When does the "Day of the Lord" begin?

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Musicmaster

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I'd like to provide evidences for the belief that the "Lord's Day isn't what's taught in most prophecy club ideologies. In my proposition for the timing of the “Day of the Lord,” I'd like to present three main reasons as to why I think many of the views are wrong.

My contention is that it begins at the Second Coming rather than at the start of the seventieth week (tribulation). I'll make use of three core reasons for this, supported by Joel 2, Matthew 24, Revelation 6, Isaiah 2, 2 Thessalonians 2, Zephaniah 1, and 2 Peter 3.

Reason 1: Prerequisite Cosmic Disturbances Occur After the Tribulation​

  • Joel 2:30–31 states cosmic signs occur “before the great and terrible day of the Lord.”
  • Matthew 24:29–30 places these signs “immediately after the tribulation” and just before the Second Coming.
  • Revelation 6:12–17 (sixth seal) shows global upheaval and declarations that “the great day of His wrath is come,” aligning the Day of the Lord with events at the end of the seventieth week and the Second Coming.

Reason 2: The Lord Alone Is Exalted in That Day, Not the Beast​

  • Isaiah 2:11–12: “The Lord alone shall be exalted in that day,” with human pride humbled.
  • 2 Thessalonians 2:3–4: During the seventieth week, the “man of sin” exalts himself as God in the temple.
  • Therefore, the tribulation cannot be the Day of the Lord, since it features the beast’s exaltation rather than the Lord’s exclusive exaltation.

Reason 3: The Day of the Lord Is the Presence of the Lord​

  • Zephaniah 1:7 links the Day of the Lord to the presence of the Lord, which arrives at the Second Coming.
  • The Lord’s presence continues through the millennium, great white throne, and new creation, marking the Day of the Lord as the era of His manifest presence beginning at the Second Coming.
In all fairness I'd also like to address a couple of objections:
  • Objection A: Revelation 1:10 (“on the Lord’s day”) equals the eschatological Day of the Lord.
    • Distinction by prepositions and scope: “on the Lord’s day” indicates a 24-hour period; “in the day of the Lord” denotes a prolonged epoch.
    • Also, “the Lord’s day” in Revelation 1:10 refers to the Sabbath as a 24-hour day belonging to the Lord (Exodus 16:23, 16:25; Exodus 20:10; Exodus 35:2; Leviticus 23:38; Isaiah 58:13), not the multi-era Day of the Lord. It would be inappropriate to say “on the millennium.” Passages such as Lamentations 2:22; Ezekiel 13:5; Zephaniah 1:8, 1:18; Zephaniah 2:3; and 2 Peter 3:10 use “in” when describing the Day of the Lord.
  • Objection B: “Thief in the night” demands inclusion of the entire seventieth week because the Second Coming’s year becomes knowable.
    • The “thief in the night” motif is prophetic, not tied to the mystery of the rapture (Matthew 24:43–44 precedes Pauline revelation; 1 Corinthians 15:51 identifies the rapture as a mystery; Ephesians 3:9; 1 Corinthians 2:7–8).
    • The unknown element concerns the specific “day and hour,” not the general timeframe (Matthew 24:36, 42–44, 50; Mark 13:32; Luke 12:39–40, 12:46; Revelation 3:3).
    • A thief comes during the night unpredictably; the “night” is a period of cosmic darkness prophesied for the Day of the Lord (Amos 5:18–20; Zephaniah 1:15; Joel 2:1–2). God darkens the sun and moon “immediately after the tribulation,” and within that darkness the Lord returns unexpectedly, preserving the “thief in the night” aspect without placing the Day of the Lord at the tribulation’s start.

Does this help clarify some things?

MM

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Musicmaster said:
My contention is that it begins at the Second Coming rather than at the start of the seventieth week (tribulation). I'll make use of three core reasons for this, supported by Joel 2, Matthew 24, Revelation 6, Isaiah 2, 2 Thessalonians 2, Zephaniah 1, and 2 Peter 3.
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That is right it does not start at the 70th week, 7 years, for it is called the day of the LORD for that is when the millennial reign starts.

Which is for 1000 years the day of the Lord's rest which God said in Isaiah 28 that in the new covenant by the Spirit that this is the rest where you may cause the weary to rest and this is the refreshing.

And Jesus said take His yoke upon you and you will find rest for your souls.

6000 years of human history and 1000 years the day of the LORD.

So the day of the LORD starts when God punishes the world for their iniquities against Him and puts the world down which Jesus will rule the world.

The day of the LORD occurs at no time during the operation of man on earth so it cannot happen at the start at the 70th week, the last 7 years.

Isa 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

Eze 30:3 For the day is near, even the day of the LORD is near, a cloudy day; it shall be the time of the heathen.

Oba 1:15 For the day of the LORD is near upon all the heathen: as thou hast done, it shall be done unto thee: thy reward shall return upon thine own head.

1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The day of the LORD is when God punishes the world for their sins and iniquities against Him and the operation of the world has ceased.

When Jesus delivers up the kingdom then He will put down the world.

That is why there cannot be a pre-7 years resurrection for when it happens there is no 7 years where the world is operating.

The resurrection is at the end of the 7 years for the heathen do not continue.

The tribulation is for the saints.

The wrath of God is not in the 7 years period.

Salvation is available for the first 3.5 years and the beast has power over all nations, kindreds, and tongues, which he cannot have that power unless God allows it.

The trumpets are not the wrath of God but warnings to the world to repent but after the 6th trumpet they do not do it so He gives them the antichrist to rule over them.

God is giving the world 7 years to have their way and cause all people who do not love the truth to follow the antichrist.

So the saints will remain on earth to represent the truth.

Zec 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Zec 14:5 and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Eze 39:1 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

Eze 39:2 And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel.

Eze 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

The day of the LORD is when the battle of Armageddon happens which is part of the wrath of God.

Which at the end of the 7 years the saints are resurrected and then the wrath of God is poured on the world.

And at the 6th vial the battle of Armageddon Jesus comes back with the saints and defeats the world and saves Israel.

Then Jesus will rule out of Jerusalem over one sixth of the people God spared.

1Th 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

1Th 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

The day of the Lord is near when they say Peace and safety when the nations come together to work for peace, and the antichrist starts working in the world, the start of the last 7 years.

It is near but does not start at that time.

Which the saints will not be deceived by them but know it is not of God.

Which Jesus said He would deliver the people in the truth from the temptation that shall come upon all the world to try them that dwell on earth.

Joe 3:9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
Joe 3:10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
Joe 3:11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about:

thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.

Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.

This is also when God punishes the world.

The world has a choice to get right with God or follow the world.

The day of the LORD is near not at that time when they have to make that decision.

In the middle of the 7 years all people that do not love the truth will be given strong delusion to believe the truth.

So their decision to turn to God is over.

The beast will use them to persecute the saints for the last 3.5 years and then the day of the LORD will begin.

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.

2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

This happens at the end of the day of the LORD the end of the millennial reign.

The day of the LORD happens at no time during the operation of people on earth.

For it is the day of the LORD and it is His day where everything is according to His ways and operation and no input from people concerning their ways and operation.
 
The 'Day of the Lord' is two things - a particular 1000-year span of time - and - the first [24-hour] day of that thousand years.

The thousand years is the 1000-year reign of Christ and the first day is the day Christ appears at the Second Coming of Christ.
 
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Im usually the odd one in these topics.

Joel said Great and Terrible day of the Lord---Joel 2

Peter said Great and Glorious day of the Lord-- Acts 2

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Couple study scriptures

Moon to blood red and sun to darkness before the day of the Lord----

Rev. 6:12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red,

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Day of the Lord cannot come till after he takes his seat in Temple

2 Thess. 2---asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

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Timing of Day of the Lord IMO

Rev 14:14--20

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The day of the Lord's second coming on Mount Olives, likely on the day of atonement, the first day of a jubilee year, per Is. 61:2.

The Spirit of the Lord God is upon Me, Because the Lord has anointed Me To preach good tidings to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives, And the opening of the prison to those who are bound; To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, And the day of vengeance of our God;
 
Omegatime said:
Im usually the odd one in these topics.

Joel said Great and Terrible day of the Lord---Joel 2

Peter said Great and Glorious day of the Lord-- Acts 2

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Couple study scriptures

Moon to blood red and sun to darkness before the day of the Lord----

Rev. 6:12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red,

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Day of the Lord cannot come till after he takes his seat in Temple

2 Thess. 2---asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

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Timing of Day of the Lord IMO

Rev 14:14--20

Beginning of this story
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So, what part of my analysis do you deem is wrong and why?

MM
 
All about timing!!

I see the Day of the Lord beginning at the moment between the 7th Trumpet ( Last Trumpet ) and the Bowl/Vial Judgements, not at the end of the Tribulation. The kingdom of the antichrist enters what should be a time of peace and why this time is so terrible.

I see a resurrection/rapture, as well as everyone left enters the bowl judgements being unrighteous. Time to be saved by faith ends after 6000 years and works saves a man in the bowl judgements. Helping those fleeing the antichrist with drink, food, clothing, ect. because as the scriptures say-do not turn back to retrieve anything.

Daniel's timeline

Middle of the 7, 1260 days into the Tribulation, Antichrist claims he is the Almighty, Jacob's trouble begins

1335th day--Blessed Day---Resurrection/ rapture--- Rev 14
 
Omegatime said:
All about timing!!

I see the Day of the Lord beginning at the moment between the 7th Trumpet ( Last Trumpet ) and the Bowl/Vial Judgements, not at the end of the Tribulation. The kingdom of the antichrist enters what should be a time of peace and why this time is so terrible.

I see a resurrection/rapture, as well as everyone left enters the bowl judgements being unrighteous. Time to be saved by faith ends after 6000 years and works saves a man in the bowl judgements. Helping those fleeing the antichrist with drink, food, clothing, ect. because as the scriptures say-do not turn back to retrieve anything.

Daniel's timeline

Middle of the 7, 1260 days into the Tribulation, Antichrist claims he is the Almighty, Jacob's trouble begins

1335th day--Blessed Day---Resurrection/ rapture--- Rev 14
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I understand your seeming belief in mid-trib rapture...if I'm understanding your position correctly, but what part of my OP do you deem as being wrong?

MM
 
Omegatime said:
All about timing!!

I see the Day of the Lord beginning at the moment between the 7th Trumpet ( Last Trumpet ) and the Bowl/Vial Judgements, not at the end of the Tribulation. The kingdom of the antichrist enters what should be a time of peace and why this time is so terrible.

I see a resurrection/rapture, as well as everyone left enters the bowl judgements being unrighteous. Time to be saved by faith ends after 6000 years and works saves a man in the bowl judgements. Helping those fleeing the antichrist with drink, food, clothing, ect. because as the scriptures say-do not turn back to retrieve anything.

Daniel's timeline

Middle of the 7, 1260 days into the Tribulation, Antichrist claims he is the Almighty, Jacob's trouble begins

1335th day--Blessed Day---Resurrection/ rapture--- Rev 14
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1335th day is Hanukkah. Is. 61:1-4 prophesies the "acceptable year of the Lord" and "the day of vengeance", those are a jubilee year and the day of atonement, the first day of a jubilee year. If you count 75 days from the day of atonement, you'll land on Hanukkah, the feast of dedication.
 
Musicmaster said:
I'd like to provide evidences for the belief that the "Lord's Day isn't what's taught in most prophecy club ideologies. In my proposition for the timing of the “Day of the Lord,” I'd like to present three main reasons as to why I think many of the views are wrong.

My contention is that it begins at the Second Coming rather than at the start of the seventieth week (tribulation). I'll make use of three core reasons for this, supported by Joel 2, Matthew 24, Revelation 6, Isaiah 2, 2 Thessalonians 2, Zephaniah 1, and 2 Peter 3.
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I would tweak your definition slightly. In the Hebrew mind a planetary day begins at evening and ends at the next evening. And scripture suggests that the Lord may return at midnight, which would be six hours into the day of His return. Also scripture alludes to a day with the Lord being as 1000 years. The word "day (SEmeron)" has a broader semantic range.

"Strong's -
4. By a Hebraistic usage (though one not entirely unknown to Greek writers; cf. Sophocles Aj. 131, 623; Euripides, Ion 720) it is used of time in general (as the Latin dies is sometimes)..."

So, I would define the Lord's Day as the evening-to-evening day on which the Lord Jesus returns with His saints for His remaining saints, and on the millennial scale, the Lord's Day is less than or equal to 1000 full years beginning on the evening-to-evening day on which the Lord Jesus returns.

I agree it does not start the seventienth week, because I see Daniel's seventieth week as the preaching of the new covenant to the Jews by Jesus personally (AD 27) and by the apostles until the martyrdom of Stephen (AD 34).

I would say, "My contention is that it begins at evening on the Jewish day of the the Second Coming rather than at the start of the great tribulation."
 
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