Who and what are the two beast of Revelation 13 and mark 666?
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God warns the saints about the new age movement which they interpret the Bible according to the occult and evolution, and people are still evolving to be spiritual, and a god, and Jesus evolved to be an ascended master, and there is no personal God, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher.
They shall come out at the latter times.
Their beliefs will be of seducing spirits and doctrines of devils for they follow Lucifer believing he is a god, and an alien, that gave mankind intelligence, and will help them in the future to have peace, advance, and evolve, which they talk about the return of the gods.
Their conscious will be seared as a hot iron which the New Age Christ by peace shall destroy many for they will cause population reduction, and go against all people who oppose them believing they are doing the will of nature the God of forces.
The time will come that people will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but according to their own lusts the new age movement.
The United Nations supports new age organizations and is with them as well as Science.
The United Nations has been operating since 1945 to work for peace on Earth, and now they want a one world government.
The nations governments are working together and want a one world government, but they have to get the people of the world on board to want a one world government to work for peace on Earth.
When Israel and Hamas started fighting the nations started dividing themselves spewing out threats, and warnings, and dividing themselves choosing sides between Israel and Arabs, and talking that a nuclear war could happen that could devastate the planet.
This is all a scare tactic to get the people for the world to be on board for a one world government.
Pope Francis elected 72% of the Cardinals so they would be in the majority position to elect the new Pope who will go along with the one world government.
The Republican and Democrat top leaders are working together which is the Hegel System.
Donald Trump was put in place to increase the fighting between the parties, and to gain the trust, and support of the Republican party to try to convince them to embrace the one world government that it is the best ideal because of the current situation of the world.
The New Age Christ will negotiate peace in the Middle East resulting in a peace treaty that will stop the fighting between Israel and the Arabs which will be the same throughout the world.
This will be the first beast who will claim to be God later on.
The Pope will be the second beast the false prophet.
The New Age Christ will push the agenda of the new age movement, and the world will be split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section who will be in league with the New Age Christ.
They will prepare the cities to move all people in the cities, and no development can happen outside city limits, and the people become the police force of the cities.
Which is United Nations Agenda 21 a sustainability act which 179 nations agreed to it in 1992.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.
stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.
They will be given a microchip under the skin linked to satellite like a GPS tracking system for humans, and if a crime happens they will know who was in the area, and how close they were to the crime scene.
This will cut out judges, lawyers, and the now known police force.
All information about the person will be on the chip including finances for it is the one world economic system which no person can buy or sell except those with the chip.
They will go against all people who will not take the microchip, mark of the beast, for they are going against the world's system to have peace on Earth.
They talk about angel numbers and the angel number 666 which they say is a good number according to the Cosmos.
Which they want to convince the world to embrace that number for then they will have the power through nature to transform to a world of peace, and advance, and evolve.
The occult believes in the power of numbers, and the timing, adding, and grouping of numbers which they believe will give them more power through nature.
6 is the number of a person, or the soul of a person, so the New Age Christ assigned himself the number 666, a triple 6, for he believes it will give him more power through nature.
666 is a number the occult uses to exalt people.
They shall come out at the latter times.
Their beliefs will be of seducing spirits and doctrines of devils for they follow Lucifer believing he is a god, and an alien, that gave mankind intelligence, and will help them in the future to have peace, advance, and evolve, which they talk about the return of the gods.
Their conscious will be seared as a hot iron which the New Age Christ by peace shall destroy many for they will cause population reduction, and go against all people who oppose them believing they are doing the will of nature the God of forces.
The time will come that people will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but according to their own lusts the new age movement.
The United Nations supports new age organizations and is with them as well as Science.
The United Nations has been operating since 1945 to work for peace on Earth, and now they want a one world government.
The nations governments are working together and want a one world government, but they have to get the people of the world on board to want a one world government to work for peace on Earth.
When Israel and Hamas started fighting the nations started dividing themselves spewing out threats, and warnings, and dividing themselves choosing sides between Israel and Arabs, and talking that a nuclear war could happen that could devastate the planet.
This is all a scare tactic to get the people for the world to be on board for a one world government.
Pope Francis elected 72% of the Cardinals so they would be in the majority position to elect the new Pope who will go along with the one world government.
The Republican and Democrat top leaders are working together which is the Hegel System.
Donald Trump was put in place to increase the fighting between the parties, and to gain the trust, and support of the Republican party to try to convince them to embrace the one world government that it is the best ideal because of the current situation of the world.
The New Age Christ will negotiate peace in the Middle East resulting in a peace treaty that will stop the fighting between Israel and the Arabs which will be the same throughout the world.
This will be the first beast who will claim to be God later on.
The Pope will be the second beast the false prophet.
The New Age Christ will push the agenda of the new age movement, and the world will be split in to 10 sections with a leader in each section who will be in league with the New Age Christ.
They will prepare the cities to move all people in the cities, and no development can happen outside city limits, and the people become the police force of the cities.
Which is United Nations Agenda 21 a sustainability act which 179 nations agreed to it in 1992.
Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.
stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.
They will be given a microchip under the skin linked to satellite like a GPS tracking system for humans, and if a crime happens they will know who was in the area, and how close they were to the crime scene.
This will cut out judges, lawyers, and the now known police force.
All information about the person will be on the chip including finances for it is the one world economic system which no person can buy or sell except those with the chip.
They will go against all people who will not take the microchip, mark of the beast, for they are going against the world's system to have peace on Earth.
They talk about angel numbers and the angel number 666 which they say is a good number according to the Cosmos.
Which they want to convince the world to embrace that number for then they will have the power through nature to transform to a world of peace, and advance, and evolve.
The occult believes in the power of numbers, and the timing, adding, and grouping of numbers which they believe will give them more power through nature.
6 is the number of a person, or the soul of a person, so the New Age Christ assigned himself the number 666, a triple 6, for he believes it will give him more power through nature.
666 is a number the occult uses to exalt people.
The Beast that rises out of the sea that is like the all previous empires blended into one and that people say "who can war with him", this "beast" has the "mark of the beast" which we have interpreted to be similar to a RFID chip or a bar code imbedded in each person, either on the hand or the forehead. Since no one can buy or sell without this mark we understand that this must be a digital tracking device, similar to a bar code or a credit card, and that it must be connected to the internet from anywhere in the world requiring the use of Starlink satellites and it would have to use a Quantum computer to be able to do this.
So on one hand it is like one giant CBDC (Central Bank Digital Currency) but on another hand the army would be like a million soldiers all connected using neuralink in their brains, along with drones and robots controlled with an AI.
Since 1994 we have known that a Quantum computer can break codes that would take a supercomputer a thousand years in a minute or two. This means that once a rogue state like Russia or China has this capability they can empty all the digital currencies like Bitcoin into their own vault.
That sounds like BRICS, the ten nations that will rule for an hour (over King dollar) and then give their power to the Antichrist who will be using this beast system and the mark of the beast. By stealing all the crypto currencies they will make it essential to have the mark placed on every person.
Googles Quantum Computer Turned Back On And What It Reveal Scared All Scientists
So on one hand it is like one giant CBDC (Central Bank Digital Currency) but on another hand the army would be like a million soldiers all connected using neuralink in their brains, along with drones and robots controlled with an AI.
Since 1994 we have known that a Quantum computer can break codes that would take a supercomputer a thousand years in a minute or two. This means that once a rogue state like Russia or China has this capability they can empty all the digital currencies like Bitcoin into their own vault.
That sounds like BRICS, the ten nations that will rule for an hour (over King dollar) and then give their power to the Antichrist who will be using this beast system and the mark of the beast. By stealing all the crypto currencies they will make it essential to have the mark placed on every person.
Googles Quantum Computer Turned Back On And What It Reveal Scared All Scientists
look at chapter seventeen the beast with seven heads and ten horns is made up of eighteen kings and kingdoms
“And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman,
and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
The beast that thou sawest was, ( past ) and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. ( future )
And there are seven kings:
five are fallen, ( in johns past )
and one is, ( one was currently ruling in johns day )
and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. ( one more was about to rise up )
( now we hear about eleven more kings in the future )And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.”
Revelation 17:7-8, 10-13, 16-17 KJV
what does the ot prophecy say would be fulfilled regarding these kings and kingdoms ?
The first kingdom was Babylon , the second was media Persia , third was Greece , Greece split apart when Alexander died and four generals governed four sections of the Grecian empire later the frocks Roman wars left to the Roman empires consolidation and rise to world domination and eventual destruction of Jerusalem and its temple
those were the first seven tiered from Babylon to Rome
One of those seven is foretold to return and will have ten kings subservient to him probably some entity like the United Nations or some world alliance between nations so the two beasts arent just two people is the point
the beast with seven heads and ten horns is found in daniels visions of four foreign kingdoms rising up to destroy jerusalem
“the beast that was and is not and will ascend out of the pit “
Is an eighth king one of the original seven come a second time who has ten kings serving him . It represents eighteen kings , four kingdoms , one king that comes twice and has ten others serving him
all of those make up the one image of the beast with seven heads and ten horns the heads are kind and horns are kings , the one head that “looks as of it died and yet lives “ is showing that one of them comes twice. The one who” is , and will come later “
just the image of the one beast all of those descriptive elements have meaning in the Old Testament
babylon , media Persia , Greece , the Roman Empire make up the original seven Greece had four rulers replace Alexander the Great who conquered the ancient world. Making up the seven heads
The latter eighth king with ten companion kings is the future prophecy there not the original seven those began with daniels visions of Babylon Persia Greece and Rome and were concluding in johns time when Nero was about rise for his short reign of terror over them.
“And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman,
and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.
The beast that thou sawest was, ( past ) and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. ( future )
And there are seven kings:
five are fallen, ( in johns past )
and one is, ( one was currently ruling in johns day )
and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. ( one more was about to rise up )
( now we hear about eleven more kings in the future )And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.”
Revelation 17:7-8, 10-13, 16-17 KJV
what does the ot prophecy say would be fulfilled regarding these kings and kingdoms ?
The first kingdom was Babylon , the second was media Persia , third was Greece , Greece split apart when Alexander died and four generals governed four sections of the Grecian empire later the frocks Roman wars left to the Roman empires consolidation and rise to world domination and eventual destruction of Jerusalem and its temple
those were the first seven tiered from Babylon to Rome
One of those seven is foretold to return and will have ten kings subservient to him probably some entity like the United Nations or some world alliance between nations so the two beasts arent just two people is the point
the beast with seven heads and ten horns is found in daniels visions of four foreign kingdoms rising up to destroy jerusalem
“the beast that was and is not and will ascend out of the pit “
Is an eighth king one of the original seven come a second time who has ten kings serving him . It represents eighteen kings , four kingdoms , one king that comes twice and has ten others serving him
all of those make up the one image of the beast with seven heads and ten horns the heads are kind and horns are kings , the one head that “looks as of it died and yet lives “ is showing that one of them comes twice. The one who” is , and will come later “
just the image of the one beast all of those descriptive elements have meaning in the Old Testament
babylon , media Persia , Greece , the Roman Empire make up the original seven Greece had four rulers replace Alexander the Great who conquered the ancient world. Making up the seven heads
The latter eighth king with ten companion kings is the future prophecy there not the original seven those began with daniels visions of Babylon Persia Greece and Rome and were concluding in johns time when Nero was about rise for his short reign of terror over them.
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Daniel 7:23 “Thus he said: ‘As for the fourth beast,
there shall be a fourth kingdom on earth,
which shall be different from all the kingdoms,
and it shall devour the whole earth,
and trample it down, and break it to pieces.
24 As for the ten horns,
out of this kingdom
ten kings shall arise,
and another shall arise after them;
he shall be different from the former ones,
and shall put down three kings.
25 He shall speak words against the Most High,
and shall wear out the saints of the Most High,
and shall think to change the times and the law;
and they shall be given into his hand
for a time, two times, and half a time.
Beast out of the sea shall consist of 10 nations around the Mediterranean sea
there shall be a fourth kingdom on earth,
which shall be different from all the kingdoms,
and it shall devour the whole earth,
and trample it down, and break it to pieces.
24 As for the ten horns,
out of this kingdom
ten kings shall arise,
and another shall arise after them;
he shall be different from the former ones,
and shall put down three kings.
25 He shall speak words against the Most High,
and shall wear out the saints of the Most High,
and shall think to change the times and the law;
and they shall be given into his hand
for a time, two times, and half a time.
Beast out of the sea shall consist of 10 nations around the Mediterranean sea
“And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:
and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.”
Revelation 13:1-2 KJV
John is referencing this
“And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. The first was like a lion, …..And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, …. After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard,… the beast had also four heads;
and dominion was given to it.
After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.”
Daniel 7:3-7 KJV
when john receives the understanding ofbrhe beast he sees he’s told that five heads of that beast have already fallen , one head was ruling in Johns current day and one more the seventh head was about to take power in johns near future
Johns beast is from the past and in the present and also os in the future because he’s speaking near the end of the vision after it’s been occurring for a long time daniel spoke at the beginning of the events being fulfilled with babylons conqiering of Jerusalem that began a long period of time when foreign kingdoms would rule over Jerusalem foret babylon did then media Persia did then Greece did Greece split into four after Alexander the Great died and his four generals rules the empire until the Greco Roman wars led to the consolidation of the Roman Empire who rules still over Jerusalem in Jesus day . That vision on Daniel os the beginning the what john saw in revelation 13-14
john is near the end daniel was at the first the future part of the seven headed beast of the head that looks like it was killed but yet lives he rises with ten others in the future
just the one image of the beast with seven heads and ten horns is all of these
“And there are seven kings
seven heads )
five are fallen, ( five kings in johns pat )
and one is, ( one currently ruling in John present day )
and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. ( one more to rise up in johns near future )
And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. ( this now is talking about in the future long range not the first appearance of the seven headed beast but in ne of the heads will return )
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. ( future tense ) These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of Lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.”
Revelation 17:10-14 KJV
the beast with seven heads covers from bc600 - about 100 ad there’s a second arrival of one of those seven kings in the future who will have ten partners or minions serving his Will just that one beast is all of that stuff. it’s explained really well by jesus angel to John and also by Gabriel to Daniel in his vision
There is no real beast it’s an image of world powers who will rise up in succession fulfilling the things prophecies against Jerusalem fornthier covenant breaking
and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.”
Revelation 13:1-2 KJV
John is referencing this
“And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. The first was like a lion, …..And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, …. After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard,… the beast had also four heads;
and dominion was given to it.
After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.”
Daniel 7:3-7 KJV
when john receives the understanding ofbrhe beast he sees he’s told that five heads of that beast have already fallen , one head was ruling in Johns current day and one more the seventh head was about to take power in johns near future
Johns beast is from the past and in the present and also os in the future because he’s speaking near the end of the vision after it’s been occurring for a long time daniel spoke at the beginning of the events being fulfilled with babylons conqiering of Jerusalem that began a long period of time when foreign kingdoms would rule over Jerusalem foret babylon did then media Persia did then Greece did Greece split into four after Alexander the Great died and his four generals rules the empire until the Greco Roman wars led to the consolidation of the Roman Empire who rules still over Jerusalem in Jesus day . That vision on Daniel os the beginning the what john saw in revelation 13-14
john is near the end daniel was at the first the future part of the seven headed beast of the head that looks like it was killed but yet lives he rises with ten others in the future
just the one image of the beast with seven heads and ten horns is all of these
“And there are seven kings
seven heads ) five are fallen, ( five kings in johns pat )
and one is, ( one currently ruling in John present day )
and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. ( one more to rise up in johns near future )
And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. ( this now is talking about in the future long range not the first appearance of the seven headed beast but in ne of the heads will return )
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. ( future tense ) These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of Lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.”
Revelation 17:10-14 KJV
the beast with seven heads covers from bc600 - about 100 ad there’s a second arrival of one of those seven kings in the future who will have ten partners or minions serving his Will just that one beast is all of that stuff. it’s explained really well by jesus angel to John and also by Gabriel to Daniel in his vision
There is no real beast it’s an image of world powers who will rise up in succession fulfilling the things prophecies against Jerusalem fornthier covenant breaking
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The book of Revelation, imo, is prescriptive more than predictive. The point of the beasts is not to predict a nation or person that will lead the world into the end times. Rather, John is describing, from the spiritual perspective, how Satan influences the powers of this world and why Christians suffer even after Christ’s victorious resurrection and ascension.
You can imagine Christians in the first century (and still today) asking the question: “If Jesus defeated sin and is sitting at God’s right hand, why am I suffering? Why is there so much evil? Why are Christians in particular being killed if Jesus is Lord of lords?”
The answer is found here in Revelation. Yes, Jesus is victorious, and that is precisely why there is so much suffering in the world, particularly for Christians. Satan has been cast down and knows his time is short. He is making war against believers and he has empowered “beasts” to do his bidding. These ”beasts” are not representative of any particular nation or government but governments as a whole. Just as Daniel saw nations and governments as various types of animals, so Satan has influenced and empowered governments to do his bidding.
I think we miss the power of Revelation when we try to ascribe this imagery to one specific, future reality. The fact is, this reality is happening and has been happening for thousands of years. It was true in John’s day when Satan was using the Roman government to persecute and kill Christians, and has been true in practically every government throughout world history to suppress truth and persecute believers. It is happening now in North Korea where believers are killed and people are forced to view their leader as a god. It’s true in Communist China where religion is suppressed and opposition to the power of the government is crushed. And, it is true in the United States where faith is undermined, twisted and believers are attacked personally and financially for adhering to their faith in the teachings of the Bible.
This is not to say every government is wholly Satanic, but it is to say that Satan is constantly at work to influence cultures and people of power to turn governments into puppets for the sole purpose of making war with the faithful. Revelation also shows how he does this in various ways…through intimidation and persecution, false religions (false prophet) and seduction/betrayal (prostitute).
Anyway, I think Revelation has a lot to teach us about how to be wise to the ways Satan works in the world so that we are not deceived or allured by his seduction or intimidated by the way he imposes threats and violence. He has many tools he uses and has used for centuries. But wise Christians will see what the real issue is and who the real enemy is. Thus, as Jesus tells us, “remain faithful, even to death, and you will receive a crown of life.”
You can imagine Christians in the first century (and still today) asking the question: “If Jesus defeated sin and is sitting at God’s right hand, why am I suffering? Why is there so much evil? Why are Christians in particular being killed if Jesus is Lord of lords?”
The answer is found here in Revelation. Yes, Jesus is victorious, and that is precisely why there is so much suffering in the world, particularly for Christians. Satan has been cast down and knows his time is short. He is making war against believers and he has empowered “beasts” to do his bidding. These ”beasts” are not representative of any particular nation or government but governments as a whole. Just as Daniel saw nations and governments as various types of animals, so Satan has influenced and empowered governments to do his bidding.
I think we miss the power of Revelation when we try to ascribe this imagery to one specific, future reality. The fact is, this reality is happening and has been happening for thousands of years. It was true in John’s day when Satan was using the Roman government to persecute and kill Christians, and has been true in practically every government throughout world history to suppress truth and persecute believers. It is happening now in North Korea where believers are killed and people are forced to view their leader as a god. It’s true in Communist China where religion is suppressed and opposition to the power of the government is crushed. And, it is true in the United States where faith is undermined, twisted and believers are attacked personally and financially for adhering to their faith in the teachings of the Bible.
This is not to say every government is wholly Satanic, but it is to say that Satan is constantly at work to influence cultures and people of power to turn governments into puppets for the sole purpose of making war with the faithful. Revelation also shows how he does this in various ways…through intimidation and persecution, false religions (false prophet) and seduction/betrayal (prostitute).
Anyway, I think Revelation has a lot to teach us about how to be wise to the ways Satan works in the world so that we are not deceived or allured by his seduction or intimidated by the way he imposes threats and violence. He has many tools he uses and has used for centuries. But wise Christians will see what the real issue is and who the real enemy is. Thus, as Jesus tells us, “remain faithful, even to death, and you will receive a crown of life.”
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“And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:
and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.”
Revelation 13:1-2 KJV
John is referencing this
“And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. The first was like a lion, …..And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, …. After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard,… the beast had also four heads;
and dominion was given to it.
After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.”
Daniel 7:3-7 KJV
when john receives the understanding ofbrhe beast he sees he’s told that five heads of that beast have already fallen , one head was ruling in Johns current day and one more the seventh head was about to take power in johns near future
Johns beast is from the past and in the present and also os in the future because he’s speaking near the end of the vision after it’s been occurring for a long time daniel spoke at the beginning of the events being fulfilled with babylons conqiering of Jerusalem that began a long period of time when foreign kingdoms would rule over Jerusalem foret babylon did then media Persia did then Greece did Greece split into four after Alexander the Great died and his four generals rules the empire until the Greco Roman wars led to the consolidation of the Roman Empire who rules still over Jerusalem in Jesus day . That vision on Daniel os the beginning the what john saw in revelation 13-14
john is near the end daniel was at the first the future part of the seven headed beast of the head that looks like it was killed but yet lives he rises with ten others in the future
just the one image of the beast with seven heads and ten horns is all of these
“And there are seven kings seven heads )
five are fallen, ( five kings in johns pat )
and one is, ( one currently ruling in John present day )
and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. ( one more to rise up in johns near future )
And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. ( this now is talking about in the future long range not the first appearance of the seven headed beast but in ne of the heads will return )
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. ( future tense ) These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of Lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.”
Revelation 17:10-14 KJV
the beast with seven heads covers from bc600 - about 100 ad there’s a second arrival of one of those seven kings in the future who will have ten partners or minions serving his Will just that one beast is all of that stuff. it’s explained really well by jesus angel to John and also by Gabriel to Daniel in his vision
There is no real beast it’s an image of world powers who will rise up in succession fulfilling the things prophecies against Jerusalem fornthier covenant breaking
and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.”
Revelation 13:1-2 KJV
John is referencing this
“And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. The first was like a lion, …..And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, …. After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard,… the beast had also four heads;
and dominion was given to it.
After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.”
Daniel 7:3-7 KJV
when john receives the understanding ofbrhe beast he sees he’s told that five heads of that beast have already fallen , one head was ruling in Johns current day and one more the seventh head was about to take power in johns near future
Johns beast is from the past and in the present and also os in the future because he’s speaking near the end of the vision after it’s been occurring for a long time daniel spoke at the beginning of the events being fulfilled with babylons conqiering of Jerusalem that began a long period of time when foreign kingdoms would rule over Jerusalem foret babylon did then media Persia did then Greece did Greece split into four after Alexander the Great died and his four generals rules the empire until the Greco Roman wars led to the consolidation of the Roman Empire who rules still over Jerusalem in Jesus day . That vision on Daniel os the beginning the what john saw in revelation 13-14
john is near the end daniel was at the first the future part of the seven headed beast of the head that looks like it was killed but yet lives he rises with ten others in the future
just the one image of the beast with seven heads and ten horns is all of these
“And there are seven kings
seven heads ) five are fallen, ( five kings in johns pat )
and one is, ( one currently ruling in John present day )
and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. ( one more to rise up in johns near future )
And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. ( this now is talking about in the future long range not the first appearance of the seven headed beast but in ne of the heads will return )
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. ( future tense ) These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of Lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.”
Revelation 17:10-14 KJV
the beast with seven heads covers from bc600 - about 100 ad there’s a second arrival of one of those seven kings in the future who will have ten partners or minions serving his Will just that one beast is all of that stuff. it’s explained really well by jesus angel to John and also by Gabriel to Daniel in his vision
There is no real beast it’s an image of world powers who will rise up in succession fulfilling the things prophecies against Jerusalem fornthier covenant breaking
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The tower is pivotal. I find that Paul in Romans 1 and 2 is speaking in general towards man what he has done in his nature. Also find that Paul was being specific and we have an example when mankind knew only God and what he had done and only he existed. That is post flood.
Then mankind refused to see the truth and was given over to a reprobate mind. He gave them over to principalities and powers at the tower. However, he set apart for himself one nation to bring about the destruction of the god of this world both spiritually and physically.
After the devil attempted a one world government and God shut it down by confusing language. The very next chapter we see him introduce Abraham and the start of his plan. Of course we know that Christ is the blessing, he is the one.
God in the old testament restrained the plans for a one world government by confounding language. He no longer did that come the day of Pentecost. The Spirit now indwelt in us the church restrains the plans of Satan for a one world government.
2 Thess 2........ 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
The general way this is usual explained is that the Spirit is holding back evil. I don't find that the case as the verse is specific. It is a person who is being held back.
That person is being held back by the Spirit using the church. When Christ asked who am I, Peter replied the Christ the son of God.
Christ in Matthew 16;18 says, And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Gates are a defensive weapon. In ancient warfare when you sieged a walled city they would at times sally out and counter attack. The gates would also open for campaign to allow ones troops to go and wreck havoc.
The word gate the ones that won't prevail is pyle in Greek. Here is what Strong's has to say..........."4439 pýlē (a feminine noun) – a large door; an entrance-gate to a city or fortress; a door-gate. 4439 /pýlē ("a door-gate") typically refers to the exit people go out, i.e. focusing on what proceeds out of it. "
The emphasis here is on what comes out of the gate. The spirit using the church is holding back a person keeping him from exiting hell or the pit.
In the absence of the church we read in Revelation what proceeds out of hell or the pit. As it is no longer being restrained shut.
Then mankind refused to see the truth and was given over to a reprobate mind. He gave them over to principalities and powers at the tower. However, he set apart for himself one nation to bring about the destruction of the god of this world both spiritually and physically.
After the devil attempted a one world government and God shut it down by confusing language. The very next chapter we see him introduce Abraham and the start of his plan. Of course we know that Christ is the blessing, he is the one.
God in the old testament restrained the plans for a one world government by confounding language. He no longer did that come the day of Pentecost. The Spirit now indwelt in us the church restrains the plans of Satan for a one world government.
2 Thess 2........ 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
The general way this is usual explained is that the Spirit is holding back evil. I don't find that the case as the verse is specific. It is a person who is being held back.
That person is being held back by the Spirit using the church. When Christ asked who am I, Peter replied the Christ the son of God.
Christ in Matthew 16;18 says, And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Gates are a defensive weapon. In ancient warfare when you sieged a walled city they would at times sally out and counter attack. The gates would also open for campaign to allow ones troops to go and wreck havoc.
The word gate the ones that won't prevail is pyle in Greek. Here is what Strong's has to say..........."4439 pýlē (a feminine noun) – a large door; an entrance-gate to a city or fortress; a door-gate. 4439 /pýlē ("a door-gate") typically refers to the exit people go out, i.e. focusing on what proceeds out of it. "
The emphasis here is on what comes out of the gate. The spirit using the church is holding back a person keeping him from exiting hell or the pit.
In the absence of the church we read in Revelation what proceeds out of hell or the pit. As it is no longer being restrained shut.
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I love prophecy …. Around here though it seems like an invite to arguments to discuss much of it I have a lot of ehh contrary understandings from the popular things I read here so I basically avoid talking bout it very much
because prophecy seems so mysterious and broadly able to be interpreted , because it’s based on figures and imagery and statements that are cryptic and partial and foretelling latter things ect people form really differing opinions on it and get passionate I’ve noticed so I sort of try to stay out of it lol mostly
Im always happy to discuss any prophecy you would like to suggest or discuss with me though I dont see an argument between us happening . Even if we dont fully agree on something we just listen and discuss
because prophecy seems so mysterious and broadly able to be interpreted , because it’s based on figures and imagery and statements that are cryptic and partial and foretelling latter things ect people form really differing opinions on it and get passionate I’ve noticed so I sort of try to stay out of it lol mostly
Im always happy to discuss any prophecy you would like to suggest or discuss with me though I dont see an argument between us happening . Even if we dont fully agree on something we just listen and discuss
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Thanks brother. Also sorry if before it came across that I was on attack when I mentioned the length of the siege of Jerusalem. I am not completely anti-social have gotten better since coming to the Lord. However, at times I still do come across as being combative or just arguing for the sake of arguing. So my apologies always if I come across as attacking or just being difficult. God is still working on my social skills......LOL
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In my experience it gets shut down before it really starts, but there are a few on here who keep it on the down low.
I am just learning but it has changed my life, set me free.
I am not able to message but if you have the ability feel free. I promise to tone down my intensity, can't help it is genetic. lol
I am just learning but it has changed my life, set me free.
I am not able to message but if you have the ability feel free. I promise to tone down my intensity, can't help it is genetic. lol