time to settle it I believe and I know you do too.
When the day comes, will you, I and others willingly go? That be between God and you, putting God first above everything and everyone else first
Your choice, I made mine, and God knows
Believe, no matter how long it might take to see, and you will see, as all do that do nato deny God all in all