Which laws are and are not valid?

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Matthew4Jesus

Matthew4Jesus

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Hi there, I'll keep my question brief.

There are many laws in the Old Testament, how do we differentiate between the laws we follow, and those we do not?

i.e. Wearing Mixed Fibers etc.

Any answers from scripture will be very helpful,

Matthew.
 
All things that pertain to what is right and wrong, good and evil according to God is what shall never change; what is abolished is ceremonies, rituals, formalism as a means of sacrifice for our sins: but now we must repent our own selves for the remission of sins, because ceremonies, rituals, or formalism cannot take away sin. Beside this, the Lord Jesus Christ tells us plainly His first requirement of anyone that would follow Him and belong to Him, which is the first matter He spoke when He began His ministry, namely "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand". For without repenting our sins we cannot receive the remission of our sins, neither can we receive the gift of the Holy Spirit without repenting. And by the way repenting is a continual duty all the days of our life, lest we begin to suppose at any time that somehow we are good enough, and need not to repent.
 
Matthew4Jesus said:
Hi there, I'll keep my question brief.

There are many laws in the Old Testament, how do we differentiate between the laws we follow, and those we do not?

i.e. Wearing Mixed Fibers etc.

Any answers from scripture will be very helpful,

Matthew.
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Do wearing mixed fibers has anything to do with these?:

Rev 3:15 "I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish that you were cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 Therefore, since you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of My mouth.

I bet it has to do with purity and more. :)
 
With a new priest there must be a change in the law the book of Hebrews tells us. Therefore I believe that everything Jesus wants us to know about the Old Testament He brought it over to the New.
 
the law was a school master until Christ. Hang in there Matthew4Jesus it took me fourteen years give or take to learn how to correctly walk with God.
 
Matthew4Jesus said:
..... There are many laws in the Old Testament, how do we differentiate between the laws we follow, and those we do not?...
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we don't differentiate. (like interpretation, it is God's 'job', not ours.) (read genesis, deuteronomy, joshua, judges, and psalms 1 and 119)

no where, old or new, does yahweh say we are to differentiate. no where. it is not written anywhere.

that's how all the wrong religion started, whether by human or demonic origin - opposed to Jesus.

the best NT example from Jesus > when most of the disciples left jesus, (and they most likely knew scripture better than anyone here today) , how did peter know that jesus is the messiah, son of god ?
 
Matthew4Jesus said:
Hi there, I'll keep my question brief.

There are many laws in the Old Testament, how do we differentiate between the laws we follow, and those we do not?

i.e. Wearing Mixed Fibers etc.

Any answers from scripture will be very helpful,

Matthew.
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All these are valid, and breaking even one of them counts you as having broken them all, even every jot and tittle of the law.

James 2

[10] For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
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Now, some good news, you are not justified by the works of the law, only through faith in Christ Jesus.

Gal.2

[16] Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
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The New Testament does say so Romans 3:19 1 Timothy 1:9 the whole book of Galatians I could list scripture after scripture that say that the law is not made for the righteous but the ungodly.
 
simply>> TORAH never changed, ever. what did change ? >>
Hebrews 7:12: So What Really “Changed”? | Hoshana Rabbah Blog
"So what was changed or transferred? The writer of Hebrews clearly answers this question throughout this book. Yeshua once and for all permanently replaced all the repeated sacrifices and the temple ceremonies associated with them, as well as the priesthood that administered these rites and rituals. That’s all that was “changed” or transferred. YHVH’s sabbaths, feasts, dietary laws, and his other instructions in righteousness have never been annulled. In fact, Yeshua upholds the Torah in every way (see Matt 5:17–19), and even tells us that we are not only to follow its letter, but also its spirit (Matt 5:21–48). Paul calls the Torah holy, just and good (Rom 7:12), and tells us in the strongest terms that the grace of YHVH doesn’t annul, but rather establishes the Torah (Rom 3:31). His adherence to the Torah to the end of his life is validated by the biblical record (Acts 21:24), and by the testimony of his own lips in two courts of law (Acts 24:14; 25:8)."
 
what Tribesman said

I'll add this...regarding mixed fibers etc, a physical illustration to avoid mixing God with worship of anything else

Jesus made mention of new wine and old wineskins....you do not put new wine into old skins...

Some cultural context would also help...remember the Israelites were living surrounded by those who worshipped demons...ie the sacrifice of children in fire and so on...

it really helps do to a study on these things...IMO, the OT is a physical reality....the NT is the spiritual reality of the physical...hope that is not to metaphysical
 
You right the Torah never changes but it is not made for believers in Christ who depend on Christ's righteousness and not their own. Notice how Abraham, Issac, and Jacob were never under to law and that is because the Old Testament and the New Testament are two different covenants. Notice the word different.
 
Notice how Jesus makes the distinction to His apostle in John 15:25 when He says so what is written in their law will be fulfilled. Why would Jesus say their law and not the law to His apostles? He made that distinction probably for the same reason He had Paul write Romans 3:19 and 1 Timothy 1:9. I'm not trying to quarrel but hey all I am saying on this chat board are things clearly written in scripture.
 
isn't it that - not that the law was changed or taken away - but that we, putting on Christ, have already died to it? already been condemned, sentenced and executed by it - but that Christ has taken on that condemnation and execution for us?

so we, in Him, are no longer judged by it - because that judgement has already been carried out for our sakes in Him?

the punishment for wearing mixed fibers, for example, He took upon Himself, even though He was innocent, in my place. so that i could be justified by trusting in His faithfulness towards me, not by my own adherence to the letters of the statutes -- right?
so wearing mixed fibers does not condemn me now - like double jeopardy - as far as the law is concerned, i am already dead?
not that i should 'sin all the more so grace may abound' -- but that He has made me free :)

is that right?
so it's not a question of 'what laws' but whether they are the laws of the kingdom in heaven i have been adopted into, or the kingdom on earth (the shadow) i was saved from?
 
Jeff-56 come buddy I write these this out of love. To answer your question obviously some things have changed. For instance the dietary food laws have changed. Also I wrote the scripture written in the book of Hebrews that says that "with a change in priesthood there is a change in the law." Those are not my words so not to quarrel with you maybe that is a question you should ask God and not me.
 
posthuman said:
isn't it that - not that the law was changed or taken away - but that we, putting on Christ, have already died to it? already been condemned, sentenced and executed by it - but that Christ has taken on that condemnation and execution for us?

so we, in Him, are no longer judged by it - because that judgement has already been carried out for our sakes in Him?

the punishment for wearing mixed fibers, for example, He took upon Himself, even though He was innocent, in my place. so that i could be justified by trusting in His faithfulness towards me, not by my own adherence to the letters of the statutes -- right?
so wearing mixed fibers does not condemn me now - like double jeopardy - as far as the law is concerned, i am already dead?
not that i should 'sin all the more so grace may abound' -- but that He has made me free :)

is that right?
so it's not a question of 'what laws' but whether they are the laws of the kingdom in heaven i have been adopted into, or the kingdom on earth (the shadow) i was saved from?
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you mean like this? :)

For through the Law I died to the Law, so that I might live to God.
I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself up for me.
I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly. (Gal 2:19-21)
 
I hope people can see that I just want to help people understand scriptures more clearly. I mean no harm to anyone. We all must understand that the scripture I have posted are in the New Testament for a reason and as Romans 3:19 states that no one will be declared righteous by the law, but only the knowledge of sin. However, apart from the law the righteousness of God is revealed to us. These are not my words they are scripture and if anyone doesn't believe it please do not call me demonic and say that I do not know anything because like I said before all I am doing is pointing out scripture.
 
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