When Jesus died, what kind of saints were resurrected ?

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When Jesus died, what kind of persons were resurrected ?

  • OLD TESTEMENT SAINTS

    Votes: 9 52.9%

  • SAINTS THAT DIED IN JESUS TIME

    Votes: 4 23.5%

  • NOT SURE

    Votes: 1 5.9%

  • OTHER

    Votes: 3 17.6%
  • Total voters
    17
  • Poll closed .
Selihah said:
No LT I do not believe for a minute Jesus was anointed king. I've read the prophecies concern the king and Jesus never fulfilled any of them. You might say he will return to fulfill he office of the anointed king. My answer to that is if he does or someone else does it doesn't matter I'm cool with either prospect. Nor do I believe God begat a son by having intercourse with a virgin woman nor do I see the need for such a thing. God never once required blood as part of forgiveness. He has always simply stated learn my ways and walk in them and I will forgive you. People make such a big deal out it all the time though.

conflicting vibes huh? in what way? :cool:

Look I've read about Jesus some of the things he said I can agree with some others I can't.

Peace LT.
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Then you remain in unbelief.

The Messiah Yahshua gave Testimony and His Words give eternal life.

If you knew His Father you would know Him.

The Bible does not state that which you say about intercourse!

GLORY to the ALMIGHTY GOD and HIS Anointed One.
 
Selihah said:
No LT I do not believe for a minute Jesus was anointed king. I've read the prophecies concern the king and Jesus never fulfilled any of them. You might say he will return to fulfill he office of the anointed king. My answer to that is if he does or someone else does it doesn't matter I'm cool with either prospect. Nor do I believe God begat a son by having intercourse with a virgin woman nor do I see the need for such a thing. God never once required blood as part of forgiveness. He has always simply stated learn my ways and walk in them and I will forgive you. People make such a big deal out it all the time though.

conflicting vibes huh? in what way? :cool:

Look I've read about Jesus some of the things he said I can agree with some others I can't.

Peace LT.
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To be spiritually minded is life and peace but the carnal mind is death

Hmmmm intercourcse watttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

How was Adam made hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Romans 8

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
 
Isdaniel said:
To be spiritually minded is life and peace but the carnal mind is death

Hmmmm intercourcse watttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

How was Adam made hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Romans 8

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
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That statement about intercourse reminded me of the conversation between Yahshua the Messiah and Nicodemus.
 
LT said:
Because it was Joseph's wish for them to do so. It was in his will to be buried with his fathers.
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The bones represent his spirit is with them, and it could also have had been any of his belongings. When someone remembers a person, that means that their spirit is with them. So people keep something of that belong to their decease family members or friends to keep their spirits with them, like God want us to keep His word.

Genesis 8:1
But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the waters receded.

Genesis 19:29
So when God destroyed the cities of the plain, he remembered Abraham, and he brought Lot out of the catastrophe that overthrew the cities where Lot had lived.

Genesis 30:22
Then God remembered Rachel; he listened to her and enabled her to conceive.

Exodus 2:24
God heard their groaning and he remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac and with Jacob.

Exodus 17:14
Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write this on a scroll as something to be remembered and make sure that Joshua hears it, because I will completely blot out the name of Amalek from under heaven.”

Leviticus 26:45But for their sake I will remember the covenant with their ancestors whom I brought out of Egypt in the sight of the nations to be their God. I am the Lord.’”

Exodus 32:32But now, please forgive their sin—but if not, then blot me out of the book you have written.”

Exodus 33:13If you are pleased with me, teach me your ways so I may know you and continue to find favor with you. Remember that this nation is your people.”


Luke 23:42Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.”

Deuteronomy 30:10if you obey the Lord your God and keep his commands and decrees that are written in this Book of the Law and turn to the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

Deuteronomy 10:12 And now, Israel, what does the Lord your God ask of you but to fear the Lord your God, to walk in obedience to him, to love him, to serve the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul,


Deuteronomy 11:18Fix these words of mine in your hearts and minds; tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads.

1 Kings 8:18But the Lord said to my father David, ‘You did well to have it in your heart to build a temple for my Name.

Leviticus 15:31“‘You must keep the Israelites separate from things that make them unclean, so they will not die in their uncleanness for defiling my dwelling place, which is among them.’”



Revelation 21:3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.

Exodus 15:13In your unfailing love you will lead the people you have redeemed. In your strength you will guide them to your holy dwelling.


Leviticus 19:17“‘Do not hate a fellow Israelite in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in their guilt.
[h=3]WHERE IS YOUR MIND DWELLING?[/h]
 
The answer is none. The first resurrection (Rev 20:6) of the saints as you call them would not occur until after Jesus received the kingship in heaven.
 
This even was a vision of the future resurrection of the saints when they will enter the Holy city.

if persons will read the passage carefully it says After the resurrection this took place that the saints enter the city .

The people saw a vision. Does it make sense that the event happen in person and not spiritual .
 
LT said:
a. It also does not say they ascended into heaven, or that they are still alive today. Did Lazarus die again?
b. Jesus ate with them after the His Resurrection, and they touched His hands. He had a physical body.
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a. Is anybody's guess where about they are now isn't it? So my guess the same - they are not bound by time and space once they are resurrected like Moses and Elijah. Regarding Lazarus, if he's saved and he's dead he should be in a very nice "place", shouldn't he? Isn't it a cruel joke to bring him back to life to go through pains, sickness and eventual death again?
b. Yeshua could appear to the disciples behind closed doors so it's not a physical body like you and I have now, is it?
 
a. It is not a cruel joke to be brought back to life to face the problems in life and death again. If a person like Lazarus was resurrected he would know things that others did not, he would have a different appreciation for life, etc. Jesus resurrected Lazarus for a reason, it was also a sort of foreshadowing when he would be resurrected from the dead by the power of God after being in a tomb for three days. As for the Elisha example that Selihah mentioned it was not by the power of Elisha, that that person was brought back from the dead but by the power of God in Elisha that did it that he got from Elijah. It talks about this in 2 Kings 2.

b. Also when Jesus resurrected he still had a physical body but he also had a spiritual body. So he had a precursor to the body that Christians will have when it is the time to get our new bodies. A resurrected body.

God bless.
 
willfollowsGod said:
a. It is not a cruel joke to be brought back to life to face the problems in life and death again. If a person like Lazarus was resurrected he would know things that others did not, he would have a different appreciation for life, etc. Jesus resurrected Lazarus for a reason, it was also a sort of foreshadowing when he would be resurrected from the dead by the power of God after being in a tomb for three days.
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What I wanted to imply was, Lazarus didn't go anywhere during his dead. He was asleep in earth awaiting for resurrection. If he did go anywhere nice, it could be a cruel joke on him. But I agree with you in saying whoever brought back from dead to life would or should have a different appreciation for life.
As for the Elisha example that Selihah mentioned it was not by the power of Elisha, that that person was brought back from the dead but by the power of God in Elisha that did it that he got from Elijah. It talks about this in 2 Kings 2.
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Sorry I was referring to Moses and Elijah whom appeared with Yeshua on the mountain before the disciples.
b. Also when Jesus resurrected he still had a physical body but he also had a spiritual body. So he had a precursor to the body that Christians will have when it is the time to get our new bodies. A resurrected body.
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Is it what's called a glorified body?
 
The Bible uses the same terms for Lazarus being asleep as it does for Tabitha (Acts 9:40) and the same phrase is used for the men who "slept" in Matthew 27:52.
It is disingenuous to say these are Old Testament saints. These were men that had died recently. They were given life as a miracle, not a part of the Resurrection on the Last Day. This was temporary life, to further the Kingdom and glorify God.
There is nothing cruel about giving someone more time to do God's will on earth. This was proof of Jesus' power over death! These men did not receive glorified bodies when they woke from their "sleep".

Jesus did have a physical body, which He proved by eating with the disciples, and proved that it was a glorified body by His ability to appear into their midst.
Lazarus did not have a glorified body upon resurrection, nor did the the other men, or Tabitha.
They died after.
They will be resurrected again on the Last Day.
 
Sanashankar said:
This event occurred after Christ was resurrected.

Mt 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mt 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection (Jesus Christ), and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.


You can read-
Secret Number 36
'Out of the Graves' after Christ's Resurrection
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This event occured at the moment Jesus died . The after the resurrection is stating that it was a vision

The soilders saw it also at the point in time Jesus died . Thus the after means that it was shewing the future

matt 27
[SUP]50 [/SUP]Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
[SUP]51 [/SUP]And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
[SUP]52 [/SUP]And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
[SUP]53 [/SUP]And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
[SUP]54 [/SUP]Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.


 
Sanashankar said:
This event occurred after Christ was resurrected.

Mt 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mt 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection (Jesus Christ), and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.


You can read-
Secret Number 36
'Out of the Graves' after Christ's Resurrection
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i have read it but it still says there was a resurection well i do not believe that but that it was a vision of things to come
 
capumetu said:
The answer is none. The first resurrection (Rev 20:6) of the saints as you call them would not occur until after Jesus received the kingship in heaven.
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In fact it occurs at His return...

1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
 
Isdaniel said:
i have read it but it still says there was a resurection well i do not believe that but that it was a vision of things to come
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This was a resurrection back to physical life. If it is indeed the resurrection to immortality, there is a contradiction in scripture...

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

And Christ says there are no contradictions...

Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
 
In response to above quotation, I will present these verses to support three scripture evidence.

Deut 16:6, Heb 10:29, Is 8:20, Is 28:9-13, Is 34:16, John 8:17, Mt 18:15-16, 2 Cor 13:1

Evidence number one:
These two verses of Mt 27:52-53 present contradictions which are against the above scriptures and do not have support of two or three witnesses where the word of God stands.

Evidence number two:
The bodies of the sleeping saints were raised at his death according to verse 52. That was impossible if Jesus has to have the preeminence of all things (Col 1:18). And also being the first fruit of them who slept (1 Cor 15:20).

Evidence number three:
In the verse 53, it said "And they went out of their graves after His resurrection". Here we need to pause and examine this verse. First, they were raised at Jesus' death and they went out of their graves after His resurrection. That is impossible also. Here is the reason why.

Because Jesus said "I am the resurrection and the life". How were they raised if Jesus was dead? And He himself has said "He that believeth in me hath everlasting life and I will raise him at the last day" (John 6:40). Martha knew this to be true (John 11:24). And those who believed in Jesus will be raised at His coming (1 Cor 15:23).

The above three scriptural evidence have no mate to themselves (Is 34:16) Neither two or three witnesses (Deut 17:6) and none of the above verses posted, allow us to accept them as true (Mt 27:52-53) but as another typical insertion (1John 5:7 - which the translators admit this is an insertion).
 
john832 said:
This was a resurrection back to physical life. If it is indeed the resurrection to immortality, there is a contradiction in scripture...

1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

And Christ says there are no contradictions...

Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
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No resurrection actually took place the bible says after Jesus resurecion so were the saints resurected at Jesus death then waited 3 days to enter the city that does not make sense
 
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