What type of church would you rather attend?
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Personal relationships are very important to me in a home church, but I also would like so much one that sees the unity of all scripture, both OT and NT. I would like them to see God as an eternal triune God who never changes, who was from the beginning to now with the same plan for our salvation. I’d like them to see Christ in the OT, and the OT God in the NT and say it is all scripture we are to understand. I would like one free of all the “isms” of bible interpretation that is men’s ideas so only God’s entire word is heard.
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Beloved57
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I almost totally agree, except for the fact that I'm not into the pre-trib rapture.
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Alinka
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shininglight
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I prefer any Church that teaches the Word of God regardless of the size or setting of the Church. I pretty much consider myself non-denominational.
(Eph 2) and (Col 2) will pretty much tell any believer what kind of church God has raised up and the kind of doctrine that is being taught in the body of Christ. If any study those two chapters and commit them to God and to their heart, the Holy Spirit will guide and reveal to them the mystery of Christ and the church and how they are to be knit together with other believers in the love of God (Eph 5:30,32).
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SoldatChristi
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I voted for others because you can't really define what church fits you or anything. It's more about learning to mix and fellowship with anyone in the body of Christ, irrespective of style of worship or the way things are done.
I believe the message being taught is far more important than where you meet, its hard to find any organized church today actually preaching the truth and calling the lost out of sin and disobedience, today the church is all about fun and games, they resemble more of a glorified country club, than the house of God, where they do all they can to not offend anyone with the truth!
If they are preaching the truth at all cost, then it doesnt matter if you meet in a barn or an open field, but the bottom line is, are they preaching a message that is cutting sinners to the heart?
When they heard these things they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed at him with their teeth. Acts7:54
Nothing is more Certain than False Teaching that will engender FALSE Assurance! The Manner in which the Gospel of Jesus Christ is being preached today should bring tears to the eyes of any genuine Saint who gave their all to reach the masses. In the Book of Acts we see the Apostles facing furious crowds, bent on their destruction as they convicted the world around them of sin, righteousness and Judgment. They Warned the People to flee God’s awful Wrath, PROVE their Repentance by their Deeds and Continue Steadfast in the Faith!
God Forbid they allowed anyone in earshot to ‘assume’ they were Right with God while still in their sins. Collectively they had Murdered the Lord Jesus Christ and stool guilty before a Holy God! The Magnitude of their Crime was brought to bear upon their hearts and Minds in such a way that it exposed the wickedness within. The reaction was Anger, Fear and deep contrition! No one walked away feeling warm and fuzzy inside about Jesus Loving them no matter what they did.
HOW FAR removed is any of this from the Church System today. The average petitioner would be shocked to his very core if someone told him he had to STOP sinning and get right with God or Suffer indignation and Wrath! (Rom2:7-8) or that God is going to Judge him WITHOUT Partiality According to his WORKS of faith! (1Pet1:15-17) Can anyone imagine a Church Pastor preaching to the people in such manner as to incite them to riot? THINK of a preacher saying things that so upset the Religious establishment that they would have you arrested and thrown into prison.
THIS was common place for the Apostles as they went about the country side warning, rebuking sin and exposing the false teachers. They were anything but the SISSIES who occupy Modern Day pulpits fearful, of their own shadows. People in the churches today walk around in thick heavy fog of delusion not the least bit concerned about conviction of sin. That’s taken care of in ADVANCE! They have been Pre-forgiven and Substituted Perfect in God’s site! They can remain Double Minded, Divided in heart and Serving two Masters and STILL inherit the Kingdom! The LAST thing on anyone’s mind is their personal Conduct and Responsibility before God to remain Pure. There’s not a Preacher alive anywhere on Earth who would cause anyone to feel ‘uncomfortable’ in their sins.
WHY is the so-called Christian Message MOCKED in the World and on the streets today? (It Wasn’t in the times of the Apostles!) We don’t see homosexuals, drunks, fornicators and lairs in the Book of Acts casting dispersions on the Preachers and insisting that God loves them in their sins. Today sinners BOLDLY Flaunt their wickedness in the face of God, PROUD of it and approving of others who imitate their behavior. They laugh the Repentance Message to scorn count God’s longsuffering and patient kindness to Judge them as His Approval! (Rom2:4-5)
Rather than exposing the Multitude of False teachers and preachers (in the church systems) who told everyone God will save them in their sins, the consensus remains centered around the same Lies that brought us to this mess to begin with! Amid all the formulas, methods and evangelical outreach efforts, NOTHING is accomplished. The people are Still given false hopes that somehow they are going to make it into the Kingdom despite their iniquity. The Strongholds of Lies have barely been assaulted, so FEW are His True labors in the Vineyards. The Contrast between true and error is so VIVID! The Apostle Paul is shown Pleading with the people of Ephesus for THREE Years, night and day with tears, Warning them about false teachers, savage wolves who would distort the Grace message and overthrow the faith of many! Building them up in the faith, exhorting them to Stand fast in the Lord and never give in, with all urgency and diligence to keep the Message pure and undefiled.
The Blessed Apostle John Warned constantly about the ‘Spirit of Error’, or ‘anti-Christ’, as he called it. At work in the sons of disobedience who would not Continue in the Pure Doctrine of the Lord Jesus Christ. TEST the Sprits! He told his disciples. If what they were teaching did not fall in line with the wholesome words of Christ and the Doctrine which is According to Godliness, REJECT it! Peter admonished us in his final Epistle to be diligent to be found by Him Blameless, without Spot and in Peace. Least we fall from our won Steadfastness, being led away into the ERROR OF THE WICKED! HOW can we Disregard these things in light of a society crumbling at its foundations? Is it because the Churches are a Glitter land of Vain amusements? Decked out with everything the world has to offer in a Candy coating of sweetness! Can ANYONE tell the Difference between TRUTH and FICTION anymore?
The Apostles were INNOCENT of the Blood of all men! They DID NOT try to Appease the Masses by Soft peddling the Gospel Message to the Masses, no matter what the consequences. They Demanded a Real Repentance and Faith PROVEN by DEEDS! Converts were brought from Darkness to Light, from the Power of Satan to GOD! NO ONE defended sin or argued in favor of Carnal Christianity. The was no Army of False Teachers among the people telling them they were born sinful, hating God and remained the ‘CHIEF’ of Sinners even as a Christian!
Personal Responsibility and Free Will were a GIVEN in ancient Preaching. The Fundamental Principle of the Gospel was OBEDIENCE from the Heart! Those who Commit Sin are SLAVES to Sin. In Christ the Old Man of sin is Crucified, Dead, Done away with and NEWNESS of life has Come! The Purpose of the Gospel Message is to SAVE Men from the Corrupting Influence of Sin! NOT Cover their Transgressions with some kind of Pre-forgiveness of sin and Moral Transfer of virtue.
Today they Preach MYTHS and the People bask in the Lies. The Spirit of error has descended over the land. The ‘Light’ in you is Really DARKNESS and How GREAT is t hat darkness! The Modern Evangelical Churches have become the Wizard of OZ, Leading people down the Yellow Brick Road of Deception! NO ONE is Convicted of ANYTHING. Jesus is Merely a Fairy Tale Promising everyone the happily ever after. The Gospel is a Pageant that Glitters like a Hollywood Movie set and the Preachers Perform their art in living Color.
Most heartrending of all is the PEOPLE genuinely Believe they are SAVED and Going to heaven with Jesus when they Die! Like Naïve children they flock to these churches to hear the fables, thinking that God is well pleased with their nominal devotions and remains BLIND to their sins! But amid the Dinners and fund raisers and all the good time entertainments the Dark Clouds of Judgment are Pending. God is Not Slack Concerning His Promise, as men count slackness. His WORD can Still Cut to the heart and bring about a Real Repentance that can save the soul from the corrupting influence of sin. FEW have ears to hear however and time is running out. Ultimately everyone will stand face to face with God and the fairy tales will cease. You Won’t be traveling Over the Rainbow to La La Land!
Preaches today are RED with the Blood of Millions of Souls. They have Defrauded the entire world with a False Gospel of Lies. You MUST apply the Word Directly to the Conscience Mind so it will cut to the heart. Man is guilty of Crucifying the Lord of Glory in his sin. He Must Flee God’s Wrath or Perish in his darkness. Abandon the Lies and Preach True Repentance. www.standingthegap.org
If they are preaching the truth at all cost, then it doesnt matter if you meet in a barn or an open field, but the bottom line is, are they preaching a message that is cutting sinners to the heart?
Cut to the Heart!
When they heard these things they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed at him with their teeth. Acts7:54
Nothing is more Certain than False Teaching that will engender FALSE Assurance! The Manner in which the Gospel of Jesus Christ is being preached today should bring tears to the eyes of any genuine Saint who gave their all to reach the masses. In the Book of Acts we see the Apostles facing furious crowds, bent on their destruction as they convicted the world around them of sin, righteousness and Judgment. They Warned the People to flee God’s awful Wrath, PROVE their Repentance by their Deeds and Continue Steadfast in the Faith!
God Forbid they allowed anyone in earshot to ‘assume’ they were Right with God while still in their sins. Collectively they had Murdered the Lord Jesus Christ and stool guilty before a Holy God! The Magnitude of their Crime was brought to bear upon their hearts and Minds in such a way that it exposed the wickedness within. The reaction was Anger, Fear and deep contrition! No one walked away feeling warm and fuzzy inside about Jesus Loving them no matter what they did.
HOW FAR removed is any of this from the Church System today. The average petitioner would be shocked to his very core if someone told him he had to STOP sinning and get right with God or Suffer indignation and Wrath! (Rom2:7-8) or that God is going to Judge him WITHOUT Partiality According to his WORKS of faith! (1Pet1:15-17) Can anyone imagine a Church Pastor preaching to the people in such manner as to incite them to riot? THINK of a preacher saying things that so upset the Religious establishment that they would have you arrested and thrown into prison.
THIS was common place for the Apostles as they went about the country side warning, rebuking sin and exposing the false teachers. They were anything but the SISSIES who occupy Modern Day pulpits fearful, of their own shadows. People in the churches today walk around in thick heavy fog of delusion not the least bit concerned about conviction of sin. That’s taken care of in ADVANCE! They have been Pre-forgiven and Substituted Perfect in God’s site! They can remain Double Minded, Divided in heart and Serving two Masters and STILL inherit the Kingdom! The LAST thing on anyone’s mind is their personal Conduct and Responsibility before God to remain Pure. There’s not a Preacher alive anywhere on Earth who would cause anyone to feel ‘uncomfortable’ in their sins.
WHY is the so-called Christian Message MOCKED in the World and on the streets today? (It Wasn’t in the times of the Apostles!) We don’t see homosexuals, drunks, fornicators and lairs in the Book of Acts casting dispersions on the Preachers and insisting that God loves them in their sins. Today sinners BOLDLY Flaunt their wickedness in the face of God, PROUD of it and approving of others who imitate their behavior. They laugh the Repentance Message to scorn count God’s longsuffering and patient kindness to Judge them as His Approval! (Rom2:4-5)
Rather than exposing the Multitude of False teachers and preachers (in the church systems) who told everyone God will save them in their sins, the consensus remains centered around the same Lies that brought us to this mess to begin with! Amid all the formulas, methods and evangelical outreach efforts, NOTHING is accomplished. The people are Still given false hopes that somehow they are going to make it into the Kingdom despite their iniquity. The Strongholds of Lies have barely been assaulted, so FEW are His True labors in the Vineyards. The Contrast between true and error is so VIVID! The Apostle Paul is shown Pleading with the people of Ephesus for THREE Years, night and day with tears, Warning them about false teachers, savage wolves who would distort the Grace message and overthrow the faith of many! Building them up in the faith, exhorting them to Stand fast in the Lord and never give in, with all urgency and diligence to keep the Message pure and undefiled.
The Blessed Apostle John Warned constantly about the ‘Spirit of Error’, or ‘anti-Christ’, as he called it. At work in the sons of disobedience who would not Continue in the Pure Doctrine of the Lord Jesus Christ. TEST the Sprits! He told his disciples. If what they were teaching did not fall in line with the wholesome words of Christ and the Doctrine which is According to Godliness, REJECT it! Peter admonished us in his final Epistle to be diligent to be found by Him Blameless, without Spot and in Peace. Least we fall from our won Steadfastness, being led away into the ERROR OF THE WICKED! HOW can we Disregard these things in light of a society crumbling at its foundations? Is it because the Churches are a Glitter land of Vain amusements? Decked out with everything the world has to offer in a Candy coating of sweetness! Can ANYONE tell the Difference between TRUTH and FICTION anymore?
The Apostles were INNOCENT of the Blood of all men! They DID NOT try to Appease the Masses by Soft peddling the Gospel Message to the Masses, no matter what the consequences. They Demanded a Real Repentance and Faith PROVEN by DEEDS! Converts were brought from Darkness to Light, from the Power of Satan to GOD! NO ONE defended sin or argued in favor of Carnal Christianity. The was no Army of False Teachers among the people telling them they were born sinful, hating God and remained the ‘CHIEF’ of Sinners even as a Christian!
Personal Responsibility and Free Will were a GIVEN in ancient Preaching. The Fundamental Principle of the Gospel was OBEDIENCE from the Heart! Those who Commit Sin are SLAVES to Sin. In Christ the Old Man of sin is Crucified, Dead, Done away with and NEWNESS of life has Come! The Purpose of the Gospel Message is to SAVE Men from the Corrupting Influence of Sin! NOT Cover their Transgressions with some kind of Pre-forgiveness of sin and Moral Transfer of virtue.
Today they Preach MYTHS and the People bask in the Lies. The Spirit of error has descended over the land. The ‘Light’ in you is Really DARKNESS and How GREAT is t hat darkness! The Modern Evangelical Churches have become the Wizard of OZ, Leading people down the Yellow Brick Road of Deception! NO ONE is Convicted of ANYTHING. Jesus is Merely a Fairy Tale Promising everyone the happily ever after. The Gospel is a Pageant that Glitters like a Hollywood Movie set and the Preachers Perform their art in living Color.
Most heartrending of all is the PEOPLE genuinely Believe they are SAVED and Going to heaven with Jesus when they Die! Like Naïve children they flock to these churches to hear the fables, thinking that God is well pleased with their nominal devotions and remains BLIND to their sins! But amid the Dinners and fund raisers and all the good time entertainments the Dark Clouds of Judgment are Pending. God is Not Slack Concerning His Promise, as men count slackness. His WORD can Still Cut to the heart and bring about a Real Repentance that can save the soul from the corrupting influence of sin. FEW have ears to hear however and time is running out. Ultimately everyone will stand face to face with God and the fairy tales will cease. You Won’t be traveling Over the Rainbow to La La Land!
Preaches today are RED with the Blood of Millions of Souls. They have Defrauded the entire world with a False Gospel of Lies. You MUST apply the Word Directly to the Conscience Mind so it will cut to the heart. Man is guilty of Crucifying the Lord of Glory in his sin. He Must Flee God’s Wrath or Perish in his darkness. Abandon the Lies and Preach True Repentance. www.standingthegap.org
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I don't care about the size, the REAL question is what are they teaching and preaching.
my neighbor on one side of the road,,,,,,goes to "a church",,,, and they do not believe in radios,tv's computors,,ect.,,,,,,,"other side of the road(neighbor beside me",,,,,,,,he fitted the windows two years ago so he would just need to screw the panels on the windows when a hurricane came in,,,,,neighbor beside me,,(panel guy)puts up the panels sometimes twice a year to see (don't use modern technoligy neighbors),,,across the street ,panic,go buy supplies,board up house,light up lanterns,,,ect.i try to tell neighbor beside me "that's not nice",,,,,,,,,he does the "rofl,skit",,,,,,,,neighbor across the street i try to tell,,,,,,,,"i watch the news!,,,no storm's coming",,,,,,,,,,they told me the tv was of the devil and they would not listen to me because i listen to the devil,,,,,,,,,on the other side,,,my neighbors have a god that is above the gate going into the yard,,,,,"?",,,,,,,,,when i went inside they were nice,there were candles lit all over,,they told me if "you light candles it will make the rain go away",,,when i was going home their was another god above the door,,,,,,he had a horse and a small glass of water,they put water into it each day and each day as it evaporates(the horse drank it) so they put more,,,,,,,,,now on the other side of the house,,,there are some people from another religion,,,,,and next door to them another,,,,,,,,about a year ago i followed the neighbors from across the street to "church",,,,,,i just sat in the car,,,,,,,parked up and down the road were others watching with binoculars,,,,,,they followed the ones that didn't watch tv home and then i realized they all had "panels that screwed on to their windows",,,,and they were the neighbors of the others that went to that church,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,now i think all the water the horse was getting was just forming clouds,"but that's just me",,,,,,,,,last winter i was wrapping up my water pipes,so was the (panel neighbor),beside me,,,,,,,(no tv neighbor across the street),,,,,,,,was just watching us across the road,,,,,,,i tried to tell him i watched the news and it was going to be 20 degrees,,,,"he just thought me and (panel neighbor) was just messing with him",,,,,,it was really hard on my mind the next day when they were trying to start their cars,,,freeze plugs pushed out so the cars overheated,,,,when it warmed up all their water pipes were busted,,,,,,,you see the true church wasn't ever made of wood,,,,,,,,,,nor was it made of bricks ,,there's no man who ever went to a ''true church",,,,,,,,,,you are the member of the body of the "true church",it is not a hundred miles over there,,,,,,,,,,it.s not a ten minute drive to it from here,,,,,,,,it does not have a wooden door to walk through,,,,,,,,,,,it is "you",,,,its,,"Christ and you",,,,,,,,,,Christ is the head of the church and you are his body,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but you can go to all the others if you like,,,,,,,,,you can join their church,,,,,,
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I think it's funny how some have turned this thread into a means to push their own denomination. As for me, I could care less how big or small the church is or whether they meet in a church building or out in Central Park. I could even care less about the denomination....
What's important to me is that they are doers of the WORD and not hearers only. I want to be with people who actually believe what the Bible says and apply it to their daily lives. I want to be with a people who takes Scripture so seriously that they would never dare to add to or take away from it. I want to be with a people who walk so closely with the Lord that it can be seen in every aspect of their lives, so much so that they needn't pursue the lost but the lost pursues them because they can see and feel the one and only living God in them.
What's important to me is that they are doers of the WORD and not hearers only. I want to be with people who actually believe what the Bible says and apply it to their daily lives. I want to be with a people who takes Scripture so seriously that they would never dare to add to or take away from it. I want to be with a people who walk so closely with the Lord that it can be seen in every aspect of their lives, so much so that they needn't pursue the lost but the lost pursues them because they can see and feel the one and only living God in them.
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Rickee
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All of us; should find the Original teaching Church started by Jesus and Carried on Starting in Jerusalem, by His Original Apostles. This is The First and Only Church started by Jesus. Too many people today, are Lazy, and want to attend a Church which caters more to our weak flesh, rather then Obey and Honor God, and His total Word, not a Church that " Cherry Picks" what pets the Flesh, In other words; a Church that Sells Sizzle, but not the Steak if you will.
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marianna
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I think it's funny how some have turned this thread into a means to push their own denomination. As for me, I could care less how big or small the church is or whether they meet in a church building or out in Central Park. I could even care less about the denomination....
What's important to me is that they are doers of the WORD and not hearers only. I want to be with people who actually believe what the Bible says and apply it to their daily lives. I want to be with a people who takes Scripture so seriously that they would never dare to add to or take away from it. I want to be with a people who walk so closely with the Lord that it can be seen in every aspect of their lives, so much so that they needn't pursue the lost but the lost pursues them because they can see and feel the one and only living God in them.
what does a doer of the word do?
what are good works? could you explain specificaly what you mean?
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Beloved57
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Crossfire is referring to James 1:21-25; for in verse 22 we are told to be a doer of the Word, not a hearer only, in verse 25 we are told that we are to look into the perfect law of liberty. This law of liberty is spoken by Paul in Galatians 5:13-14; it is fulfilling the whole law by love. What are good works, will we know we are not saved by our own works, but if one reads the verse following Ephesians 2:8-9, it states:
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Ephesians 2:10
So what are the good works of the Holy Spirit working though us?
Our labour of Love though the Spirit (Roman 5:5)
For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward His name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
Hebrews 6:10
For we see in James 2:8-26, that the work of faith is love (see also Galatians 5:6). IMO, this is also what John wrote in I John 3:16-18.
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