WHO DO YOU NEED TO FORGIVE?

[Desertsrose]

I encourage you to look into the New Covenant. You are reading things from the Old Covenant mindset. NO place in the New Covenant "after" Jesus died and rose from the dead do we see that people need to forgive others to be saved. Jesus "before" the cross and resurrection told someone that they need to keep the commandments in order to inherit the kingdom of God. Is that what we tell people today? No, of course not - well some I suppose do say that if they don't know about the New Covenant.Jesus told a guy that was healed to go show himself to the priest as the law commands - do we do that today?What ever religion you are in - they have short changed you in the understanding of the true gospel of the grace of God. I encourage you to find a place where they actually preach the gospel of the grace of God in Christ's finished work on the cross - then you will understand that we are already forgiven and we now forgive others because we are in Christ.

Hi G7,


The way I look at this is ......... this is proof as to who is saved or not saved. It's producing the fruit of the Spirit to forgive your brother. It's called love. If you forgive your brother, it's proof that your a true believer and have a genuine faith.


1 John 3:10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.


1 John 4:20 If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen.

 

[Grace777x70]

Hi G7,


The way I look at this is ......... this is proof as to who is saved or not saved. It's producing the fruit of the Spirit to forgive your brother. It's called love. If you forgive your brother, it's proof that your a true believer and have a genuine faith.


1 John 3:10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.


1 John 4:20 If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen.

I agree - the love of God that has been poured in our hearts by the Holy Spirit will eventually cause us to walk in love - even to those that have done horrendous things to us. We love because He first loved us.

People can have their minds messed up because of an unrenewed mind from the circumstances but eventually love will win out and they will come around. Love never fails.

In the meantime - they are still saved and if they died the night before they "manifested" the love to forgive someone - they would still go to heaven.

In the New Covenant as new creations in Christ we forgive now because we have been forgiven - not in order to go to heaven.

God's forgiveness that comes first because of what Christ has already done releases His life in us to forgive others too but it is not done "in order" to go the heaven or that He hasn't already forgiven us.



Paul is exhorting Christians to be who they are already are and to forgive "because" they are already forgiven.

Ephesians 4:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.

Colossians 2:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions,


Colossians 3:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you.

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

Matthew 18:33
And should not you have had mercy on your fellow servant, as I had mercy on you?’

Matthew 6:12
and forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.

Ephesians 1:7
In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace,

2 Corinthians 2:10,11
To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; 11Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

Colossians 3:12-14
Put on then, as God’s chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience, 13bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive. 14And above all these put on love, which binds everything together in perfect harmony.

[video=youtube;Ga6Qtxzd6vk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga6Qtxzd6vk[/video]

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[longtrekker]

I agree - the love of God that has been poured in our hearts by the Holy Spirit will eventually cause us to walk in love - even to those that have done horrendous things to us. We love because He first loved us.

People can have their minds messed up because of an unrenewed mind from the circumstances but eventually love will win out and they will come around. Love never fails.

In the meantime - they are still saved and if they died the night before they "manifested" the love to forgive someone - they would still go to heaven.

In the New Covenant as new creations in Christ we forgive now because we have been forgiven - not in order to go to heaven.

God's forgiveness that comes first because of what Christ has already done releases His life in us to forgive others too but it is not done "in order" to go the heaven or that He hasn't already forgiven us.



Paul is exhorting Christians to be who they are already are and to forgive "because" they are already forgiven.

Ephesians 4:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.

Colossians 2:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions,


Colossians 3:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you.

[FONT=&quot]I like this – sometimes a person may feel compelled to forgive a person for fear of not getting to heaven. I’m not sure it’s real forgiveness as u may resent it as it's forced. It’s like dotting your ‘i’s and crossing your ‘t’s[/FONT]

 

[OneFaith]

I encourage you to look into the New Covenant. You are reading things from the Old Covenant mindset. NO place in the New Covenant "after" Jesus died and rose from the dead do we see that people need to forgive others to be saved.

Jesus "before" the cross and resurrection told someone that they need to keep the commandments in order to inherit the kingdom of God. Is that what we tell people today? No, of course not - well some I suppose do say that if they don't know about the New Covenant.

Jesus told a guy that was healed to go show himself to the priest as the law commands - do we do that today?

What ever religion you are in - they have short changed you in the understanding of the true gospel of the grace of God. I encourage you to find a place where they actually preach the gospel of the grace of God in Christ's finished work on the cross - then you will understand that we are already forgiven and we now forgive others because we are in Christ.

Colossians 3:13 says to forgive just as God forgives you (completely). That is an order, a command. Jesus says if you love Me you will obey what I command- therefore God counts obedience as love. The Bible says that even if you have all Bible knowledge, and surrender your body to flames, but have not love that you gain nothing. If we purposely don't obey God there "no longer remains a sacrifice for your sins."

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Definitely! However "forgive all" still applies. We must even forgive ourselves, if we want to go to heaven.

Trying to fit what Peter and Paul said in Acts 10 and 13 - in their word-for-word accounts of preaching the true gospel of the grace of Christ can "conflict" with some of our religious beliefs.

The truth is that they did not say. "you must forgive others before you can receive Christ's forgiveness - obtained by God's riches in grace which He purchased with His own blood for an eternal redemption and the complete forgiveness of sins"

There is no "conditional" forgiveness which is contingent on us forgiving first in the New Covenant which started after the Cross and Jesus fulfilled the law for us.

It's anti-the gospel. It is however 100% the law that we must forgive first in order to receive forgiveness in the law.

We forgive now because we are already forgiven in Christ. This is our new nature in Him in our inner man in Christ being expressed out to others.

Paul says in Eph. 4:22 to put on the new man in Christ - created in righteousness and holiness...then he shows us what this looks like in the next verses including this one below.

Ephesians 4:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.

Amen ......

 

[seed_time_harvest]

It's true that everyone that has been born of Incorruptible seed seeks to purify themselves even as they are pure but GOD has forgiven us once and for all time but If we offend our neighbor we should try to make It right with them.

 

[Grace777x70]

Here is a view of Matthew 6 and forgiveness through the finished work of Christ. I like to use this site sometimes as it has a place at the bottom of the article where people can ask questions. Many of us have the same questions.

Did Jesus Put Price tags on Forgiveness? (Matthew 6:14-15)

The gospel that Jesus revealed declares that God loves you like a father, he holds nothing against you, and he longs for his sons and daughters to come home. It’s the good news an orphaned world desperately needs to hear.

So why did Jesus say this:

For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. (Matt 6:14-15)

This sounds like bad news, as though you must earn God’s forgiveness through works of forgiveness. How are we to read these words? I’m going to give you three interpretations, and then you can choose.

1. Jesus is preaching law

As many grace preachers have said (including me in this post), Jesus was preaching law to those who lived under law.

Jesus was the greatest law preacher of all time. He preached law so the self-righteous would see their desperate need for grace.

The old law-keeping covenant has gone but the self-righteous who remain need to hear the harsh words of Jesus. The truth is you cannot earn God’s forgiveness. The measure of forgiveness we need is infinitely greater than any forgiveness we could show to others.

Did Jesus put price tags on forgiveness? In this passage, he does! But on the cross he paid that price on our behalf. The very condition for forgiveness that Jesus preached on the Mount, he fulfilled on the cross. Only in Christ do we receive the Father’s forgiveness.

2. Jesus is describing the fruit of grace

Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. (1 John 4:20)

Taylor Swift sang “Haters gonna hate,” but the lyrics are from John. Haters gonna hate because hate is in their heart. The fruit reveal the tree. But if you have been apprehended by the love of your heavenly Father you won’t be a hater anymore. You’ll be a lover and a forgiver.

Paul wrote, “Forgive as the Lord forgave you” (Col 3:13) and that’s the proper order. God acts, we respond. But if we don’t respond it’s as if God never acted. Do you see the connection? If we don’t believe God has forgiven us then Christ died for nothing. That’s what Jesus is saying here:

In prayer there is a connection between what God does and what you do. You can’t get forgiveness from God, for instance, without also forgiving others. If you refuse to do your part, you cut yourself off from God’s part. (Matt 6:14-15, MSG)

Unforgiveness is a form of bondage. It’s a grace killer. If you are unable to release forgiveness to others, you’ll have trouble experiencing the forgiveness that God has given to you.

It’s not that God will become unloving and travel back through time and stop Jesus from carrying your sins on the cross. God never changes! But if you don’t respond to what he has done, it’s as if he’d never done it. Grace without faith is worthless.

In the parable of the unforgiving servant, Jesus tells the story of a king who forgives an indebted servant (Matt 18:23-35). But the servant is unchanged by the king’s grace. By choosing to remain graceless and unforgiving the servant reveals his contempt for the gift and the giver. He does not, “Forgive as the Lord forgave you.” Instead he scorns grace and ends up miserable.

And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses. But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses. (Mark 11:25-26)

Again, there are two ways to read this: (1) as a law the self-righteous must obey if they are to keep up their charade, or (2) as an exhortation to walk in the grace of a Father who has already forgiven you in Christ.

“Paul, how can you say God has forgiven you when Jesus says he may forgive you?” Because I’ve seen the cross!

To forgive is to send your sins away and Jesus did that already. He will never do it again and you cannot undo what he has done (Heb 9:26). Because of Jesus God is no longer counting your sins against you (2 Cor 5:19).

The issue is not “what can I get God to do?” but “what God has done and what can I now do because of what he has done.”

Has someone hurt you? Are you the victim of an unforgiveable crime? By the grace of God you can be free from that wound! Don’t hold onto the sins of others like the unforgiving servant. You’ll be miserable. The flow of grace will be poisoned by the bitter root. Let go of sin and take hold of grace. Be better, not bitter. See the cross. See what Jesus did for you them forgive them in Jesus’ Name and be free!

3. It’s both, for Jesus speaks to all of us at our point of need

What you look through determines what you see. If you are trusting in your own performance, you will read Jesus’ words as law. “I must work to earn God’s forgiveness.” You cannot succeed! When life hurts you this law will condemn you as a law-breaker in need of grace, and the sooner that happens the better.

However, if you are trusting in Christ’s righteousness, you will read his words as an exhortation to walk in grace. You want more grace? Then give from the abundant supply he has given to you. Let no bitter root grow that causes you to fall short of grace (Heb 12:15).

Jesus spoke words the whole world needs to hear. The genius of Jesus was that he could speak to crowds of people and meet everyone – the self-righteous and the hungry – at their point of need.

It’s a mistake to dismiss the words of Jesus as irrelevant or old covenant or pre-cross. If it’s in the Bible it’s useful for training in righteousness (2 Tim 3:16). The words of Jesus either reveal the self-righteousness that leads to death or the Christ-righteousness that causes you to reign in life!

The followers of Jesus still know that he has the words of eternal life!

Here is the link below if anyone is interested in the questions that were brought up. Bless you!

https://escapetoreality.org/2015/08/...tthew-6v14-15/

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

It's true that everyone that has been born of Incorruptible seed seeks to purify themselves even as they are pure but GOD has forgiven us once and for all time but If we offend our neighbor we should try to make It right with them.

Amen, and well said.

Romans 12:18
If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.

Matthew 18:15-17
Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Post Regeneration,.......
We forgive all those who have sinned against us, as His Holy Spirit in us leads us to do.

But sadly, we can't always make it right and have peace with those who refuse to make it right and be at peace with us.

When they will not hear us alone, nor with witnesses, nor the church, we have to part ways.

We are governed by Love, but those on the other side of God are governed by hate.

Isaiah 57:19-21
I create the fruit of the lips; Peace, peace to him that is far off, and to him that is near, saith the LORD; and I will heal him.
20But the wicked are like the troubled sea, when it cannot rest, whose waters cast up mire and dirt.
21There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked.

1 John 3:10
By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.

[video=youtube;bNN9DBobCdw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNN9DBobCdw[/video]
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[oldethennew]

since Jesus has 'forgiven' me, us, there is absolutely no one that we can NOT forgive...

like' is another subject all together...TYJ...

 

[PrynceNY]

Matthew 6:15 - For if you forgive men their trespasses, your Heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive yours

People who believe in OSAS put their souls in danger if they believe they can hold on to bitterness and unforgiveness yet actually believe they will enter the kingdom

 

[seed_time_harvest]

"If" is a conditional statement...

Matthew 6:15 "But if you do not forgive others their sins, your heavenly Father will not forgive you of your sins."

Can a person come to GOD and not repent In TRUTH?
Without CHRIST a person has to be perfect on their own.If a person forgives their brother and they are not saved,will GOD forgive them?