Good to get some context on your thought process. My father nearly broke his back giving us a better life. I used to help him as a laborer on school holidays. I don't know how he did it. Never forgot what he did for us.
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Good to get some context on your thought process. My father nearly broke his back giving us a better life. I used to help him as a laborer on school holidays. I don't know how he did it. Never forgot what he did for us.
I get called a Marxist by these guys, but I am suspect I am a bigger Capitalist than they are.
Just because I'm a capitalist, it doesn't mean I'm against welfare systems and other programs to improve society. In fact I find business does better under governments that take care of the poor and the health of society.
I don't see a need to punish people for being unemployed. It's not like people are living as Kings on welfare payments.
Just because I'm a capitalist, it doesn't mean I'm against welfare systems and other programs to improve society. In fact I find business does better under governments that take care of the poor and the health of society.
I don't see a need to punish people for being unemployed. It's not like people are living as Kings on welfare payments.
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AgeofKnowledge
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Your obsession with marxism reminds me of another guy who obsesses on a supernatural orb...
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danalee
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I love it.
Many people do not know that it is illegal to be homeless. That's right. I'll say it again. It's illegal to be homeless. If the shelter is full, one must hide or risk going to jail for loitering. I took an extended pilgrimage out to the west coast and spent a lot of time helping the homeless. I was incensed. I walked into a park bathroom late at night, and I heard a woman shudder, "are you coming to kick me out?" -- "No, I need to use the bathroom." Her reaction was palpable. She hyperventilated in fear. She knew that she had to hide. She was most likely sick, without family, she was not a criminal. She seemed very sweet and innocent. The wealthy in this country make me sick. The reactions to the homeless make me sick. This statue is brilliant. Great post, thank you.
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danalee
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See. Now here you are propagating the nameless and verboten poster/thread. Haha. It's super hard to get people to have self control when it's so ridiculous. LOL
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danalee
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Most of the homeless are mentally ill/chemically dependent. And worse, they have very horrible psychological afflictions that cannot be remedied by medicine (note I said by medicine).
Ignorance is not realizing that once you become homeless you do not have an address and cannot apply for benefits. Once you get accepted into a shelter than you need to abide rules and sometimes help out with duties that takes you all day. In California I observed a whole community who were homeless for months. You must arrive at the night shelter by five to get a bed and meal. If you are late, tough luck. In the morning, you walk ACROSS TOWN to the day shelter to get breakfast. To wash clothes you need to do chores. To eat you need to do chores. Then it's lunch time. When that's over, you make the long trek back to the night shelter to get there in time. Time to look for a job? ZERO....I wrote up a whole book on the subject actually. In any case, we need to be charitable to these people no matter what.
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danalee
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No a job is not going to cut it for some people. They are sick, sick, sick. Sick people cannot work. We actively deny mental illness as a sickness. I've taken care of former drug dealers who get shot and spend taxpayers monies like millions and millions as vented quads...but then I've seen the sweetest and kindest schizophrenic die from freezing. I worked all winter at the shelter and I watched a mans FEET MELT OFF THE BONE. I mean, I cut his socks off and the whole flesh popped off like a rocket at me and I was left trying to save his life from shock and blood loss. He couldn't have a job man, this guy had chemicals off in his brain. The brain does get sick you know.
Yeah. When I worked acute psychiatry I was told to put a mentally ill man in a cab and make sure he gets so far away he couldn't physically walk back to the ER. He probably died in the below freezing temps. I QUIT that job.
My dad when I grew up had a dairy farm. Worked with him from the age of 6 to 21 when he sold the farm. Good man, and when he was 67 he came to the Lord and asked me to help his pastor baptise him.
Big day that was, second time in my life I saw my dad cry.
How many people are on assistance who are too sick to work?
Do ya really think I am against helping people who are....wait I did, I said the infirm way back.
Too bad people like to characterize others without even looking into it. Hmmm, making unilateral decisions about people because they fit into a preconceived ideal, you do know what that is called right?
Bigotry.
A marxist thinks he is owed a living because other people have stuff. The biblical word is, covetness.
Do ya really think I am against helping people who are....wait I did, I said the infirm way back.
Too bad people like to characterize others without even looking into it. Hmmm, making unilateral decisions about people because they fit into a preconceived ideal, you do know what that is called right?
Bigotry.
A marxist thinks he is owed a living because other people have stuff. The biblical word is, covetness.
I do think that jobs will help, but not alone. Apprenticeships, using our natural resources, exporting more than we import, and ceasing to give lazy politicians large paychecks and lavish vacations would not only help the jobless and homeless but also help solve the debt crisis.
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tarzan
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Including politics as a means of justifying not taking care of our brothers, sisters, and neighbors, is pure evil.
End your silly rants and feed the people. Get over your money. Especially if you have the freedom to do so without being bombarded by attacks from your family for doing so.
The world is so happy for those who are absorbed in their own insanity. How comfortable the kings' and queens' houses are! And who has convinced you that you earned any of it?
The fool says, "If you don't work, you don't eat."
Not because working is bad, but because that one then has brought upon their self starvation. For because they did not perform the work of feeding, therefore shall they starve.
If, in the old covenant, we find that God commanded that the farmers do not harvest all of their fruits so that they were left for the poor, within the same old covenant wherein the people were punished so severely for their offenses, then how much more would the Lord ask us to give in the new covenant? And we have been in the new covenant for two thousand years... and look how love has grown so cold.
What a great evil the sheep of the Lord have chosen. It's horrendous. You are the ones who ignore the buskers on the streets not realizing what work is involved. You are the ones who only glorify your own work, not realizing the demands of every single other job in existence. You are the ones who judge the kind of work that people may be allowed to do. You are the ones who demand laws to be written that benefit you but harm the less fortunate. You are the ones who claim to be at liberty, but willfully step on the toes of the ones whom you judge. You attack God's poor and homeless children as if they are Karl Marx himself! What manner of dementia is set in you? Though you had only a penny, would you learn?
It doesn't just have to be about mental illness. Today's laws are hard. Make a few mistakes, repent to the Lord, and yet all doors in this world are still shut. It will MAKE you mentally insane! This world has become old Israel in its utmost rebellion.
The lens through which you spy displays lies. Your perception is clouded and your judgment is even upon your head.
If you aren't going to feed the poor, at least give them the rest of not having to hear or see you ever. Don't utter another word about or to them if you know what is good for you, if you aren't going to feed them and clothe them.
Timothy is taken completely out of context.
Consider if you will: The Brethren are together and there are a few rich men among the brethren. Now the brethren and their families are preparing meals for the day. Now they went out to fish, and they went out to the grain, and they gathered, and they came back. And then all the preparations were made. Now the rich men thought to themselves, "We do not work with our hands, so we will wait to be served." But one rich man decided that if he was going to eat with the Brethren, that even though he knew not how to do the work, he was willing to learn so that his own burden was not upon them.
Now later on when the meal was set out at the table, a few disciples come out to the rich men who are gathered and they say, "All of you besides that one man that helped us today, you may not eat today here." And the rich men say, "But we are your brothers! Why do you send us away?" And the disciples said, "Because you did not work with your hands so that you may be able to eat with us today. You thought to yourselves, 'I am rich and have need of nothing.' Therefore, go and have all that you can have, but have it elsewhere." The rich men became indignant and angry because they were told that though they were rich, they must still work with their hands.
Another one: The rich man tells the poor man, "If you work for me, I will give you food." The poor man says, "If you work with me, I will eat with you."
I absolutely despise seeing such hate as I see here displayed from those calling themselves Christians. You know nothing of the Spirit of the Law.
End your silly rants and feed the people. Get over your money. Especially if you have the freedom to do so without being bombarded by attacks from your family for doing so.
The world is so happy for those who are absorbed in their own insanity. How comfortable the kings' and queens' houses are! And who has convinced you that you earned any of it?
The fool says, "If you don't work, you don't eat."
Not because working is bad, but because that one then has brought upon their self starvation. For because they did not perform the work of feeding, therefore shall they starve.
If, in the old covenant, we find that God commanded that the farmers do not harvest all of their fruits so that they were left for the poor, within the same old covenant wherein the people were punished so severely for their offenses, then how much more would the Lord ask us to give in the new covenant? And we have been in the new covenant for two thousand years... and look how love has grown so cold.
What a great evil the sheep of the Lord have chosen. It's horrendous. You are the ones who ignore the buskers on the streets not realizing what work is involved. You are the ones who only glorify your own work, not realizing the demands of every single other job in existence. You are the ones who judge the kind of work that people may be allowed to do. You are the ones who demand laws to be written that benefit you but harm the less fortunate. You are the ones who claim to be at liberty, but willfully step on the toes of the ones whom you judge. You attack God's poor and homeless children as if they are Karl Marx himself! What manner of dementia is set in you? Though you had only a penny, would you learn?
It doesn't just have to be about mental illness. Today's laws are hard. Make a few mistakes, repent to the Lord, and yet all doors in this world are still shut. It will MAKE you mentally insane! This world has become old Israel in its utmost rebellion.
The lens through which you spy displays lies. Your perception is clouded and your judgment is even upon your head.
If you aren't going to feed the poor, at least give them the rest of not having to hear or see you ever. Don't utter another word about or to them if you know what is good for you, if you aren't going to feed them and clothe them.
Timothy is taken completely out of context.
Consider if you will: The Brethren are together and there are a few rich men among the brethren. Now the brethren and their families are preparing meals for the day. Now they went out to fish, and they went out to the grain, and they gathered, and they came back. And then all the preparations were made. Now the rich men thought to themselves, "We do not work with our hands, so we will wait to be served." But one rich man decided that if he was going to eat with the Brethren, that even though he knew not how to do the work, he was willing to learn so that his own burden was not upon them.
Now later on when the meal was set out at the table, a few disciples come out to the rich men who are gathered and they say, "All of you besides that one man that helped us today, you may not eat today here." And the rich men say, "But we are your brothers! Why do you send us away?" And the disciples said, "Because you did not work with your hands so that you may be able to eat with us today. You thought to yourselves, 'I am rich and have need of nothing.' Therefore, go and have all that you can have, but have it elsewhere." The rich men became indignant and angry because they were told that though they were rich, they must still work with their hands.
Another one: The rich man tells the poor man, "If you work for me, I will give you food." The poor man says, "If you work with me, I will eat with you."
I absolutely despise seeing such hate as I see here displayed from those calling themselves Christians. You know nothing of the Spirit of the Law.
May God bless you for your kind, caring heart, and the help you give to the sick and needy. But your posts seem to contradict themselves. On the one hand you describe a sub-culture of people who fear being forced to receive help. Then you talk about how these people don't take advantage of the vast safety net of welfare programs that are available to them and funded by the "wealthy" taxpayers. Should they be forced to accept help? Do they (the drug addicts) bear any responsibility for the choices they made? Isn't wealth a relative term? You and I and most non-sick homeless people in this country would be considered as rich as a King in certain other countries or historical standards. So who gets to decide how much "wealth" is too much? You? Me? The gov?
Once again I truly wish God's blessings to you for your hands on care, but there are other ways the body of Christ moves to do His work.
Giving poor people a job is heartless and uncaring?
I do not understand that principle.
I said we should help widows...orphans...and the infirm. The bible says it and I am being called heartless....?
If you take widows, orhpans and the infirm out of the equation...please tell me what is left? People who do not need a handout. That is not going to cure their problems...
unless you would prefer to have millions of people under the thumb of government control. That is the only viable conclusion one can make.
Lets recap...help the widow, usually older but not always, a woman who lost her husband.
Orphans, children who have lost both parents...seems good to me.
The infirm. The sick. The hurt. The mentally ill....all good right?
Guess not from what I have been hearing over and over from people who either, cannot read what I write or cannot understand it.
Since what I have been saying IS biblical, and would help many people the ONLY conclusion I can come up with is...
I am cruel because I do not support government programs.
This has nothing to do with helping people...the ones who cannot help themselves,those three groups who need assistance, and the ones who can help themselves but need a job. This has to do with ONLY one thing....
THE POLITICS OF HELPING PEOPLE.
Too bad liberal policies only help government employees.
Ya just cannot get past that I do not worship the same god you do....liberalism.
I have a thread on the stats the destroy your liberal ideals...ya know the ones that have kept this nation in a very bad recession for 6 years? The ones that destroyed health care in this country? The ones that say...we are in a jobless recovery. I mean if you believe that I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you...cheap!
I would say most christians say the world is not getting better....right? Its going downhill morally and spiritually...right?
Is the world becoming more capitalist? Nope, more liberal.
All your wonderful government programs have done is this...
created poverty
created a much bigger government....
and best of all widened the gap between rich and poor. If that is a true stat and I do not know for sure it is, this nation has become much more liberal...abnd there are more poor people in it.
You can say all you want to about making charity political but the fact remains, liberalism CAUSES and NEEDS poverty to exist politically.
Jesus said there will always be poor amungst you. I think there are several reasons for that. Lack of salvation. Fallen world which leads to death and destruction, pain, suffering and loss.
The surest way to increase poverty is to try to make charity unlimited.
I do not understand that principle.
I said we should help widows...orphans...and the infirm. The bible says it and I am being called heartless....?
If you take widows, orhpans and the infirm out of the equation...please tell me what is left? People who do not need a handout. That is not going to cure their problems...
unless you would prefer to have millions of people under the thumb of government control. That is the only viable conclusion one can make.
Lets recap...help the widow, usually older but not always, a woman who lost her husband.
Orphans, children who have lost both parents...seems good to me.
The infirm. The sick. The hurt. The mentally ill....all good right?
Guess not from what I have been hearing over and over from people who either, cannot read what I write or cannot understand it.
Since what I have been saying IS biblical, and would help many people the ONLY conclusion I can come up with is...
I am cruel because I do not support government programs.
This has nothing to do with helping people...the ones who cannot help themselves,those three groups who need assistance, and the ones who can help themselves but need a job. This has to do with ONLY one thing....
THE POLITICS OF HELPING PEOPLE.
Too bad liberal policies only help government employees.
Ya just cannot get past that I do not worship the same god you do....liberalism.
I have a thread on the stats the destroy your liberal ideals...ya know the ones that have kept this nation in a very bad recession for 6 years? The ones that destroyed health care in this country? The ones that say...we are in a jobless recovery. I mean if you believe that I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you...cheap!
I would say most christians say the world is not getting better....right? Its going downhill morally and spiritually...right?
Is the world becoming more capitalist? Nope, more liberal.
All your wonderful government programs have done is this...
created poverty
created a much bigger government....
and best of all widened the gap between rich and poor. If that is a true stat and I do not know for sure it is, this nation has become much more liberal...abnd there are more poor people in it.
You can say all you want to about making charity political but the fact remains, liberalism CAUSES and NEEDS poverty to exist politically.
Jesus said there will always be poor amungst you. I think there are several reasons for that. Lack of salvation. Fallen world which leads to death and destruction, pain, suffering and loss.
The surest way to increase poverty is to try to make charity unlimited.
The Jewish people were suppose to be living by Gods law. So Jesus knew what was illegal better than any of them.
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kayem77
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It's really saddening when Christians are so afraid of giving even the slightest appereance of becoming Socialists, that they prefer to not help out someone in need since they don't know if they fall into one of the ''biblical categories'' of people who need help or not. I wonder if the church described in Acts, the church that sold their possessions and houses in order to help their brothers and sisters, was ever worried about this.
What are you talking about? How do you equate the knowledge that socialism is a great idea on paper, but in practice is actually an evil, unjust system, to not helping people? That is very offensive.
The Department of Human Services provides Rehab services to people who are disabled to teach them independent living skills. They will even help them find employment. Yes, there are some who cannot work, but few people realize state governments do provide this. My mother works for DHS, and her title is Vocational Rehabilitation Teacher for the Visually Impaired. She has helped MANY people become more productive. The kicker is she is also blind, and helps the blind. 68 years old and is financially secure.
I would like to think every action a christian does is filtered through biblical principle.
When does help become destructive...as a parent and grandparent I know. As someone who pays bills I know.
Where in the bible does it force others to be charitable? The only example of socialism in the bible was when Joseph prepared for the famine.....but that was led by God for His purpose. I do not see socialism, which hates christianity by the way, being under God's will.
The church in Acts willingly gave to one another, because of severe persecution. Its used by socialists to excuse socialism but it is not socialist at all.
You do know conservatives give 30% more to charity than liberals do?
Stewardship and unlimited charity do not go hand in hand. If unlimited charity existed, and in the past it did, it was called communism, the only thing it would accomplish is poverty on grand scales.