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That’s is what prophecy is for, it says they will repent, we do not have to know where they are, God does
When Has God Gathered After He Scattered Without Any Repentance?
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Oh c'mon, God also expects us to use our brains. "Come, now, let us reason together."
Now, before you judge me, I fully believe God can resurrect all those legitimate Israelites in the OT that died if He wanted to, but that's not what prophecy says...it refers to "present day Israelites" which can't possibly refer to Literal Israel, but easily refers to Spiritual Israel, the church. Yes, prophecy can easily be fulfilled in them, but Jesuit "Left Behind" Futurists would rather believe Jesuit ideas which were thunk up to get the fingers of accusation against the Papal Antichrist pointing in other directions: the past and the future.
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your right.
so many OT and NT prophecies speak of Israel, who was punished for her sin, repenting and confessing her sins and because of this being restored
lets use our brain like you said, spiritual Israel was never scattered from her land in punishment for her sin. So she would not fit the prophecies
This can be said of all men. Foreknowledge is no reason for all of us to run off and jump into the Calvin boat.
it couldn't until 1948. now there's a literal Israel again. now Ezekiel 38 can happen.
there's even an Assyria again -- called Kurdistan -- so that Isaiah 19 can be fulfilled.
who is Egypt, Israel & Assyria in Isaiah 19:23?
UK, USA, and .. well USA again twice? or do you think it's 'the church, the church the church' ?
maybe pentecostals, baptists and lutherans?
bro there is an interpretation that is a lot more straightforward and makes a lot more sense: i tend to think that Egypt, Israel & Assyria means Egypt, Israel, & Assyria. they're blessed. God says so.
The borders of Israel today are almost invisible relative to ancient Israel...you call that “restoration”?
Prophecy that God could not fulfill in the OT due to disobedient Israel will certainly not be fulfilled in the descendants of the ancient pagan Khazarian Empire who occupy that land today - it is fulfilled in Spiritual Israel.
You found that verse proving God has at least once gathered Israel after scattering her for disobedience WITHOUT her first having repented?
Seriously, do you believe that all modern-day jews are the descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?
Did "G-d" make a covenant with rabbinic judaism or the descendants of Abraham?
Hey bro, tell me; these people who converted to rabbinic judaism past the cross, they too are included in the land promises? Just to clear up on this. Ty.
Hmmmm
Should I pick Land, or Salvation????? Hmmmm. Jews need to choose apparently. I would highly suggest they pick Jesus.
Rabbinic judaism choose its deadly path long ago..Hmmmm
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If they repent and come to Christ, and are one of the true descendents of Abraham, issac and Jacob, the Bible says they are,
are they saved now? No
are they restored now? No
lev 26 says, they they repent, and confess that they were in sin, and that their fathers where in sin, and that they were being punished for being in sin, God will remember the promise he will remember the land.
ps, they will have converted to christianity by then. Just FYI, they can’t repent and still be in sin, that is not what scriptures say
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Why do they need to chose?Hmmmm
what a joke man.. This is nonsense, We are not saying they have to pick one or the other. To even insinuate that is just pure nonesense
in fact if they don’t pick salvation, they will not get the other,
the land is not all they recieve by the way, Some may live on it now. But they are not restored.
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Yep they did, as will all jews who reject Christ, as well as gentiles,,
believe it or not, we know this fact,
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Lev 26
40 ‘But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, and that they also have walked contrary to Me,
41 and that I also have walked contrary to them and have brought them into the land of their enemies;
if their uncircumcised hearts are humbled, and they accept their guilt—
42 then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abraham I will remember; I will remember the land
the promise is there, not only are they promised to be punished, but if they repent, they, as a nation, will be remembered,
40 ‘But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, and that they also have walked contrary to Me,
41 and that I also have walked contrary to them and have brought them into the land of their enemies;
if their uncircumcised hearts are humbled, and they accept their guilt—
42 then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abraham I will remember; I will remember the land
the promise is there, not only are they promised to be punished, but if they repent, they, as a nation, will be remembered,
Agreed here on most, however I explicitly asked regarding converts to rabbinic judaism, who are not descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. I see no covenant here with rabbinic judaism.
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If they are not Israel not sure how they would receive land promise in sin even not in sin they would be a Christian wherever they are not a jew
So I mean those that have converted to judaism long ago (but after the cross) and they are part of judaism today although they are not descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
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Are they jewish? Is Judaism part of the body of Christ?
King Davids grandmother. Was she jewish?
I am talking about people who converted (to judaism) after the cross. No they are not jewish and rabbinic judaism is of course not part of the Body of Christ. Bottom line is: yes, God made a covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, not rabbinic judaism.