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I think these discussions are good because many reading on perhaps may be JW. God can work through the words here if he so chooses. I think he will.Where Is Prince Now?
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I think these discussions are good because many reading on perhaps may be JW. God can work through the words here if he so chooses. I think he will.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:8
If we are saved by what we believe then why do we need a savior?
Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:9
Then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God then is it not written "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of LORD doth man live."?
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
John 5:25
I see some mentioned there are three post about Prince? I for one was sadden by his passing and my prayer are with his family. We cannot do anything more with those who have passed on but he did have a mother, and other family members. My hope is that God would comfort them at this time.
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There are 3 separate threads in 3 separate forums on Prince and where he is now.. Could you please pm me, CS1?
you want me to pm you? ok
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†. 1Cor 15:1-4 . . Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I
preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, by which
also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless
you believed in vain.
. . . For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that
Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that he was buried,
and that he was raised on the third day
Were you to ask John Q and/or Jane Doe Watchtower Society missionary if
they believe that Jesus Christ rose from the dead, I can assure you they
would answer in the affirmative. However, what you may not know is that
you and they would not be on the same page as the conversation would be
talking about two very different processes that go by the same name. In
other words: you would find yourself thrown off by semantic double speak.
The standard Christian understanding of Christ's resurrection is common
throughout the gospels; viz: Jesus Christ died as a physical human being
and he came back as a physical human being as per John 2:19-22.
But according to the Watchtower Society's way of seeing things; Christ didn't
return from death physically at all; and here's why.
In Watch Tower Society theology, an angel named Michael volunteered to
come to the earth to die for humanity's sins. But in order to do so; he had to
relinquish his angel existence to become a human being seeing as how in
Society theology it is impossible for someone to exist as a spirit being and a
human being simultaneously. Thus when Michael's so-called "life force" was
transferred to flesh and given the name Jesus; he became not only a
different species of life, but a whole other person too; viz: except for his so
called "life force" Michael the angel ceased to exist.
But Michael's existence as a human being was only temporary. When his
human existence passed away on the cross, the rumor is that God
transferred Michael's life force back into his angel corpse and restored him to
his former spirit existence; thus leaving his human corpse in a permanent
state of decease.
There is a really, really big hole in the Society's theology; and that's the
dead man's corpse. In order to confirm that Jesus stayed dead, the Society
is going to have produce his remains. A piece of evidence of that significance
can't be allowed to just slip through a crack unnoticed as if it makes no
difference
†. Acts 1:1-3 . .The first account, O Theophilus, I composed about all the
things Jesus started both to do and to teach, until the day that he was taken
up, after he had given commandment through holy spirit to the apostles
whom he chose. To these also by many positive proofs he showed himself
alive after he had suffered.
Did Jesus really show himself alive by many positive proofs after he had
suffered? Not according to the Watch Tower Society. In their theology,
Michael the angel showed himself alive by means of a materialized body that
resembled his alter ego in every way-- nail prints and spear wound to boot
--because Michael's human body had to stay dead in order for him to regain
his angel body.
There are some seriously fatal flaws in that theory.
1• The New Testament never even one time, on any occasion, nor under any
circumstances, nor in any situation, either attests, alleges, alludes, or states
that an angel named Michael appeared in Christ's human form cloaked in a
materialized body.
2• Michael the angel never once identities himself as Michael the angel when
allegedly appearing in a materialized body.
3• Passing one's self off in the guise of a dead man is the lowest form of
identity theft imaginable. People do it all the time; and it's what I expect
from human beings, but that is not the kind of behavior I have a right to
expect from an arch angel.
4• A so-called materialized body is not a real person; it's an avatar.
5• Neither Paul, nor Peter, nor John, nor James, nor Jude, ever even one
single time in any of their writings correlate Jesus Christ with Michael the
angel: not once. You'd think that if Michael the angel was Jesus Christ, that
those men would have said so because that would be a really big deal.
If Prince didn't believe Jesus Christ's crucified body revived, then according to
1Cor 15:1-4 he departed this life an unsaved man.
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†. 1Cor 15:1-4 . . Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I
preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, by which
also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless
you believed in vain.
. . . For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that
Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that he was buried,
and that he was raised on the third day
Were you to ask John Q and/or Jane Doe Watchtower Society missionary if
they believe that Jesus Christ rose from the dead, I can assure you they
would answer in the affirmative. However, what you may not know is that
you and they would not be on the same page as the conversation would be
talking about two very different processes that go by the same name. In
other words: you would find yourself thrown off by semantic double speak.
The standard Christian understanding of Christ's resurrection is common
throughout the gospels; viz: Jesus Christ died as a physical human being
and he came back as a physical human being as per John 2:19-22.
But according to the Watchtower Society's way of seeing things; Christ didn't
return from death physically at all; and here's why.
In Watch Tower Society theology, an angel named Michael volunteered to
come to the earth to die for humanity's sins. But in order to do so; he had to
relinquish his angel existence to become a human being seeing as how in
Society theology it is impossible for someone to exist as a spirit being and a
human being simultaneously. Thus when Michael's so-called "life force" was
transferred to flesh and given the name Jesus; he became not only a
different species of life, but a whole other person too; viz: except for his so
called "life force" Michael the angel ceased to exist.
But Michael's existence as a human being was only temporary. When his
human existence passed away on the cross, the rumor is that God
transferred Michael's life force back into his angel corpse and restored him to
his former spirit existence; thus leaving his human corpse in a permanent
state of decease.
There is a really, really big hole in the Society's theology; and that's the
dead man's corpse. In order to confirm that Jesus stayed dead, the Society
is going to have produce his remains. A piece of evidence of that significance
can't be allowed to just slip through a crack unnoticed as if it makes no
difference
†. Acts 1:1-3 . .The first account, O Theophilus, I composed about all the
things Jesus started both to do and to teach, until the day that he was taken
up, after he had given commandment through holy spirit to the apostles
whom he chose. To these also by many positive proofs he showed himself
alive after he had suffered.
Did Jesus really show himself alive by many positive proofs after he had
suffered? Not according to the Watch Tower Society. In their theology,
Michael the angel showed himself alive by means of a materialized body that
resembled his alter ego in every way-- nail prints and spear wound to boot
--because Michael's human body had to stay dead in order for him to regain
his angel body.
There are some seriously fatal flaws in that theory.
1• The New Testament never even one time, on any occasion, nor under any
circumstances, nor in any situation, either attests, alleges, alludes, or states
that an angel named Michael appeared in Christ's human form cloaked in a
materialized body.
2• Michael the angel never once identities himself as Michael the angel when
allegedly appearing in a materialized body.
3• Passing one's self off in the guise of a dead man is the lowest form of
identity theft imaginable. People do it all the time; and it's what I expect
from human beings, but that is not the kind of behavior I have a right to
expect from an arch angel.
4• A so-called materialized body is not a real person; it's an avatar.
5• Neither Paul, nor Peter, nor John, nor James, nor Jude, ever even one
single time in any of their writings correlate Jesus Christ with Michael the
angel: not once. You'd think that if Michael the angel was Jesus Christ, that
those men would have said so because that would be a really big deal.
If Prince didn't believe Jesus Christ's crucified body revived, then according to
1Cor 15:1-4 he departed this life an unsaved man.
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Why not just go through an obituary and start picking names to ask the same question. He was just another human who died.
I assumed that was what the question was about, since there is no way in the world that we can know where his soul is at this point. That knowledge is WAY above our pay grade....
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RobbyEarl
Guest
He is dead and probably in hell unless he accepted Christ and I have no idea if he did or didn't enough already
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jaybird88
Guest
I was dreamin' when I wrote this
Forgive me if it goes astray
But when I woke up this mornin'
Coulda sworn it was judgment day . . . .
Forgive me if it goes astray
But when I woke up this mornin'
Coulda sworn it was judgment day . . . .
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dalconn
Guest
JOHN 3:5-7
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. [SUP]7 [/SUP]You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You[SUP][c][/SUP] must be born again
If Prince, or anyone else for that matter, lines up with the Word then there is no guessing as to where they are going[SUB][SUP]
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[SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. [SUP]7 [/SUP]You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You[SUP][c][/SUP] must be born again
If Prince, or anyone else for that matter, lines up with the Word then there is no guessing as to where they are going
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†. 1Cor 15:4 . . He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.
One of the primo scriptures related to Christ's recovery is located in the
Psalms.
†. Ps 16:8-10 . . I have placed Jehovah in front of me constantly. Because
he is at my right hand, I shall not be made to totter. Therefore my heart
does rejoice, and my glory is inclined to be joyful. Also, my own flesh will
reside in security. For you will not leave my soul in Sheol. You will not allow
your loyal one to see the pit.
According to Acts 2:25-31, that passage in the 16th Psalm speaks of Christ;
particularly that his crucified body was not left to putrefaction.
Another scripture speaking of Christ's recovery, is the story of Jonah.
†. Matt 12:40 . . For just as Jonah was in the belly of the huge fish three
days and three nights, so the Son of man will be in the heart of the earth
three days and three nights.
Was Jonah alive in the fish? Yes. The whole time? No.
At some point in Jonah's nautical adventure he went to a place called sheol
(Jonah 2:2) which he described as the bottoms of the mountains (Jonah
2:6).
The bottoms of the mountains aren't located in the tummies of fish, no;
they're located down deep in the earth.
Now when you think about it, Christ's corpse wasn't interred in the heart of
the earth. In point of fact it was interred on the surface of the earth in a
rock-hewn tomb. So then, in order for Christ to be down in the heart of the
earth while up on the surface too-- literally two places at once --he and his
body had to part company and go separate ways.
Just before being vomited ashore, Jonah prayed thus:
†. Jonah 2:6 . .To the bottoms of the mountains I went down. As for the
earth, its bars were upon me for time indefinite. But out of the pit you
proceeded to bring up my life, O Jehovah my God.
The Hebrew word for "pit" in that verse is the very same word for "pit" in Ps
16:8-10; which Acts 2:25-31 verifies is speaking of putrefaction. In other
words: Jonah 2:6 is the language of resurrection.
So then, just as Jonah's soul was not left in sheol, neither was Christ's. And
just as Jonah's body was not left to decompose, neither was Christ's. So
then, both men came back from death as normal human beings rather than
spirit beings. If that were not so, then the story of Jonah would be a pretty
useless parallel to Christ's story.
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†. 1Cor 15:4 . . He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.
One of the primo scriptures related to Christ's recovery is located in the
Psalms.
†. Ps 16:8-10 . . I have placed Jehovah in front of me constantly. Because
he is at my right hand, I shall not be made to totter. Therefore my heart
does rejoice, and my glory is inclined to be joyful. Also, my own flesh will
reside in security. For you will not leave my soul in Sheol. You will not allow
your loyal one to see the pit.
According to Acts 2:25-31, that passage in the 16th Psalm speaks of Christ;
particularly that his crucified body was not left to putrefaction.
Another scripture speaking of Christ's recovery, is the story of Jonah.
†. Matt 12:40 . . For just as Jonah was in the belly of the huge fish three
days and three nights, so the Son of man will be in the heart of the earth
three days and three nights.
Was Jonah alive in the fish? Yes. The whole time? No.
At some point in Jonah's nautical adventure he went to a place called sheol
(Jonah 2:2) which he described as the bottoms of the mountains (Jonah
2:6).
The bottoms of the mountains aren't located in the tummies of fish, no;
they're located down deep in the earth.
Now when you think about it, Christ's corpse wasn't interred in the heart of
the earth. In point of fact it was interred on the surface of the earth in a
rock-hewn tomb. So then, in order for Christ to be down in the heart of the
earth while up on the surface too-- literally two places at once --he and his
body had to part company and go separate ways.
Just before being vomited ashore, Jonah prayed thus:
†. Jonah 2:6 . .To the bottoms of the mountains I went down. As for the
earth, its bars were upon me for time indefinite. But out of the pit you
proceeded to bring up my life, O Jehovah my God.
The Hebrew word for "pit" in that verse is the very same word for "pit" in Ps
16:8-10; which Acts 2:25-31 verifies is speaking of putrefaction. In other
words: Jonah 2:6 is the language of resurrection.
So then, just as Jonah's soul was not left in sheol, neither was Christ's. And
just as Jonah's body was not left to decompose, neither was Christ's. So
then, both men came back from death as normal human beings rather than
spirit beings. If that were not so, then the story of Jonah would be a pretty
useless parallel to Christ's story.
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In other words: the Society maintains that Jesus' crucified body has to stay
dead so Michael can be an angel again. But that's not the only reason the
Society gives for keeping Jesus' crucified body perpetually deceased.
Another explanation is given on page 237 of the April 15, 1963 issue of the
Watchtower magazine; where it's stated:
"If Jesus were to take his body of flesh, blood, and bones to heaven and
enjoy them there, what would this mean? It would mean that there would be
no resurrection of the dead for anybody. Why not? Because Jesus would be
taking his sacrifice off God's altar."
But the Bible says that were Jesus' crucified body still dead, then God would
have no basis upon which to justify letting people off.
†. Rom 4:25 . . He was delivered up for the sake of our trespasses and was
raised up for the sake of declaring us righteous.
†. 1Cor 15:17 . .Further, if Christ has not been raised up, your faith is useless;
you are yet in your sins.
If perchance Prince went out believing Christ's crucified body is still dead;
and its remains squirreled away somewhere on earth in a condition and a
location known only to God; then he went out an unforgiven man. I don't
think I have to tell you what that means.
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I disagree - i feel that this should be discussed - --- just because someone makes great music does NOT give them the right to preach SIN --- its just doesn't --
I agree let god judge him but i have a feeling that as much SIN as he preached we all know where he is ---
He is dead and in the grave awaiting resurrection. Resurrection to Heaven or resurrection to the Lake of Fire. Did he accept Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior?
If he did then he will spend eternity in Paradise with God. If not then he will spend Eternity in the Lake of Fire with Satan.
The question is not where Prince is now, the question is where will YOU spend Eternity, with God or with Satan!
If he did then he will spend eternity in Paradise with God. If not then he will spend Eternity in the Lake of Fire with Satan.
The question is not where Prince is now, the question is where will YOU spend Eternity, with God or with Satan!
And how does it impact your life knowing where Prince is or isn't? Leave it alone and leave it to God. Because He's the only one that does and that's all that matters.
And just What about his death makes your life any different or impact you in any way? I think you're just looking for controversy.