Which is Biblical 7th Day

[TMS]

gentiles were and are not under the Old Covenant, so Sabbath keeping was never commanded for them.

Is anyone under the old covenant? JEW OR GENTILE
We are all under the new covenant. Paul understood this and Paul didn't say to stop keeping the sabbath.

Rom 3: 30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. 13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: 15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

The law doesn't make you an israelite, faith does, and it is the same for us.
We don't keep the law to be righteous or saved, we keep it because we love Jesus.

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

 

[Magenta]

Romans 13:10

 

[gb9]

Is anyone under the old covenant? JEW OR GENTILE
We are all under the new covenant. Paul understood this and Paul didn't say to stop keeping the sabbath.

Rom 3: 30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also: 12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. 13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: 15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.

The law doesn't make you an israelite, faith does, and it is the same for us.
We don't keep the law to be righteous or saved, we keep it because we love Jesus.

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

and , in the same letter, what does John say the Commands are?

believe on the name of the Son and love one another.

and, as i read today, John calls the Passover " the Jewish Passover"

and as that John referred to the Passover, which was a Israel thing only, it stands to reason that the Sabbath was only kept by the jews, as with the Passover, it was only commanded to them.

 

[Magenta]

and , in the same letter, what does John say the Commands are?

believe on the name of the Son and love one another.

and, as i read today, John calls the Passover " the Jewish Passover"

and as that John referred to the Passover, which was a Israel thing only, it stands to reason that the Sabbath was only kept by the jews, as with the Passover, it was only commanded to them.

... as a foreshadowing of the perfect Lamb of God, Who takes away the sin of the world

 

[JesusLives]

where is the N.T. command for gentiles to keep the Sabbath?

it is not there. See below John verse

the Ten Commands were given to Israel through Moses. Instructions for a 7th day of rest given at creation.

they are part of the Mosaic Covenant. you can not separate them from it.

9 of the 10 were repeated in the N.T. Sabbath was not. See below Revelation

John 14:15

“If ye love me, keep my commandments.”

This would probably pertain to any follower of Jesus.

Revelation 14:12

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

 

[awelight]

7th Day of rest does not fall under the same as Jewish festive days , reason why i say that is 7th day is one of 10 commandments, yes i know the claims that it was only for Jews but 7th day was given at creation and Adam and Eve were not Jews where they. ? If 7th day was and or is not important in New testament or after Christ then where is the biblical (clear) evidence of such claim.

I think we maybe talking past each other... so again I will try to clarify.

I would never suggest, that any of God's most Holy moral standard for us would be done away with. The Ten Commandments are God's moral standard forever. As presented to Moses, it was the "letter" of God's moral standard. This "letter" of the Law proves that we are all guilty of violating that letter. In the similar way, that our laws and statutes are the "letter" of our laws. When one goes to court because of a breach of the law, the court determines the guilt or innocents under the letter of that law. Our courts, are about law - not necessarily about justice. However, God's Holy Law is about law and justice. Since no one can keep the letter of the Law, then all are guilty before God. However, if one is in Christ, then they are free from the servitude and penalty of the letter of the Law.

Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

Jesus Christ gave us the spirit of God's moral Law and not the "letter". (Matthew 22:37-40) Why? Because the Letter was meant to bring about death. The spirit of the Law, was a standard by which to live.

Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

In this same manner, Christ moved the Sabbath from the Jewish Saturday, (Which was the letter of the Law), to the first day of the week or the Lord's Day. (The spirit of the Sabbath law). Please note: It is called the Lord's Day, meaning: something belonging to the Lord. The Lord's Day, is the new Sabbath day for the church because both belong to the Lord.

The observance of the Sabbath Day/Lord’s Day was not a controversy in the early church and the majority of the churches taught and observed in observing the Lord’s Day. Therefore, the Christian Sabbath is still kept today and it is the Lord's Day. Other great men had this to say:

John Bunyan:
"Have a special care to sanctify the Lord's Day; for as thou keepest it, so it will be with thee all the weeklong. Make the Lord s day the market for thy soul; let the whole day be spent in prayer, repetitions, or meditations; lay aside the affairs of the other part of the week; let thy sermon thou hast heard be converted into prayer. Shall God allow thee six days, and wilt thou not afford him one? In the church be careful to serve God, for thou art in his eyes, and not in man's."

Irenaeus Bishop of Lyons, who also lived in the second century, and who was a disciple of Polycarp, who was a companion of apostle John, speaks of the Lord's Day as the Christian Sabbath. "On the Lord's day," said he, "every one of us Christians keeps the Sabbath."
Clement of Alexandria, of the same century, testifies: "A Christian, according to the command of the gospel, observes the Lord's day, thereby glorifying the resurrection of the Lord."

Matthew Henry in his commentary points out, "Those who thought themselves still under some kind of obligation by the ceremonial law esteemed one day above another, kept up a respect to the times of the Passover, Pentecost, new moons, and feast of tabernacles. Those who knew that all these things were abolished by Christ's coming esteemed everyday alike. We must understand with the exception of the Lord's Day, which all Christians unanimously observed. The apostle seems willing to let the ceremonial law wither by degrees, and to let it have an honorable burial."

Therefore, when I hear someone speak of the Sabbath, I assume they mean the Jewish Sabbath. We as Christians do not celebrate both the Sabbath and the Lord's Day. Just the Lord's Day. The new day of rest and worship.

 

[awelight]

The practice of the laws that were a schoolmaster in that they showed how we can be free from sin. Are no longer needed because Christ is our way to be free from sin.
If practise is not required, i can steal, murder, and take the Lords name in vain without worry. No practise mean to continue in sin that grace may abound. I practise no to be saved but because i am saved. I practise because i love the lord. I need the sacrifice because i fail.
No law = no sin = no need for a sacrifice.

I would suggest that one only concern themselves with the two Christ gave in Matthew 22:37-40. They are the spirit of the law. They are also an excellent test to see if we be in the Faith - if we pose them to ourselves as a question.

Do I love the Lord my God with all my heart and all my soul and all my mind?
Do I Love my neighbors as much as I love myself?

If one does these, the Ten Commandments and the commandments of the Lord will take care of themselves.

 

[awelight]

The day of His death and resurrection isn't the issue.
The fact that He rose and will cause us to rise too is more important.
Which day is the seventh? I think we all agree it is Saturday (friday sunset till Saturday sunset).
The point if we should remember the sabbath or not. Most are saying no..
I don't put the 10 commandments in with the shadow laws. Yes Jesus is our rest, but does that justify not remembering the Sabbath day. He is also the water of life, does that mean we never need to drink water.
If there is one LAW then the bible and pauls writings controdict themselves.
Also understanding the difference between keeping the law to establish your own righteousness (works). And keeping the law because Christ is working His rightousness in the heart (faith).

Heb 10:16 KJV This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

Rom 3:31 KJV Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

While this is a bit off topic... you stated:

"The day of His death and resurrection isn't the issue.
The fact that He rose and will cause us to rise too is more important."

While His resurrection is the guarantee of the believers resurrection and this is very important as you said but to proclaim the wrong information about the days is also important, if one sees the problem it may create. After all, to propagate the lie of Good Friday and the Resurrection on Sunday morning - is at it's heart - calling Jesus Christ a liar. He said, three days and three nights, just like Jonah. Not thirty-six hours. And if one believes He rose on Saturday evening but still holds to Good Friday, then this would barely be twenty-four hours. So yes, it is important because all of God's Truth is important and needs to handled correctly. On this, I am sure, you would agree.

As to the Sabbath and our rest, please see post #106 - where I try to clarify my position on this Biblical subject to another.

Thanks and take care.

 

[TMS]

to proclaim the wrong information about the days is also important, if one sees the problem it may create. After all, to propagate the lie of Good Friday and the Resurrection on Sunday morning - is at it's heart - calling Jesus Christ a liar. He said, three days and three nights, just like Jonah

I studied the issue and I'm satisfied. When Jesus said 3 days He didn't mean 72 hours exactly.
Any part of the day counts and Jesus was dead for 3 different days. Even if it was a few hours on Friday all of Saturday, and a few hours on Sunday. It was 3 days.
The study i seen went into great detail and i wish i could share it, but it was years ago.

 

[Samardzija]

What about 3 nights

 

[awelight]

I studied the issue and I'm satisfied. When Jesus said 3 days He didn't mean 72 hours exactly.
Any part of the day counts and Jesus was dead for 3 different days. Even if it was a few hours on Friday all of Saturday, and a few hours on Sunday. It was 3 days.
The study i seen went into great detail and i wish i could share it, but it was years ago.

Very well. I am very familiar with this argument. They even pull in Jewish Rabbis to give that argument validity, since the Jews say any part of a day is considered a day. This is just an attempt to give credibility to the long held traditional view. A view that I was a part of for a while. However, one must ask... If a part of a day can constitute "a day", then did it take God six full days to create or was it perhaps just a part of those days? Food for thought.

We all have to answer for what we believe to be true and I am not trying to force anyone to believe something I have said, just because I said it. God Bless.

 

[TMS]

In this same manner, Christ moved the Sabbath from the Jewish Saturday, (Which was the letter of the Law), to the first day of the week or the Lord's Day. (The spirit of the Sabbath law). Please note: It is called the Lord's Day, meaning: something belonging to the Lord. The Lord's Day, is the new Sabbath day for the church because both belong to the Lord.

Keeping the letter of the law without the spirit is useless.
All good comes from God and we cannot obey without the Spirit.
The old covenant was built on obeying to please God (works).
The new is about obeying because we love God and because we have faith in the promises of Jesus.

You make claims that the day was changed.
God blessed and made the seventh day Holy.
You say sunday is now Holy and is the Lords day.
I still see no evidence for this change in the Bible.
To say Jesus changed it because He rose on Sunday is not evidence or proof.
Quote 62 shows how it was changed. Pagan sun worship was introduced into the christian church.

 

[Adstar]

Which day did God designate to be 7th and holy?

The Biblical 7th day start at Friday sunset and ends on saturday sunset.. The Biblical day runs from sunset to sunset..

 

[awelight]

Keeping the letter of the law without the spirit is useless.
All good comes from God and we cannot obey without the Spirit.
The old covenant was built on obeying to please God (works).
The new is about obeying because we love God and because we have faith in the promises of Jesus.

You make claims that the day was changed.
God blessed and made the seventh day Holy.
You say sunday is now Holy and is the Lords day.
I still see no evidence for this change in the Bible.
To say Jesus changed it because He rose on Sunday is not evidence or proof.
Quote 62 shows how it was changed. Pagan sun worship was introduced into the christian church.

You have made this argument before but you give no explanation as to why the early church worshiped on the Lord's Day.

Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul discoursed with them, intending to depart on the morrow; and prolonged his speech until midnight.

Did you not read the quotes from great writers of old on this subject in post# 106. Do you think they all had it wrong?

 

[Grandpa]

The practice of the laws that were a schoolmaster in that they showed how we can be free from sin. Are no longer needed because Christ is our way to be free from sin.
If practise is not required, i can steal, murder, and take the Lords name in vain without worry. No practise mean to continue in sin that grace may abound. I practise no to be saved but because i am saved. I practise because i love the lord. I need the sacrifice because i fail.
No law = no sin = no need for a sacrifice.

Practice is ABSOLUTELY NOT required because your practice is dirty rags before the Lord.

Perfection is required. The only way for that to happen is to trust 100% in the Lord.

 

[Samardzija]

The Biblical 7th day start at Friday sunset and ends on saturday sunset.. The Biblical day runs from sunset to sunset..

Can you demonstrate that by bible, considering what God gave Israelites as day one (1) month of Nisan as the beginning of the month and the year, can you confirm by biblical text that todays Friday 6th day is the same as 6th day of Nisan

 

[Samardzija]

Practice is ABSOLUTELY NOT required because your practice is dirty rags before the Lord.

Perfection is required. The only way for that to happen is to trust 100% in the Lord.

Perfection is required, well which one of us is perfect show me and i will point out a liar (biblically speaking) according to what i read here it seems God has 2 set of rules one for Jews and one for the rest of the world, how do you interpret John 16 then

 

[Grandpa]

Perfection is required, well which one of us is perfect show me and i will point out a liar (biblically speaking) according to what i read here it seems God has 2 set of rules one for Jews and one for the rest of the world, how do you interpret John 16 then

Matthew 5:44-48
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.


This is the requirement for people who PRACTICE their "understanding" of what the Law says.

This is for EVERYONE.

Romans 3:19-20
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

 

[Samardzija]

Matthew 5:44-48
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.


This is the requirement for people who PRACTICE their "understanding" of what the Law says.

This is for EVERYONE.

Romans 3:19-20
19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.[
I see you point that you have chosen, bible tells us that we were created in image of God, but after sin took over i dont believe we can be perfect like our father (God) So whatever Mathew wrote he can not override Jesus when he said the one that say is without sin is a liar, this is direct words of Jesus

 

[Adstar]

Can you demonstrate that by bible, considering what God gave Israelites as day one (1) month of Nisan as the beginning of the month and the year, can you confirm by biblical text that todays Friday 6th day is the same as 6th day of Nisan

Dates run independent to days of the week.. So the 1st of Hisan starts on different days of the week each year..

As for sunset bbeing the start of the day this is established in genisis..

(Genesis 1:5-8) "And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. {6} ¶ And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. {7} And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. {8} And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day."

So Biblical days start in the evening .. This is why even today orthodox Jews make haste to be home before the sun sets of Friday..