Did some sin against God? Did God create them to sin?
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Did some sin against God? Did God create them to sin?
So you agree that angels have the ability to do what God did not create them to do?
And that angels have the power to go outside of the kind they were created to be? I guess cats can make dogs and dogs can make fish? God's natural order can be changed by lesser spiritual beings is what you are saying?
Nothing in the scriptures says that angels had sex with women of the earth. Yet Jesus did say how the angels are in Luke 20 not what they have become.
Angels in heaven don’t marry because they’re all male.
all sin man does is to a man unless it is what God said HE sees as a sin to HIM, very simple. Sin offends God sin is disobedience to Him.Did some sin against God? Did God create them to sin?
I thought that the Old Test. believers were saved by FAITH!
I'd ask for a verse to back up your claim, but I know such a one does not exist...
Hey, listen, you are the one who claimed angels are all male and don't marry for that reason. The onus is on you to provide a verse to prove your claim, but as I said? I know no such verse exists. Nice try, though. Better luck next timeShow me a female angel in the Bible...
all sin man does is to a man unless it is what God said HE sees as a sin to HIM, very simple. Sin offends God sin is disobedience to Him.
Yet the ability to sin doesn't mean angels can remove the natural order of God where HE has established each after its own kind.
two early men can do what is sin yet, an angel and woman cannot do what God did not make them to do. it has never happened cat do not make dogs, fish do not make whales,and angels do not sleep with women.
Hey, listen, you are the one who claimed angels are all male and don't marry for that reason. The onus is on you to provide a verse to prove your claim, but as I said? I know no such verse exists. Nice try, though. Better luck next time![]()
No, no need to post names that could be either male or female for all we know, as that would prove absolutely nothing, nor posting verses where angels were said to be male. I never said there were female angels mentioned, so why hammer on me about it? Please provide the (non-existent) verse claiming all angels are male and don't marry for that reason. The onus is on you to prove your claim. I know you can't do it. Trying to turn the tables won't work. Or just admit it is an assumption you have made... especially the marriage partDo you really want me to post all verses where a male angel appeared? You know I will...
Im just asking for one female angel verse.
See post 188.
No, no need to post names that could be either male or female for all we know, as that would prove absolutely nothing, nor posting verses where angels were said to be male. I never said there were female angels mentioned, so why hammer on me about it? Please provide the (non-existent) verse claiming all angels are male and don't marry for that reason. The onus is on you to prove your claim. I know you can't do it. Trying to turn the tables won't work. Or just admit it is an assumption you have made... especially the marriage part![]()
Angels are always male. But there has been a lot of visual misrepresentation of angels.Im just asking for one female angel verse.
That is YOUR PERSONAL OPINION. YOu have ZERO Scripture to support your position.
That is an assumption. I would be more inclined to say they areAngels are always male. But there has been a lot of visual misrepresentation of angels.
That is an assumption. I would be more inclined to say they are
neither male nor female. But men often like to presume dominance.
When people saw angels, they saw them as males and they looked human. Females were created for reproduction for this age only, something the angels of God have no need for which is why there are no female angels.
I thought that the Old Test. believers were saved by FAITH!
You are maintaing that Jude quotes from the apocryphal book of Enoch. Often, this is put forward as a statement of fact in order to move forward to the much “larger” discussions regarding the meaning of extra-Biblical quotes, their place in Scripture, and the question of their inspiration.
At least that is what it appears you have done.
However, upon close study it can be seen that Jude did not quote the book of Enoch, but rather attributes the quote to Enoch, a specific individual we know that lived before Noah.
What Jude does do is he amplifies Enoch, the man.
Jude 14-15........
"Enoch, the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied about them saying, “Look! The Lord is coming with thousands and thousands of his holy ones, to execute judgment on all and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness that they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”
The CONTEXT is that Jude is writing a brief, but stern letter of warning “to those who are called” regarding false teachers. It is the false teachers that Jude says Enoch was prophesying about in his statement of judgement for their “deeds of ungodliness”.
That is not what the Bible says...When people saw angels, they saw them as males and they looked human. Females were created for reproduction for this age only, something the angels of God have no need for which is why there are no female angels.
Regardless of how you want to present it, Jude is quoting a prophecy from what was said by Enoch. And it is from Enoch as being a part of the scriptures, that Jude got the prophecy from. God obviously had His stamp of approval regarding Jude's quote of Enoch, because it is in His word. Not to mention that there is much in the writings of Enoch that supports the other scriptures regarding the sons of God who took human women as wives who bore the Nephilim and all that those angels taught mankind and thereby corrupting, as well as a better understanding of why the flood took place. In addition Michael and Gabriel are mentioned, as well as Noah, as the son of Lamech and how he might escape the flood. What is also mentioned is what both Peter and Jude wrote regarding those angels that were cast down into Tartartus, most likely referring to those angels who took wives. Therefore, Enoch enhances the information that is found in the Bible. True, some of the things that is written in Enoch seems strange and confusing, but we have to remember that the information is regarding what took place after God took him and his travels with the angels regarding all that he saw and experienced.
I personally believe in the writings of Enoch and also feel the confirmation of the Spirit. However, if anyone does not want to recognize the writings of Enoch, which were once a part of the scriptures, then they are free to their opinion, but I will not change mine.
This is fascinating to me from the point of the different positions in eschatology but as you read the first three verses of 1 Enoch would you consider it to be pre-trib.,,,post-trib preterist Amil. ect.? https://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe004.htm Why I'm asking is that if he says it is written for a remote generation who will be present during the tribulation then which position does it support and which will it harm?