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This is where our beliefs differ my friend. Satan told Eve at the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil that if she ate the fruit of the tree she would not die and the lie about immortality of the soul was born. God says the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. I choose to believe what God said.
Jesus referred to death as a sleep and we are not conscience of anything going on around us when we are asleep. In Psalms it says the living know that they will die but the dead know not anything.
In Malachi 4:3 it says the wicked will be ashes under the soles of our feet meaning they will be dead and destroyed in the lake of fire.
Jesus referred to death as a sleep and we are not conscience of anything going on around us when we are asleep. In Psalms it says the living know that they will die but the dead know not anything.
In Malachi 4:3 it says the wicked will be ashes under the soles of our feet meaning they will be dead and destroyed in the lake of fire.
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You are correct about God being different from us. Only God is without beginning.
Our bodies are indeed mortal, but all men have a soul. All humans are composed of both body and soul. I know that eternal punishment and torment sounds terrible. It is. Jesus is not willing that any should experience this eternal death either. That is why He went to such great lengths to provide a way to be reconciled to the Father.
Matthew 25:30
“And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
Matthew 25:46
“And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”
That is why it is so important to warn the rebellious sinner of impending doom unless he repents and comes to Jesus.
Our bodies are indeed mortal, but all men have a soul. All humans are composed of both body and soul. I know that eternal punishment and torment sounds terrible. It is. Jesus is not willing that any should experience this eternal death either. That is why He went to such great lengths to provide a way to be reconciled to the Father.
Matthew 25:30
“And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
Matthew 25:46
“And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”
That is why it is so important to warn the rebellious sinner of impending doom unless he repents and comes to Jesus.
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James 2:26
“For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”
When any man dies physically, his body and soul separate. His body goes to the grave.
A believer's soul/spirit goes to heaven and awaits its glorified body when the Rapture occurs.
The unbeliever's soul/spirit goes to hell and awaits the Great White Throne Judgement after the 1000-year reign.
“For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”
When any man dies physically, his body and soul separate. His body goes to the grave.
A believer's soul/spirit goes to heaven and awaits its glorified body when the Rapture occurs.
The unbeliever's soul/spirit goes to hell and awaits the Great White Throne Judgement after the 1000-year reign.
Ecc 12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Gen 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
The body without the spirit is dead.
It doesn't say the Spirit is the soul or is alive separate to the body.
The Spirit gives life to the body.
The dust + the spirit of God = a living soul..
The dust - the spirit of God = a dead soul...
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Gen 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
The body without the spirit is dead.
It doesn't say the Spirit is the soul or is alive separate to the body.
The Spirit gives life to the body.
The dust + the spirit of God = a living soul..
The dust - the spirit of God = a dead soul...
We generally don't use the book of Ecclesiastes to form Church Doctrine. It is written from man's perspective rather than God's.
It says the body is dead without the spirit. It does not say the spirit is dead because the spirit is not dead. You may call the spirit the soul the so long as you don't confuse it with the Holy Spirit. That is why I prefer to call it the soul.
Gen 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Correct.
Correct. Man is born with a God given soul, and when a man is born again, he receives the Holy Spirit as well.
Man is body and soul, not dust. Dust was just the thing God used as an ingredient. The soul never dies. Spiritual death results in perpetual punishment of the soul.
It says the body is dead without the spirit. It does not say the spirit is dead because the spirit is not dead. You may call the spirit the soul the so long as you don't confuse it with the Holy Spirit. That is why I prefer to call it the soul.
Gen 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Correct.
Correct. Man is born with a God given soul, and when a man is born again, he receives the Holy Spirit as well.
Man is body and soul, not dust. Dust was just the thing God used as an ingredient. The soul never dies. Spiritual death results in perpetual punishment of the soul.
Luke 16 describes what happens when we pass away and go to heaven. You either accept Christ as savior or you didn't. Those that rejected Christ are in torment knowing the white throne judgment awaits them. Ezk 28:2-19 describes the prince of Tyrus, (Satan), and how in the end, he will be turned to ashes. This happens at the white throne judgment. Those that don't make it go into the lake of fire and are destroyed. God is a consuming fire. To those that love him, your heart is warmed by his touch. To those that reject him, that touch turns you into ashes from within. They are turned to ashes and their smoke is what rises forever. They are blotted out never to be remembered anymore. Those that love the Lord go into the eternity.
God said to Adam, “... in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die ...”. Adam died that day. His body didn’t cease to exist, his soul didn’t cease to exist, and his body & soul didn’t separate. And yet he died that very day. It’s the same death that’s mentioned in
Ephesians 2: ... And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins ... Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ (verses 2 & 6). The Ephesian Christians’ souls existed before they were quickened, and yet they themselves had been dead at the time.
These are all references to spiritual death; separation from God. Adam & Eve saw that they had separated themselves from God
when their eyes were opened and they saw they were naked and hid themselves.
This is the death that the serpent referenced when he predicted to Eve that she wouldn’t die. Satan didn’t promise the woman that her soul wouldn’t cease to exist and function; he said she wouldn’t die. But she did die, all the while going on to live out her life with an existing and functioning soul. She became spiritually dead that day.
Be careful not to lift the serpent’s phrase ‘Ye shall not surely die’ out of its context and use it as a buzz-phrase. I don’t know of any
Bible believer who believes in eternal torment for the departed wicked, who doesn’t recognize that spiritual death is what happened to Adam & Eve that day. Death and cessation of existence are two entirely different things.
Ephesians 2: ... And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins ... Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ (verses 2 & 6). The Ephesian Christians’ souls existed before they were quickened, and yet they themselves had been dead at the time.
These are all references to spiritual death; separation from God. Adam & Eve saw that they had separated themselves from God
when their eyes were opened and they saw they were naked and hid themselves.
This is the death that the serpent referenced when he predicted to Eve that she wouldn’t die. Satan didn’t promise the woman that her soul wouldn’t cease to exist and function; he said she wouldn’t die. But she did die, all the while going on to live out her life with an existing and functioning soul. She became spiritually dead that day.
Be careful not to lift the serpent’s phrase ‘Ye shall not surely die’ out of its context and use it as a buzz-phrase. I don’t know of any
Bible believer who believes in eternal torment for the departed wicked, who doesn’t recognize that spiritual death is what happened to Adam & Eve that day. Death and cessation of existence are two entirely different things.
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FAQ: Do you not know it is the kindness of God that leads men to
repentance rather than fear and threats of fiery justice? (Rom 2:4)
REPLY: If the Bible's God weren't so kind, then He wouldn't bother with
giving His creatures advance notice of the horror in store for them in the
afterlife.
• Luke 12:4-5 . . And I say unto you my friends; Be not afraid of them that
kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will
forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear Him, which after He hath killed hath
power to cast into Hell; yea, I say unto you fear Him.
Was Christ wrong to instill a fear of God within people's hearts? No; I think
he was 110% justified. For example: when I was working as a professional
welder for the US Army Corps of Engineers, we had weekly and monthly
safety meetings wherein we were shown some grisly photographs of real life
industrial accidents involving burns, chain saws, punctured eyes, explosions,
falls, crane collapses, suffocation, crushing, and the like.
Let me tell you: those safety meetings got our attention, and really made a
sharp distinction between the fool and the wise. Somebody like Billy Graham
needs to get out there and let people know that they're up against a celestial
despot more dangerous than China's Xi Jinping and North Korea's Kim Jong-Un.
• Prov 22:3 . . A prudent person foresees the danger ahead and takes
precautions; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences.
The kindness of God has given the world fair and adequate notice of what to
expect in the afterlife. Those who don't care about it one way or the other
would be well advised to use what time they have remaining to begin
preparing themselves for the worst when they cross over to the other side.
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FAQ: Do you not know it is the kindness of God that leads men to
repentance rather than fear and threats of fiery justice? (Rom 2:4)
REPLY: If the Bible's God weren't so kind, then He wouldn't bother with
giving His creatures advance notice of the horror in store for them in the
afterlife.
• Luke 12:4-5 . . And I say unto you my friends; Be not afraid of them that
kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will
forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear Him, which after He hath killed hath
power to cast into Hell; yea, I say unto you fear Him.
Was Christ wrong to instill a fear of God within people's hearts? No; I think
he was 110% justified. For example: when I was working as a professional
welder for the US Army Corps of Engineers, we had weekly and monthly
safety meetings wherein we were shown some grisly photographs of real life
industrial accidents involving burns, chain saws, punctured eyes, explosions,
falls, crane collapses, suffocation, crushing, and the like.
Let me tell you: those safety meetings got our attention, and really made a
sharp distinction between the fool and the wise. Somebody like Billy Graham
needs to get out there and let people know that they're up against a celestial
despot more dangerous than China's Xi Jinping and North Korea's Kim Jong-Un.
• Prov 22:3 . . A prudent person foresees the danger ahead and takes
precautions; the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences.
The kindness of God has given the world fair and adequate notice of what to
expect in the afterlife. Those who don't care about it one way or the other
would be well advised to use what time they have remaining to begin
preparing themselves for the worst when they cross over to the other side.
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Hell is real. And it was created for the devil and his angels, not for man.
Hell is an eternal place because Jesus said it is.
Hell has torment, and flames; no righteous are there.
Separation from God forever. Hell is no joke.
Those who teach hell is not as God says it is a will, too, most likely find themselves there. Annilantionst perverts the word of God and interjects word games to explain an English translation at the expense of the context of the whole Bible. They use human reasoning and try to use the love of God to hold God's feet to the fire as to say;
" God is love," and sending a person to hell to be tormented FOREVER is not what a loving God will do."
God is right in all HE does and will do. Those who suggest Jesus lied about hell are all you need to know about this foolish mindset about hell and the false narrative of God's love. From a human reasoning perspective, not a biblical truth.
Hell is an eternal place because Jesus said it is.
Hell has torment, and flames; no righteous are there.
Separation from God forever. Hell is no joke.
Those who teach hell is not as God says it is a will, too, most likely find themselves there. Annilantionst perverts the word of God and interjects word games to explain an English translation at the expense of the context of the whole Bible. They use human reasoning and try to use the love of God to hold God's feet to the fire as to say;
" God is love," and sending a person to hell to be tormented FOREVER is not what a loving God will do."
God is right in all HE does and will do. Those who suggest Jesus lied about hell are all you need to know about this foolish mindset about hell and the false narrative of God's love. From a human reasoning perspective, not a biblical truth.
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I really do believe that if everyone really took the time to think about being blotted out of eternity with God and being as though they never existed they might do an about face and believe in God and want to do his will. God gave us everything and Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice to save us all that it would do every human on the planet well to take the time and think about what God has done for us.
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I completely understand, but God's ways are higher than ours. Please don't be upset with God if you conclude the Scriptures to point to everlasting punishment. Sin is a terrible thing and Jesus paid a terribly high price to rescue us. It grieves me that unbelievers will not take sin and salvation seriously. Even if you are not sure, please warn them just in case. God bless you, dear sister.
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Hey all reminds me of this person many know and so many believe him because he died saw hell he says. At first watching him talking about what happen he saw he backed it all up with scripture. There were somethings he said where a red flag for me popped up. Just one was at the great white throne judgement those sent away a demon will grab you and take you to hell he said. Now I can not find that written. And what got me thinking was.. that place was made for them not man and the demon is dragging man to hell? The demons are the ones that said to Christ "are you doing to torment us before out time?".
I've never got stuck on this hell burn for ever or not. Well we take for granted everything we experience here He rains on the just and unjust. But after this life all that will be gone. So all thats left is everything God is not. Think about it if love peace the fruits of the spirit are all gone and whats left is the flip side. That lone is hell..for me. The world (Lost) does not even understand all they see and feel now is His love and mercy. All this time giving man the choice to come to Him. Song.. oh how He loves you and me. Praise God I truly believe it far easier to be saved then lost. Since no one knows me ..well I share this not with anyone I know. There was time when I knew (at that time) my baby would be no more never to see them again. Never in my life felt such pain. I am made in His image so how will God think feel as He alone has to judge and say to His creation not mine. Depart from me...forever. Be like asking God to let you taste His love for man. Yeah it would have be so.. like a atom or it would destroy is. I am awful with words lol.
All this talk thinking makes me want to fall on my face forever and and ever thanking Him for sending Christ. Thinking how some ask "are we only going to just praise Him forever? I don't think I will like that". You say something nice back but thinking....oh yeah on my face at Christs feet forever praising thanking Him.. yeah I will
I've never got stuck on this hell burn for ever or not. Well we take for granted everything we experience here He rains on the just and unjust. But after this life all that will be gone. So all thats left is everything God is not. Think about it if love peace the fruits of the spirit are all gone and whats left is the flip side. That lone is hell..for me. The world (Lost) does not even understand all they see and feel now is His love and mercy. All this time giving man the choice to come to Him. Song.. oh how He loves you and me. Praise God I truly believe it far easier to be saved then lost. Since no one knows me ..well I share this not with anyone I know. There was time when I knew (at that time) my baby would be no more never to see them again. Never in my life felt such pain. I am made in His image so how will God think feel as He alone has to judge and say to His creation not mine. Depart from me...forever. Be like asking God to let you taste His love for man. Yeah it would have be so.. like a atom or it would destroy is. I am awful with words lol.
All this talk thinking makes me want to fall on my face forever and and ever thanking Him for sending Christ. Thinking how some ask "are we only going to just praise Him forever? I don't think I will like that". You say something nice back but thinking....oh yeah on my face at Christs feet forever praising thanking Him.. yeah I will
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