Which Jesus are you trusting ?

[Nehemiah6]

Hmm from what I read..I don't think I have to believe in Father son holy Spirit ..or I am not saved. Nor do I have to believe Jesus Christ is God.

Looks like you have really limited your "reading" in order to arrive at these dangerous fallacies. To "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ" it is imperative that a person believe (a) that Jesus is indeed God and (b) that He is the second person of the triune Godhead -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. These beliefs are not optional since the heart of the Gospel is that God the Father sent the Lord Jesus Christ to earth to become the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world (John 3:16; 1:29). And unless one is washed in His blood and clothed with His righteousness, he cannot enter Heaven.

 

[posthuman]

The first Christian letters in terms of the history of writing were devoid of stories of the miracles of Jesus. Jesus in Paul's letters was only a faithful god on the theological meaning of the word, which heralds the nearness of the kingdom of God that will come very soon and in Paul's life himself, and that he died on the cross atone for the sins of mankind and that he He rose on the third day and appeared to people and then ascended to heaven, and that belief in this idea alone is the means of salvation in that coming kingdom. However, what happened after that is that the oral legends circulating around Jesus began to invent miracle stories for him, quoting the stories of Greek and Roman pagan miracles, and this is what we see clearly in the Gospel of Mark, which was written after the death of Paul and after the demolition of the temple. At that time, the echoes of Jesus' inability to perform miracles were still circulating and widespread among Jewish communities and congregations and undeniably.

huh??

the earliest NT letter was probably 1 Thessalonians.

We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers, remembering without ceasing your work of faith, labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the sight of our God and Father, knowing, beloved brethren, your election by God. For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance, as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake.
(1 Thessalonians 1:2-5)​

 

[posthuman]

Not here to have a debate. Sorry.

it's just a question.
you made a weird, cryptic statement & i was asking for a little explanation.

not here to be ready to give an answer for what you believe?
we could just have a 'Bible Discussion'

 

[posthuman]

the writer of Luke's Gospel is very clear that he was subjected to a process (widespread, intense and widespread Jewish denial) that the Jesus they knew or heard about from their ancestors did no miracle at all.

huh???

dude have you read Luke?

no one ever denied that He was performing miracles and giving sign after sign after sign that He is the Messiah. not once.
they attacked Him because He did these things on sabbath days, and because He spoke as though He Himself is God - the charges against Him when they brought Him before Herod & then Pilate were not that He was a charlatan, but that He was a blasphemer, claiming to be God.

 

[posthuman]

Therefore, in view of this Jewish activity, he was compelled to increase the number of his audience to “the crowds crowded” around Jesus, so that the excuse would be that “every denying the miracles of Jesus is produced only, with emphasis on a word only, from those crowds whom Jesus prevented with miracles and not others and was used with them.” word [generation]).

you sure seem utterly unfamiliar with the text!

And He came down with them and stood on a level place with a crowd of His disciples and a great multitude of people from all Judea and Jerusalem, and from the seacoast of Tyre and Sidon, who came to hear Him and be healed of their diseases, as well as those who were tormented with unclean spirits. And they were healed. And the whole multitude sought to touch Him, for power went out from Him and healed them all. ​

(Luke 6:17-19)​

 

[Hann57]

huh??

the earliest NT letter was probably 1 Thessalonians.

We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers, remembering without ceasing your work of faith, labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the sight of our God and Father, knowing, beloved brethren, your election by God. For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance, as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake.​

(1 Thessalonians 1:2-5)​

YOU made all that up. That is called a fable.

 

[Blain]

YOU made all that up. That is called a fable.

Have you even read the bible?

 

[posthuman]

YOU made all that up. That is called a fable.

huh?

i'm just going to guess that you quoted the wrong post.


but @Egyw0lf some say the epistle to the Galatians was the earliest letter in the NT.

Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you,​

does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?​

(Galatians 3:5)​

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the Jesus they knew or heard about from their ancestors did no miracle at all.

you have anything to add?

 

[Hann57]

huh?

i'm just going to guess that you quoted the wrong post.


but @Egyw0lf some say the epistle to the Galatians was the earliest letter in the NT.

Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you,​

does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?​

(Galatians 3:5)​

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you have anything to add?

1Co_2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

 

[posthuman]

1Co_2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

not sure how you think that makes 1 Thessalonians "a made up fable" lol

but i appreciate you taking the time to reply

 

[ImageofGod]

1Co_2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

I Corinthians 3:2
I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able;

"Paul also uses milk as a metaphor for weak or elementary in I Corinthians 3:1-2: "And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able." Paul judges the Corinthians as weak based upon their behaviors and attitudes, which reflected no spiritual progress. So he "fed" these immature Christians elementary knowledge because things of greater depth would have gone unappreciated, misunderstood, and unused. These references directly tie spiritual diet to growth in understanding, behavior, and attitude. "

https://www.bibletools.org/

 

[ImageofGod]

I don't think I have to believe in Father son holy Spirit ..or I am not saved. Nor do I have to believe Jesus Christ is God. I think what was said OT NT anyone that calls on the name of the lord shall be saved

Probably all You need to Believe or do is something like - follow God, or follow the Spirit - which is another Way of saying, "Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is Near". or what you said. All of these are Milk so we must Grow up In our understanding Eventually - but Get started also. So we are Given milk in the Bible, and by God and/or each As they can handle it or Understand things In their present Spiritual State. With their strengths and Non-strengths (God-given), Gifts and Lacking gifts. Everyone (is) looking from a Different perspective - and From Themselves. God looks Completely - from no Certain limited Perspective or weakness of Lack of any gift - but from All perspectives at Once.

 

[Hann57]

I Corinthians 3:2
I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able;

"Paul also uses milk as a metaphor for weak or elementary in I Corinthians 3:1-2: "And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able." Paul judges the Corinthians as weak based upon their behaviors and attitudes, which reflected no spiritual progress. So he "fed" these immature Christians elementary knowledge because things of greater depth would have gone unappreciated, misunderstood, and unused. These references directly tie spiritual diet to growth in understanding, behavior, and attitude. "

https://www.bibletools.org/

The Corinthians were NOT " Christians" Paul never writes to Christians. The word Christian is not in any of Pauls epistles.

 

[justbyfaith]

The Corinthians were NOT " Christians" Paul never writes to Christians. The word Christian is not in any of Pauls epistles.

Paul wrote to disciples...

And the disciples were first called Christians at Antioch (Acts 11:26).

 

[ImageofGod]

The Corinthians were NOT " Christians" Paul never writes to Christians. The word Christian is not in any of Pauls epistles.

if we break everything apart according to our own understanding, then we may never become nearer to the understanding of God and the Spirit. of which there is milk, but also divisions and unhelpful ways of seeing things. Christ came to bring wholeness - but if we seek our own understanding - not the Spirit's - we may stay with our own understandings for quite some time. even if they are not really right or from God or Spirit - just our own way of seeing.

 

[riverhooks]

Well , I would like to throw my spin in this mix . First To simplify things . Everytime someone tries to make God into three persons they miss everytime because they are one. Look at Scripture . They are One. Jesus said, "He that sees me sees Him who sent me". "I am in the Father and the Father in Me. " I AM that I AM " Hear O Israel the Lord our God is One Lord. Jesus is called the Everlasting Father in Isaiah. The Brightness of the Fathers Glory in Hebrews Chapter one. The Holy Spirit is called , the Spirit of God , The Spirit of Christ. Spirit of the Father , The Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus our Lord. I think we limit God . We know Jesus walked the earth. That he said , God was a Spirit . That The Father is greater than me. This was when He was walking the earth as the Son of Man. Now He is upholding all things by the Word of His Power. You don't get one without the other I'm saying . God He's the Father , yep that's Him. He's the Son yep that's Him . He's the Holy Spirit . Yep that's Him. For it pleased the Father that in Him should all fullness dwell. The fullness of the Godhead dwells in Him Bodily. God has given Him a name above everyname . Father glorify thy name . I have glorified it and I will glorify it again. God has highly exalted Him and given Him a name above every name . The Lord Jesus Christ. God was a man when he said , I am the vine and my father is the husbandman. So if they are one. God could still fill all things everywhere while being incarnate and still be the same yesterday today and forever. Yep, that's Him.

 

[Egyw0lf]

huh??

the earliest NT letter was probably 1 Thessalonians.

We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers, remembering without ceasing your work of faith, labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the sight of our God and Father, knowing, beloved brethren, your election by God. For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance, as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake.​

(1 Thessalonians 1:2-5)​

Paul's letters are completely devoid of any accounts of Jesus' miracles. Simply put, Paul, who began writing his letters about twenty years after Jesus was crucified and killed, (he knew no story of Jesus' miracles, so he does not mention them in his letters). On the contrary, (Paul explicitly affirms the absence of Jesus' miracles in the face of his Jewish audience). In his First Epistle to the Corinthians, Paul explains the reason for the unbelief of the Jews, saying to them: (The Jews ask for a sign [i.e. they ask for a miracle], and the Greeks seek wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block, and to the Greeks foolishness) [1 Corinthians 1: 22-23 and 25].

 

[Egyw0lf]

huh??

the earliest NT letter was probably 1 Thessalonians.

We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers, remembering without ceasing your work of faith, labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the sight of our God and Father, knowing, beloved brethren, your election by God. For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance, as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake.​

(1 Thessalonians 1:2-5)​

Paul says that the Jews, in general, were asking for a miracle in order to believe that Jesus was the Christ, but all they got was (Jesus crucified)!!!

 

[Egyw0lf]

huh???

dude have you read Luke?

no one ever denied that He was performing miracles and giving sign after sign after sign that He is the Messiah. not once.
they attacked Him because He did these things on sabbath days, and because He spoke as though He Himself is God - the charges against Him when they brought Him before Herod & then Pilate were not that He was a charlatan, but that He was a blasphemer, claiming to be God.

The first Gospel in the history of writing, the Gospel of Mark, we find echoes of this complete absence of miracles. In the Gospel of Mark, its writer tells us about Jesus going to his city of Nazareth, except that Jesus (he could not do there not a single power [meaning not a single miracle], except that he laid his hands on a few sick people and healed them) [Mark 6:5]. Of course, this limitation (he could not make there, not a single [miracle] power) is totally unacceptable to the writer of the Gospel of Matthew, so he paraphrased the sentence thus (and he did not do many miracles there because of their unbelief) [Matthew 13:58], that is, after modification The writer of the Gospel of Matthew, who took over the story, did miracles there but not many and blamed the absence of miracles on the people of Nazareth for their unbelief.

 

[Hann57]

if we break everything apart according to our own understanding, then we may never become nearer to the understanding of God and the Spirit. of which there is milk, but also divisions and unhelpful ways of seeing things. Christ came to bring wholeness - but if we seek our own understanding - not the Spirit's - we may stay with our own understandings for quite some time. even if they are not really right or from God or Spirit - just our own way of seeing.

You made all that up. That is called a Fable.