When the Devil became a Murderer and a Liar?

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I am not a Devil's Advocate.
I believe in God that said although he is using man's words but different in meaning. Shall I say Man's Words but Heavenly Meaning.
ISAIAH 55:8-9
8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

If we use our thoughts in reading the Words of God, then Devil is not a liar and Murderer. What come up is God is the Liar and the Murderer.

But if we humble ourselves (means not to use our own understanding in reading the words of God) God will send us A Divine Revelation and explain to us that the Devil is a Liar and a Murderer.

This is why God gave us the warning:
PROVERBS 3:5
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
And lean not on your own understanding;

Look at the Jews in the New Testament.
They use their thoughts in listening Jesus words instead of humbling themselves.
They thought that Jesus is referring to Literal Physical Temple.
JOHN 2:19-21
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

Because the Jews leaned in their own understanding they believe Jesus is a Liar.
MATTHEW 27:40
40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.
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Can anyone recognize who the Devil is or Only Jesus Christ can describe or introduce who Satan is?
 
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Roger did NOT defend satan and it is absurd to state otherwise. If you actually think I did, then you were unable to comprehend anything that was posted. Maybe you need to cut back on your coffee intake.
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Thunder has a propensity for making absurd remarks..... and then goes off to licks his wounds when people tell him so.

While feeling down he likes attracting the sympathy some give him when he plays the victim ...


So,. you should expect absurd ideas from him 'when the spirits" move him to think as he does.
 
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Godswilling said:
Can anyone recognize who the Devil is or Only Jesus Christ can describe or introduce who Satan is?
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Therefore: By Knowing The True Identity of Jesus Christ is the only way to recognize the identity of Satan.
 
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Godswilling said:
Therefore: By Knowing The True Identity of Jesus Christ is the only way to recognize the identity of Satan.
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Could someone tell me please? Why did this notion get started?
 
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Genez said:
Thunder has a propensity for making absurd remarks..... and then goes off to licks his wounds when people tell him so.

While feeling down he likes attracting the sympathy some give him when he plays the victim ...


So,. you should expect absurd ideas from him 'when the spirits" move him to think as he does.
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Back to gossiping again I see.

Do you ever give up on having someone as a villain in which to preach.

Sometime you do but not most

You understand what backsliding mean
 
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Genez said:
Thunder has a propensity for making absurd remarks..... and then goes off to licks his wounds when people tell him so.

While feeling down he likes attracting the sympathy some give him when he plays the victim ...


So,. you should expect absurd ideas from him 'when the spirits" move him to think as he does.
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I think i recognise your language now,

I can't remember the user name but he joined the same time as you and he is banned. Always casting demons on to people and demonising people with his hate.

Always calling people this and that.

It's you isn't it.


Do you ever let sleeping dogs lie down.

You know it's not Good that you should keep raking the past up.

It will come back to haunt you ..

What was his name now let me see, he was always hating Calvinists like you too.

Hows your gay brother these days, have you managed to save him yet by beating him into your submission, oh lord and master
 
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Genez said:
Thunder has a propensity for making absurd remarks..... and then goes off to licks his wounds when people tell him so.

While feeling down he likes attracting the sympathy some give him when he plays the victim ...


So,. you should expect absurd ideas from him 'when the spirits" move him to think as he does.
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yep ive realised who you are

Your the watchers aren't you, previous banned member.
 
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Thunderrr-mental said:
Back to gossiping again I see.

Do you ever give up on having someone as a villain in which to preach.

Sometime you do but not most

You understand what backsliding mean
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I see why you like to make stuff up and babble like you do.

You are trying to make us forget and side stepped that you are not a real prophet and you listen to spirits.

You need to repent and find the one True Spirit that guides into all truth... not lies and false notions.

:coffee::coffee::coffee: You are the one who claimed to be a prophet. Now live with it.
 
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Genez said:
I see why you like to make stuff up and babble like you do.

You are trying to make us forget and side stepped that you are not a real prophet and you listen to spirits.

You need to repent and find the one True Spirit that guides into all truth... not lies and false notions.

:coffee::coffee::coffee: You are the one who claimed to be a prophet. Now live with it.
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yes the other username the watchers you had. Was always insulting like you to, in every post he would insult then have a friendly gesture at the end.

Because in his head he thinks he's justified to belittle people.

And to him all his hate was justified.

You know one day you may let go of your bitter seed, but I doubt it.

And your silly Attempts to set up all theese victim cards, to be lord and master is pathetic
 
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Godswilling said:
Therefore: By Knowing The True Identity of Jesus Christ is the only way to recognize the identity of Satan.
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Therefore: we can't discern Satan action if we don't know The Real Jesus Christ by the Apostle.

Who is The Lord Jesus Christ?

This is what Peter Simon said when he asked by The Real Jesus.
MATTHEW 15:15-16
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Every person believing the Holy Bible is saying the same to Jesus, that he is The Christ and The Son of The Living God.

What is the difference from what Peter said?
Simon Peter said to Jesus (Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God) it is A Divine Revelation from The Father.
Yes, it requires a miracle before Simon Peter said to Jesus (Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God)
MATTHEW 15:15-17
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

I never heard this to my preacher that it requires a miracle to recognize Jesus.
 
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Godswilling said:
Therefore: we can't discern Satan action if we don't know The Real Jesus Christ by the Apostle.

Who is The Lord Jesus Christ?

This is what Peter Simon said when he asked by The Real Jesus.
MATTHEW 15:15-16
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Every person believing the Holy Bible is saying the same to Jesus, that he is The Christ and The Son of The Living God.

What is the difference from what Peter said?
Simon Peter said to Jesus (Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God) it is A Divine Revelation from The Father.
Yes, it requires a miracle before Simon Peter said to Jesus (Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God)
MATTHEW 15:15-17
15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

I never heard this to my preacher that it requires a miracle to recognize Jesus.
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When Simon Peter said to Jesus, " You are the Christ" And according to Jesus that is a miracle from the Father.
God the Father will reveal to us why it was a miracle.

We all know that the meaning of CHRIST is SAVIOR. If Jesus is the Christ or Savior but God the Father claimed that God the Father is the Savior alone and no one else.
As we know, the God speaking in the Old Testament is God the Father.
This is what God the father said,
ISAIAH 43:10-11
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

We know that there are lot of verse in the Bible that Jesus is a Savior and this is one of them.
LUKE 2:11
11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

If the Real Jesus is the Savior and God the Father is the Savior Alone.
It really needs a miracle or A Divine Revelation to understand this.
 
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Godswilling said:
When Simon Peter said to Jesus, " You are the Christ" And according to Jesus that is a miracle from the Father.
God the Father will reveal to us why it was a miracle.

We all know that the meaning of CHRIST is SAVIOR. If Jesus is the Christ or Savior but God the Father claimed that God the Father is the Savior alone and no one else.
As we know, the God speaking in the Old Testament is God the Father.
This is what God the father said,
ISAIAH 43:10-11
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.

We know that there are lot of verse in the Bible that Jesus is a Savior and this is one of them.
LUKE 2:11
11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

If the Real Jesus is the Savior and God the Father is the Savior Alone.
It really needs a miracle or A Divine Revelation to understand this.
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If Jesus is The Savior and Gid the Father claimed that God the Father is the Savior.

This what God the Father said:
God the Father made his testament and he said to be a God unto thee.
GENESIS 17:7
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

But God revealed to Paul that any testament is no use if the testator or the maker of the testator live.
HEBREWS 9:16-17
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Because God the Father who made a testament is a Spirit God and will not die.
So that God the Father will fulfill his testament by his own death, this is what God the Father did.
He became a man and it should not be an issue.
1 TIMOTHY 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
 
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Godswilling said:
If Jesus is The Savior and Gid the Father claimed that God the Father is the Savior.

This what God the Father said:
God the Father made his testament and he said to be a God unto thee.
GENESIS 17:7
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

But God revealed to Paul that any testament is no use if the testator or the maker of the testator live.
HEBREWS 9:16-17
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Because God the Father who made a testament is a Spirit God and will not die.
So that God the Father will fulfill his testament by his own death, this is what God the Father did.
He became a man and it should not be an issue.
1 TIMOTHY 3:16
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
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If Jesus is the Savior and God the Father claimed that God the Father is the Savior alone and no one else.
With this Divine Revelation Genesis 17:7, Hebrews 9:16-17 & 1 Timothy 3:16 God the Father is telling the Truth
PSALMS 31:5
5 Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O Lord God of truth.

And Jesus is also telling the Truth.
JOHN 14:6
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Therefore: Simon Peter had the Divine Revelation when he said to Jesus You Are The Christ
MATTHEW 15:16-17
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
 
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Godswilling said:
If Jesus is the Savior and God the Father claimed that God the Father is the Savior alone and no one else.
With this Divine Revelation Genesis 17:7, Hebrews 9:16-17 & 1 Timothy 3:16 God the Father is telling the Truth
PSALMS 31:5
5 Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O Lord God of truth.

And Jesus is also telling the Truth.
JOHN 14:6
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Therefore: Simon Peter had the Divine Revelation when he said to Jesus You Are The Christ
MATTHEW 15:16-17
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
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In this verse; God The Father is pointing out to somebody. He said I am he.
ISAIAH 43:10
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I AM HE: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Look what Jesus said regarding God the Father pointing out somebody.
And Jesus gave a warning. Whoever is not believing will face damnation in hell.
JOHN 8:24
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins.
 
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Godswilling said:
In this verse; God The Father is pointing out to somebody. He said I am he.
ISAIAH 43:10
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I AM HE: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Look what Jesus said regarding God the Father pointing out somebody.
And Jesus gave a warning. Whoever is not believing will face damnation in hell.
JOHN 8:24
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins.
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In support that Jesus is the Christ or means The Savior or The Father.

Isiah being a prophet of God he emphasized that Jesus is God the Father:
ISAIAH 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace.

And in so many verses, Jesus claimed that he is God The Father.
JOHN 8:19
19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Jesus even claimed that he is The God of Abraham;
JOHN 8:58
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
 
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Godswilling said:
According to Jesus, he is speaking the truth all the time.

JOHN 14:6
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Then Jesus express the description of the Devil:
The Devil is a Murderer and a Liar.

JOHN 8:44
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a LIAR, and the father of it.
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Yep you’re right. Says it right there in scripture.
 
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Godswilling said:
In support that Jesus is the Christ or means The Savior or The Father.

Isiah being a prophet of God he emphasized that Jesus is God the Father:
ISAIAH 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace.

And in so many verses, Jesus claimed that he is God The Father.
JOHN 8:19
19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.

Jesus even claimed that he is The God of Abraham;
JOHN 8:58
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
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Let us not forget, when Simon Peter said to Jesus, You are the Christ and the Son of the Living God.
The 2 characters of Jesus revealed by God The Father.
MATTHEW 15:16-17
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Christ means Savior and Savior is God The Father (Isiah 43:11)
How about YOU ARE THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD which is also revealed by The Father?
 
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Godswilling said:
Let us not forget, when Simon Peter said to Jesus, You are the Christ and the Son of the Living God.
The 2 characters of Jesus revealed by God The Father.
MATTHEW 15:16-17
16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Christ means Savior and Savior is God The Father (Isiah 43:11)
How about YOU ARE THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD which is also revealed by The Father?
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This is what God The Father revealed to Simon Peter for Jesus as The Son of The Living God.
Jesus serves as a model.
1 PETER 2:21
21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

Therefore: Jesus in his 1 body he has a 2 ROLES.
Role of a Father & Role of A Son.

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Godswilling said:
This is what God The Father revealed to Simon Peter for Jesus as The Son of The Living God.
Jesus serves as a model.
1 PETER 2:21
21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

Therefore: Jesus in his 1 body he has a 2 ROLES.
Role of a Father & Role of A Son.

mmm
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There are lot of bible verses showing Jesus as God The Father:
MATTHEW 28:17-18
17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
 
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Godswilling said:
There are lot of bible verses showing Jesus as God The Father:
MATTHEW 28:17-18
17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
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ISAIAH 9:6-7
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

JOHN 20:27-28
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
 
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