Before the Meal: In John 13:1-2, John notes that Jesus knew his hour had come to depart this world "before the Passover Feast." Mark, Luke and John say no. Jesus was crucified after the passover feast. What do your believe?
When was Jesus crucified?
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I fig John knows Jesus best.So I'll go with the offering lamb.
John explicitly states that the day Jesus died was "the day of Preparation of the Passover" (John 19:14). This means Jesus was hanging on the cross at the exact time the Passover lambs were being slaughtered in the Temple
John explicitly states that the day Jesus died was "the day of Preparation of the Passover" (John 19:14). This means Jesus was hanging on the cross at the exact time the Passover lambs were being slaughtered in the Temple
I find this to be a tricky question because in the 30's 1st century there were two different calendars with two different days for the Passover that were consistently two days apart. But I will argue that Jesus was crucified on the day before the official Jewish Passover. I might also note that this allows the Last Supper to have been a Passover feast of Wednesday night, Jesus arrested Thursday morning and all the necessary back and forth with the Sanhedrin, Pilate and Antipas as well as the scourging, then has all day Thursday and into Friday morning to take place. Otherwise, you have a lot of activity crammed into a very short time with very little time to get from one place to another and people must be immediately available, which usually does not happen.
Jesus knew that his hour had come. Do you interpret that to mean it happened right then?
The gospel record is that Jesus ate the Passover meal with His disciples. Why believe anything else?
I agree with you on this, there were different beliefs and cultures even though all were Jewish. I thank you for your input it brought back those files locked away in this old man's mind.
You still look like a puppy! j/k.
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Oops thanks...fat fingers or spell check,You still look like a puppy! j/k.
that's my Zoey my pup pup she never leaves my side.
Sweet! My daughter's aunt's dog is 15, recently deaf, and forced to be vegetarian for health reasons... but the way sheOops thanks...fat fingers or spell check,
prances around and plays while on beach walks you would never know it, and people still ask, "How old is your puppy?"
Both their dogs are darlings, so happy and well behaved and eager to please
They holiday with them LOL
Sweet! My daughter's aunt's dog is 15, recently deaf, and forced to be vegetarian for health reasons... but the way she
prances around and plays while on beach walks you would never know it, and people still ask, "How old is your puppy?"
Both their dogs are darlings, so happy and well behaved and eager to please
My son just got a shepherd from the Czech Republic this week to train. 8 months old, beautiful. He has another dog that he trained for sensing water leaking from canal system. He developed a method that the dog can smell different waters and determine a leak with 100% accuracy to help our state maintain maintance on the system. His dog makes more money than I ever did.
Zoey was 4 in May of this yr. And yes she is a spoiled brat.
words are important
hóra: Hour, time, season
Christ was saying "the Time has come", not the exact hour had come.
not that tricky
The disagreement centered around two primary practices:
- The 14th of Nisan: Christians in Asia Minor (the eastern region) celebrated Pascha on the 14th of the lunar month of Nisan, regardless of which day of the week it fell on. This aligned with the Jewish calendar and the day the Paschal lamb was historically sacrificed.
- The Following Sunday: Christians in Rome and the western regions celebrated the holiday always on the Sunday following the 14th of Nisan, to specifically observe the day of Christ's resurrection
Plus one has to disregard the only sign Christ gave that HE IS the Son of God, 3 days and 3 nights in the earth.
Fact: placed in tomb moments before sundown, after 3 - 12 hour days and 3 - 12 hour nights the resurrection had to take place moments before SUNSET -- not at sunrise!
I do not believe one thing coming out of Rome.
Below is an excellent article to help address the confusion between the “Last Supper” and the Passover Seder.
In brief, the Galilean Jews (Jesus and his disciples) and the Judean Jews in Jerusalem did not keep the exact same schedule for Passover. The Galileans celebrated an earlier meal called the “Last Supper” in preparation for a fast kept on the day of preparation. This fast, called the “Fast of the Firstborn” (Ta’anit Bechorot) was kept by first-born Galileans. It acknowledged their debt to God for passing them over in Egypt.
I found this helpful.
jesusamazinggrace.com
In brief, the Galilean Jews (Jesus and his disciples) and the Judean Jews in Jerusalem did not keep the exact same schedule for Passover. The Galileans celebrated an earlier meal called the “Last Supper” in preparation for a fast kept on the day of preparation. This fast, called the “Fast of the Firstborn” (Ta’anit Bechorot) was kept by first-born Galileans. It acknowledged their debt to God for passing them over in Egypt.
I found this helpful.
Jesus – Yeshua’s Last Passover or “Last Supper”
***All Jewish days go from Sunset to Sunset… this makes it difficult for those of us who are orientated to the Gregorian calendar and not the the Judean Calendar. I will try to help you under…
jesusamazinggrace.com
Below is an excellent article to help address the confusion between the “Last Supper” and the Passover Seder.
In brief, the Galilean Jews (Jesus and his disciples) and the Judean Jews in Jerusalem did not keep the exact same schedule for Passover. The Galileans celebrated an earlier meal called the “Last Supper” in preparation for a fast kept on the day of preparation. This fast, called the “Fast of the Firstborn” (Ta’anit Bechorot) was kept by first-born Galileans. It acknowledged their debt to God for passing them over in Egypt.
I found this helpful.
Jesus – Yeshua’s Last Passover or “Last Supper”
***All Jewish days go from Sunset to Sunset… this makes it difficult for those of us who are orientated to the Gregorian calendar and not the the Judean Calendar. I will try to help you under…
I began keeping Passover in 1970 so I know more than most.
the confusion is massive among Sunday Christians
Passover is the 14th day of God's first month, it is called the preparation day, it is the day leaven is removed from your home and when the Temple was still in use, the day the Passover lamb was slain in the after noon, it is the same day Christ was bleed to death at our 3:00 PM.
At sunset ending the 14th, the Passover lamb was eaten, and that day is the 15th which begins the Feast of Unleavened Bread which last 7 days.
interesting fact, there has always been a full moon on the night of the 15th as the Feast of Unleavened Bread began. that is the middle of one of God's months.
As for as this fast of the first born, that was for a male that was the first born of his father and mother only, not every one.
Below is an excellent article to help address the confusion between the “Last Supper” and the Passover Seder.
In brief, the Galilean Jews (Jesus and his disciples) and the Judean Jews in Jerusalem did not keep the exact same schedule for Passover. The Galileans celebrated an earlier meal called the “Last Supper” in preparation for a fast kept on the day of preparation. This fast, called the “Fast of the Firstborn” (Ta’anit Bechorot) was kept by first-born Galileans. It acknowledged their debt to God for passing them over in Egypt.
I found this helpful.
Jesus – Yeshua’s Last Passover or “Last Supper”
***All Jewish days go from Sunset to Sunset… this makes it difficult for those of us who are orientated to the Gregorian calendar and not the the Judean Calendar. I will try to help you under…
Its interesting that both of you mentioned the first born. Would one or both of you comment on the tradition of the first born son to show how the story of the 30 pieces of silver fit into it?
the prophecy in Zechariah 11 concerns Judas and his 30 pieces of silver.
the first born Son of God was betrayed for 30 pieces of silver
I do not know how it fits in with the fast of the first born, but my guess they connected it to Zechariah's prophecy
Matthew 26
14Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went unto the chief priests, 15And said [unto them], What will ye give me, and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with him for thirty pieces of silver. 16And from that time he sought opportunity to betray him.
Zechariah 11
12And I said unto them, If ye think good, give [me] my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty [pieces] of silver. 13And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty [pieces] of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD.
Im sorry I worded my request wrong.
So you think since both mention first born the 30 silver pcs had anything to do with first born son redemption?
The Fast of the First Born is obviously traced back to the exodus. But like most things religious it is never that simple.
Some later Jewish groups tied this fast to a celebration of the salvation of the Jews from the plot of Haman. This is because Haman advanced his plot on the thirteenth of Nisan. It appears different Jewish groups instituted different requirements for the fast. In any case it is well established that Galatian Jews began the fast with the Last Supper.
Some later Jewish groups tied this fast to a celebration of the salvation of the Jews from the plot of Haman. This is because Haman advanced his plot on the thirteenth of Nisan. It appears different Jewish groups instituted different requirements for the fast. In any case it is well established that Galatian Jews began the fast with the Last Supper.