Who Goes to Heaven?

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,, ,,, , ,, ,, , ,, Now, I've got a question for everyone on the thread: Is heaven why we believe? I mean, is that the goal of our faith?

i want to be with Jesus Christ and be a part of His Kingdom, i want to live forever in His service. That IS my goal.

^i^ Responding to post # 52
 
Where ever Jesus/Holy Spirit is is where the Kingdom of God is as well. If then Jesus is in you, the kingdom of God is within you as well, because where ever Jesus is, is where the Kingdom of God is. That is why Jesus said over and over again, the Kingdom of God is at hand., Because He was at hand.

^i^
 
Scriptures plainly teach Faith and Works go hand in hand.
You can have 100% Faith and no works, and not go to HEAVEN.
You can have 100% Works and no faith, and not go to HEAVEN.
Those who Truly have 100% Faith will have the 100% Works because of their 100% Faith.
Those who have True Faith will have works that reflect that Faith.
demons KNEW Jesus was the Son of God, 100% Faith that Jesus was the Son of God. But NO works, their works were evil.
i can have 100% Faith, and not forgive someone for trespassing against me. It is written if i do not forgive men their trespasses neither would my Father forgive me of my trespasses, i could have PURE FAITH, and still not go to Heaven
i can have 100% FAITH, and NOT love my neighbor, or LOVE ONE ANOTHER, and will not enter into Heaven, even though my Faith was at 100%.
It is written that our works proves what is in our heart. If a person has 100% Faith and no works, what does that say about that person heart? You can believe all you want, but that alone, according to Scriptures, is NOT enough. Woe to those who think it is enough, there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth.

^i^
 
DD, by placing faith in the work of the cross gives the Holy Spirit the legal means to work in you and through you. Therefore, by placing your faith in the right place, the Holy Spirit will cause you to do good works or in other words produce good fruit. They are not our works. God will not accept the work of man, He will only accept the work that has and will do. By placing our faith in His work and allowing Him to work through us gives us the reward. No man can say to God I did this or I did that. Jesus said that many will say Lord we danced for you and we sang for you and He will say to them depart from for I never knew you.

It is by God to God and through God and you nor me only our faith in His work.
 
Scriptures plainly teach Faith and Works go hand in hand.
You can have 100% Faith and no works, and not go to HEAVEN.
You can have 100% Works and no faith, and not go to HEAVEN.
Those who Truly have 100% Faith will have the 100% Works because of their 100% Faith.
Those who have True Faith will have works that reflect that Faith.
demons KNEW Jesus was the Son of God, 100% Faith that Jesus was the Son of God. But NO works, their works were evil.
i can have 100% Faith, and not forgive someone for trespassing against me. It is written if i do not forgive men their trespasses neither would my Father forgive me of my trespasses, i could have PURE FAITH, and still not go to Heaven
i can have 100% FAITH, and NOT love my neighbor, or LOVE ONE ANOTHER, and will not enter into Heaven, even though my Faith was at 100%.
It is written that our works proves what is in our heart. If a person has 100% Faith and no works, what does that say about that person heart? You can believe all you want, but that alone, according to Scriptures, is NOT enough. Woe to those who think it is enough, there will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth.

^i^
No one has 100% faith and (or) works in anything, 100% doesnt exist. This is because we can always improve our faith and (or) works.
 
No one. We will live on the new earth, not "heaven"

Actually we will see heaven when we transit from this age to the millennium, and then again as we go from this world to the new. But you are absolutely right, we will live on the new earth, not playing harps in the clouds (where did that image ever come from?).
 
I'll tell you who goes to heaven

(Christian mode on)

Those who love the lord with all their heart, mind and strength and those who love their neighbour as themself. For this is the highest of all laws and the one and only true faith.

(Christian mode off)

Nah. Here's who really goes to 'heaven':

Suppose I built a resort for homeless people. All I asked for their free use of it is that they stop and say thanks to me on their way in the door. That's it, say thanks and you're in, tell me to f*** **f and you can go sit on the curb in the weather.



Am I really being evil to all those who chose to sit on the curb?
 
If you're open to learning you will understand yourself and the world you live in and then the fear of the unknown will leave you, then you will no longer cling to things that help you cope with whats unknown.

The world’s top propeller heads say that 90% of what makes up the universe is unknown... that we can’t see or detect it except by how it affects that which we can see and detect. The God of Abraham tells us that there is indeed a whole ‘nother realm of existence, one that we are currently cut off from and can’t see or detect, other than how it affects that which we can see and detect. And oh by the way He also says He wants His 10% back.

You are right, pushing fear of the unknown is wrong. Seeking the wonder of it isn't.
 
Nah. Here's who really goes to 'heaven':

Suppose I built a resort for homeless people. All I asked for their free use of it is that they stop and say thanks to me on their way in the door. That's it, say thanks and you're in, tell me to f*** **f and you can go sit on the curb in the weather.


Am I really being evil to all those who chose to sit on the curb?
Yep, because if you need people to thank you for doing the right thing you're an ***hole.
 
Uhm, isn't showing respect and appreciation for a gift 'the right thing' in your world?

Well then, enjoy your stay on the curb.
 
The world’s top propeller heads say that 90% of what makes up the universe is unknown... that we can’t see or detect it except by how it affects that which we can see and detect. The God of Abraham tells us that there is indeed a whole ‘nother realm of existence, one that we are currently cut off from and can’t see or detect, other than how it affects that which we can see and detect. And oh by the way He also says He wants His 10% back.

You are right, pushing fear of the unknown is wrong. Seeking the wonder of it isn't.
Thats how people controll and manipulate people, they cut off their learning.
 
As it appears have you. That goes both ways you know.

Adios. Enjoy the curb.
 
Who goes to heaven? Are they the people who humbly repent of their sin, or are they the people who proclaim, “I am saved and you are not!”?

The answer seems obvious enough, yet there seems to be no shortage of people in this world proclaiming, “I am saved and you are not!”


Those that go to heaven will be the ones God judges that can go to heaven:

Rom 2:5 "But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;"


What is the standard/basis of God's judgment that determines if one goes to heaven or not?

Deeds

Rom 2:6 "Who will render to every man according to his deeds:"

Two different types of deeds men do: righteous and unrighteous.



Those judged to go to heaven: (righteous deeds)
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: ...But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:


Those judged NOT to go to heaven: (unrighteous deeds)
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;




 
Scriptures plainly teach Faith and Works go hand in hand.
You can have 100% Faith and no works, and not go to HEAVEN.
You can have 100% Works and no faith, and not go to HEAVEN.
Unequivocally, absolutely, utterly false. We do good works -- and this is exactly what James teaches -- not for salvation, but because of salvation.

Ephesians 2 NASB
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them. [Emphasis added]​

Paul said it all. Nothing more need be said to refute your post.
 
Then Paul must have been wrong, huh?
Ephesians 1, NASB
13 InHim, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation — having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
14 who is given as a pledge of our inheritance, with a view to the redemption of God’s own possession, to the praise of His glory.​

"Sealed with in Him -- the Greek is sfragizo and it means "to put a seal upon for: security from Satan; to hide as a letter in an envelope; as a mark; a confirmation; proofed as a text." There can be no doubt that a person with the "seal of the Holy Spirit of promise" is not only secure from Satan and therefore never to be subject to condemnation, but he/she is confirmed in Christ, "as a pledge of our inheritance."

We've gone over this before. People read this and read this and read this, and then pretend it doesn't say what it clearly states: arrabon is a "downpayment, earnest money." It is the confirmation of a promise for a set amount to be paid at a later date. It confirms a real estate contract, is in fact a legal term relative to a real estate transaction in the first century. So then the issue is, who makes the pledge? Obvious, God does. What requirement has He made of the one to whom He pays this earnest money?

None. Nada. Zilch. Zero. Big fat goose egg. There is no requirement. Faith meets the requirement, and that doesn't even come from within us. It is God-given -- the believer having nothing within him/herself that can even cause him/her to even seek God, much less believe Him. Everything comes from God: The faith to believe, the "down payment" confirming God's contract -- it is all God-given.

What is promised with this down payment? The "view to the redemption of God's own possession: Us! Please don't make the mistake of thinking "view" somehow qualifies that as some contractual obligation upon us. That is the simple Greek word eiß: "for, to, towards." It is His guarantee that our belief on Christ for salvation and eternal life will be honored at either the end of our life or our transfiguration, whenever that you want to believe that comes, depending on your end-times doctrine. There is no quibbling, equivocation, or codicils ruling that redemption. We believed once, we are promised resurrection, salvation -- heck, we've had that since we confessed Christ! -- eternal life, redemption, the kingdom of God. End of story.

The Holy Spirit seals us until the day of redemption...

Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

And when does that happen?

1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Take the hatpin test, if you are flesh and blood, you cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
 
Unequivocally, absolutely, utterly false. We do good works -- and this is exactly what James teaches -- not for salvation, but because of salvation.
Ephesians 2 NASB
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them. [Emphasis added]​

Paul said it all. Nothing more need be said to refute your post.

OK...

Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Jas 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
 
i want to be with Jesus Christ and be a part of His Kingdom, i want to live forever in His service. That IS my goal.

^i^ Responding to post # 52

Then you may want to consider where Christ will be...

Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, ...

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.