Where was Jesus for the three days between his death and resurrection?

[cv5]

[QUOTE="HeIsHere, post: 5046207, member: 316104"]Eternal can mean for an age. But I have not resolved all the conflicts in this position yet.[/QUOTE]
Yes the Bible can use that term in different ways depending on the application, however in terms of the state of the saved/unsaved person, this would be a good post that you should carefully examine.

https://christianchat.com/threads/w...is-death-and-resurrection.210204/post-5045898

 

[Cameron143]

Then he didn't die, and our sins are not atoned for.

1 Peter 2:24...He bore our sins in His body...

 

[Mem]

The dead are dormant, inactive, until they are called forth by Jesus. period. In Samuel's case, he was disturbed by a witch, and was not pleased about being woke up.

 

[HeIsHere]

You claimed God cannot experience death. How is it a stretch to then ask if you do not believe Jesus is God?

Either Jesus is God and He experienced death, or something does not add up in what you said.

I will let R C Sproul explain since I am not quite sure if you do not know.

The atonement was made by the human nature of Christ.

Somehow people tend to think that this lessens the dignity or the value of the substitutionary act, as if we were somehow implicitly denying the deity of Christ. God forbid. It's the God-man Who dies, but death is something that is experienced only by the human nature, because the divine nature isn't capable of experiencing death.

This excerpt is taken from The Truth of the Cross by R.C. Sproul.

 

[Artios1]

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The preponderance of evidence indicates Jesus' crucified dead body was
restored to life during the third day rather than after the third day was all
over and done with .

● Matt 17:22-23 . . Jesus said unto them: The Son of man shall be betrayed
into the hands of men: and they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be
raised again.

● Matt 20:18-19 . . Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall
be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall
condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to
scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.

● Mark 9:31 . . He taught his disciples, and said unto them: The Son of man
is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he
is killed, he shall rise the third day.

● Luke 9:22 . .The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by
the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and he must be killed and
on the third day be raised to life.

●Luke 18:33 . . He will be handed over to the Gentiles. They will mock him,
insult him, spit on him, flog him and kill him. On the third day he will rise
again.

● Luke 24:5-8 . . In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to
the ground, but the men said to them: Why do you look for the living among
the dead? He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he
was still with you in Galilee: "The Son of Man must be delivered into the
hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day be raised again."

● Luke 24:21-23 . .We trusted that it had been he which should have
redeemed Israel: and beside all this, today is the third day since these
things were done. Yea, and certain women also of our company made us
astonished, which were early at the sepulcher; and when they found not his
body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which
said that he was alive.

● Luke 24:46 . . He said unto them: Thus it is written, and thus it behooved
Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day

. John 2:19 . . Jesus answered and said to them: Destroy this temple, and in
three days I will raise it up.

● Acts 10:40 . . God raised him up the third day

● 1Cor 15:4 . . he rose again the third day

NOTE: There is some controversy regarding Matt 27:63 and Mark 8:31 due
to the word "after".

To begin with, those verses are outnumbered 11 to 2.

Plus; the Greek word translated "after" is somewhat ambiguous. It can
indicate moments following the conclusion of an event, but it can also
indicate moments within an event. I suggest letting the 11 to 2 majority
decide how best to interpret the intent of Matt 27:63 and Mark 8:31.
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I don’t believe He was raised after … I believe He was raised exactly at 72 hours (according to Jewish reckoning)…. our God is precise. Of course the “exactly at 72 hours” is a personal belief based "on" (not in) scripture and how God does things with meticulous and astounding accuracies. Although scripturally… we can be relatively certain of the time frame

The only the word “after” in reference to when Jesus presented Himself to the spirits in prison. → (“He did not show himself to the imprisoned spirits until after he was raised.”)



A Sign

Mat 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

There are many scripture (aprox 19) that give reference to Jesus being raised the third day …. but this account in Matthew ….. Jesus states that He would be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. That was the sign to the unbelieving scribes and Pharisees to whom He was speaking. And if that was not fulfilled then Jesus’s words were meaningless and the sign was not fulfilled.

Whenever the term day or night is used singularly in the Bible it can mean all or part of a day or evening (night). But the term night (evening) and day together always indicates a 24 hour period.

In Gen 1:5, 8,13,19,&23 …. God sets the standard for a full day… of which Jesus was fully aware of as noted in John 11:9.

Some try to qualify Jesus’s statement of 3 days and 3 nights with their own twisting to suffice religious beliefs with reference to an idiom … The problem is --- they are trying to qualify man’s tradition to fit their belief …but it doesn’t work that way. God sets the standard for truth …not man! …..Man can be right and they can be wrong…. the only way to verify what man states…. is to check it with what God says. My personal belief…. the things I was taught… are irrelevant if they do not line up with the Word of God …and for me…. the Word is the final authority for Truth.

 

[HeIsHere]

The dead are dormant, inactive, until they are called forth by Jesus. period. In Samuel's case, he was disturbed by a witch, and was not pleased about being woke up.

Is this all the dead?

 

[cv5]

His body died, but his soul was very much alive in the heart of the earth. Before he ascended, he first descended into the heart of the earth.

Do you know what hyperspaces are? Non-locality? Higher dimensional spaces and their implications?
The Eternal God inhabiting eternal infinite times and spaces all at once? Without limitation or duration?

I am not purporting doctrine. Not at all. Just pointing out nuances of this verse.

Jhn 3:13
And G2532 no man G3762 hath ascended up G305 to G1519 heaven, G3772 but G1508 he that came down G2597 from G1537 heaven, G3772 even the Son G5207 of man G444 which G3588 is G5607 in G1722 heaven. G377

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g5607/kjv/tr/0-1/
The KJV translates Strong's G5607 in the following manner: being (36x), when ... was (8x), which is (17x), that is (8x), not translated (10x), miscellaneous (81x).

Speech: Verb
Tense: Present
Voice: (No voice stated)
Mood: Participle
Case: Nominative
Number: Singular
Gender: Masculine
Definition of "Present"
Represents a simple statement of fact or reality viewed as occurring in actual time. In most cases this corresponds directly with the English present tense. Some phrases which might be rendered as past tense in English will often occur in the present tense in Greek. These are termed "historical presents," and such occurrences dramatize the event described as if the reader were there watching the event occur. Some English translations render such historical presents in the English past tense, while others permit the tense to remain in the present.

 

[Mem]

Is this all the dead?

Yes. No dead are 'awake,' unless called forth by the Lord. Not even those referred to in any 'visions.' Jesus is the only One who could raise Himself from death.

 

[Magenta]

I will let R C Sproul explain since I am not quite sure if you do not know.

The atonement was made by the human nature of Christ.

Somehow people tend to think that this lessens the dignity or the value of the substitutionary act, as if we were somehow implicitly denying the deity of Christ. God forbid. It's the God-man Who dies, but death is something that is experienced only by the human nature, because the divine nature isn't capable of experiencing death.

This excerpt is taken from The Truth of the Cross by R.C. Sproul.

Odd you do not know after all this time that I say God alone is immortal. Well, there
is no accounting for the things people say, think, believe, and do, is there? In a manner
of speaking, that is .. Especially when so many oppose plain Scripture truths.

 

[HeIsHere]

Odd you do not know I say God alone is immortal after all this time. Well, there
is no accounting for the things people say, think, believe, do, and say, is there?

No one is denying scripture, only your application of it.

Yes God alone has immortality .... read it in context of all of scripture and note that immortality and eternal life are two separate concepts in scripture.

 

[John146]

Then he didn't die, and our sins are not atoned for.

1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

 

[John146]

Then he didn't die, and our sins are not atoned for.

So, you believe Jesus suffered annihilation for three days and three nights?

 

[Magenta]

No one is denying scripture, only your application of it.

Yes God alone has immortality .... read it in context of all of scripture and note that immortality and eternal life are two separate concepts in scripture.

Are you aware that many of your criticisms of others apply to yourself also? How locked in your thinking you are and incapable of seeing what is right in front of your face every single time the many (including you!) deny that the soul of man can be destroyed, can die and will die, can pass out of existence when God so wills at the end of this age? Those many are saying precisely that the soul of man is immortal. Some erroneously claim that Scripture teaches this when it most certainly does not. In FACT, what Scripture teaches, is that it is by grace through faith that we PUT ON Christ's immortality. Non-believers do not do this. It is Christianity 101 yet the many deny it. Repeatedly.

 

[cv5]

Odd you do not know after all this time that I say God alone is immortal. Well, there
is no accounting for the things people say, think, believe, and do, is there? In a manner
of speaking, that is .. Especially when so many oppose plain Scripture truths.

Absolutely God is immortal. Nobody denies this.

Now tell us, how does that detract from His eternal power to either forgive/bless with eternal life (to which you evidently agree) or render condemnation to eternal punishment/torment (to which you evidently DO NOT agree)?

Both of these conditions are eminently supported by Scripture. The latter so overwhelmingly as to annihilate your fanciful objections.

 

[Magenta]

Yes. No dead are 'awake,' unless called forth by the Lord. Not even those referred
to in any 'visions.' Jesus is the only One who could raise Himself from death.

Do you mean to say that sleep is NOT a metaphor for watchful wakeful awareness as some claim? .

Please do not ask me why any would make such a claim. They make no sense.

PS~ I like your "pondering this over coffee" .

 

[HeIsHere]

Are you aware that many of your criticisms of others apply to yourself also?

Except for the fact I have studied this from all sides with an open mind since I am not emotionally invested, many times, have you?

It does not fit, it simply does not.

 

[Webers.Home]

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● Gen 2:7 . . The Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and
breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

The divine process that gave the first man life and existence is not all that
different from the process that restored Jesus' crucified dead body to life.

I should think that if someone can believe in the creation of Man, then
believing in Jesus' resurrection would be even easier to accept 'cause God
had to first construct a body for Adam whereas Jesus' body was completed;
all set to go, ready and waiting in the tomb.

And Jesus' soul was already in existence too. So it was a simple matter for
God to recombine Jesus' principal elements in order to bring him back from
death per Ps 16:8-10 & Acts 2:25-31.
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[Magenta]

Except for the fact I have studied this from all sides with an open mind since I am not emotionally invested, many times, have you?

It does not fit, it simply does not.

I am not inclined to making claims about myself and boasting as some
do about how long and how hard and in what state they have studied.

Sure, it does not fit your mind set. That does not mean it is wrong.

No amount of proofs given will change a closed mind.

 

[HeIsHere]

I am by nature averse to making claims about myself and boasting as some
do about how long and how hard and in what state they have studied.

Just stating a fact, there are many scriptural topics I have not studied and which I do not have a firm understanding.

That you see this as a boast is your projection onto me.

This thread is now toxic and I made New Years resolution.
Moving on.

 

[Magenta]

Just stating a fact, there are many scriptural topics I have not studied and which I do not have a firm understanding.

That you see this as a boast is your projection onto me.

This thread is now toxic and I made New Years resolution.
Moving on.

If you have not seen the boasting in this very thread and many others as well I do not know what to say.

You take it personally because you are emotionally invested despite your claim to the contrary.

Moving on? I see people say that often, but they don't mean it at all.