Who is a Jew?
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And now we know why the Bible says to dust off your feet as a witness when they don't receive you. 
I did my part as anyone here can see. Rich showed proof, I extended a hand to start fresh. He spat in my face. I tried the route of peace, he refused. I don't know what is wrong, whether it's a mental issue, emotional, but I know it comes from hate. I think it's time to stop putting wood on this fire.
"Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." Wipe the dust off, this person doesn't deserve Christian fellowship. Not until they repent of their hate.
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“Here we go again. God made an unconditional covenant, it has not changed, it will not change.”
is it based on what he said In the covenant he made with them or is the covenant God made with israel based on what modern Christian’s explain ?
can you acknowledge that Gods word is what defines the parameters and conditions of his own covenant he made with them ? If so we can understand what happened
his covenant with israel is defined by what he said to them
This is his condition that he himself made with isreal through Moses thier mediator it’s written in their covenant law that’s how we can understand tbier covenant by studying and accepting what’s in it what he said
After Moses had lead them To the edge of the promised land and wrote the law down taught the people everything God commanded them to do and not do he makes very plain the condition
both good and evil can result from thier covenant he set a choice before the. To serve him as thier God or deny him and serve other Gods
“See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
( this is Gods condition placed upon them and the result of what they do going forward ) notice he commands them to do the law and then says what hell do in response for them whether they break or keep his covenant( the entire law ) word will determine what happens when they go into the promised land
in that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
( here is his warning and further result of breaking the covenant he set before them)
But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: that thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.”
Deuteronomy 30:15-20 KJV
Frankly they broke his covenant repeatedly and worshipped every other god under the sun even worshipping the sun itself at times through history so all of the cirses he promised is how the covenant was fulfilled
Is this true if did he says if they broke his covenant this would come to pass ?
“When thou shalt beget children, and children's children, and ye shall have remained long in the land, and shall corrupt yourselves, and make a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, and shall do evil in the sight of the LORD thy God, to provoke him to anger:
I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.
And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you.”
Deuteronomy 4:25-27
God carefully speaks repeatedly
“When ye have transgressed the covenant of the LORD your God, which he commanded you, and have gone and served other gods, and bowed yourselves to them; then shall the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and ye shall perish quickly from off the good land which he hath given unto you.”
Joshua 23:16 KJV
“And I will send the sword, the famine, and the pestilence, among them, till they be consumed from off the land that I gave unto them and to their fathers.”
Jeremiah 24:10
“And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it.”
Deuteronomy 28:63 KJV
Later he would restore them through a new covenant after they broke his and received the curse within it
“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: but this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
Jeremiah 31:31-34
the law and prophets were only meant to bring the world to the gospel israels
Punishment meant thier land would become desolate d those that survived the terrible things determined on Jerusalem would be scattered into all nations carrying the gospel the new covenant thier curse became the worlds blessing and spread the gospel not the law or israels Old covenant but the gospel the new covenant into all the world so anyone who receives the one gospel will be saved
Ot the old covenant of Israel but the new covenant of Jesus and yo e who believes whether they were an Israelite or gentile beforehand
is it based on what he said In the covenant he made with them or is the covenant God made with israel based on what modern Christian’s explain ?
can you acknowledge that Gods word is what defines the parameters and conditions of his own covenant he made with them ? If so we can understand what happened
his covenant with israel is defined by what he said to them
This is his condition that he himself made with isreal through Moses thier mediator it’s written in their covenant law that’s how we can understand tbier covenant by studying and accepting what’s in it what he said
After Moses had lead them To the edge of the promised land and wrote the law down taught the people everything God commanded them to do and not do he makes very plain the condition
both good and evil can result from thier covenant he set a choice before the. To serve him as thier God or deny him and serve other Gods
“See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
( this is Gods condition placed upon them and the result of what they do going forward ) notice he commands them to do the law and then says what hell do in response for them whether they break or keep his covenant( the entire law ) word will determine what happens when they go into the promised land
in that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
( here is his warning and further result of breaking the covenant he set before them)
But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them; I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: that thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.”
Deuteronomy 30:15-20 KJV
Frankly they broke his covenant repeatedly and worshipped every other god under the sun even worshipping the sun itself at times through history so all of the cirses he promised is how the covenant was fulfilled
Is this true if did he says if they broke his covenant this would come to pass ?
“When thou shalt beget children, and children's children, and ye shall have remained long in the land, and shall corrupt yourselves, and make a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, and shall do evil in the sight of the LORD thy God, to provoke him to anger:
I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.
And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you.”
Deuteronomy 4:25-27
God carefully speaks repeatedly
“When ye have transgressed the covenant of the LORD your God, which he commanded you, and have gone and served other gods, and bowed yourselves to them; then shall the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and ye shall perish quickly from off the good land which he hath given unto you.”
Joshua 23:16 KJV
“And I will send the sword, the famine, and the pestilence, among them, till they be consumed from off the land that I gave unto them and to their fathers.”
Jeremiah 24:10
“And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it.”
Deuteronomy 28:63 KJV
Later he would restore them through a new covenant after they broke his and received the curse within it
“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: but this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
Jeremiah 31:31-34
the law and prophets were only meant to bring the world to the gospel israels
Punishment meant thier land would become desolate d those that survived the terrible things determined on Jerusalem would be scattered into all nations carrying the gospel the new covenant thier curse became the worlds blessing and spread the gospel not the law or israels Old covenant but the gospel the new covenant into all the world so anyone who receives the one gospel will be saved
Ot the old covenant of Israel but the new covenant of Jesus and yo e who believes whether they were an Israelite or gentile beforehand
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True enough. In the end someone will be right and someone will be wrong. We shall all see. lol
We'd had much better debates on this subject. It was bound to end up this way when based on a false preacher like Anderson.
Well, actually,it's more determining of the Jews position. But let me tell a quick story. First, God knows my heart, so this story is told in no way to brag on my abilities or anything I did, only what the Lord led me to say and do.
I met a Jewish man on Facebook. It was a Christian website committed to reaching the Jewish people. He was there talking about the persecution of Christians down through the ages. Others were angry with him, some were scoffing. I saw his post and told him I agreed, that both the Catholic and Protestant churches had persecuted the Jews down through history, leading to the Holocaust. I said that both sects had apologized for their anti- Semitism after the Holocaust, but I admitted our faults. Oddly, he asked to be my friend on FB and I said he would have to be my husbands too. He agreed.
I never once bashed his beliefs, I gently questioned his POV. I shared Scripture on my FB and my beliefs, but I would always mark remembrance of the Holocaust, wish him well on feast days. I didn't think I was reaching out to him in any special way and prayed about how I should approach him. My mother was going through cancer and I often asked for prayer for her. He always told me he and his wife were praying for her, and that was special to me.
Then out of the blue he PMed me. He told me that he and his wife had gone to a church that weekend and accepted Jesus into their hearts !! I was surprised and overjoyed. Not long ago he became my mothers friend on FB. He said " I'm a friend of your daughter. It is clear that you raised her right". He went on to say that I had had an integral part in he and his wife coming to know the Lord. When my mother read the post to me I was stunned and I cried. I did not realize I had that much of an influence, and I prayed I could have that with my family.
All that being said, I was raised to love and respect the Jewish people by my parents. And I will never cease to change that belief. God tells us to bless the Jews, and so I do, even those who do not want peace. God is still reaching out to the Jews in love and they are no more lost or worse than any other person who has not accepted Christ. Either way, we are brothers and sisters in the Lord as you say. I hope we reach out more to the Jews as God lifts their blindness, and to all who are lost. Blessings.
We shall all see. lolWe'd had much better debates on this subject. It was bound to end up this way when based on a false preacher like Anderson.
Well, actually,it's more determining of the Jews position. But let me tell a quick story. First, God knows my heart, so this story is told in no way to brag on my abilities or anything I did, only what the Lord led me to say and do.
I met a Jewish man on Facebook. It was a Christian website committed to reaching the Jewish people. He was there talking about the persecution of Christians down through the ages. Others were angry with him, some were scoffing. I saw his post and told him I agreed, that both the Catholic and Protestant churches had persecuted the Jews down through history, leading to the Holocaust. I said that both sects had apologized for their anti- Semitism after the Holocaust, but I admitted our faults. Oddly, he asked to be my friend on FB and I said he would have to be my husbands too. He agreed.
I never once bashed his beliefs, I gently questioned his POV. I shared Scripture on my FB and my beliefs, but I would always mark remembrance of the Holocaust, wish him well on feast days. I didn't think I was reaching out to him in any special way and prayed about how I should approach him. My mother was going through cancer and I often asked for prayer for her. He always told me he and his wife were praying for her, and that was special to me.
Then out of the blue he PMed me. He told me that he and his wife had gone to a church that weekend and accepted Jesus into their hearts !! I was surprised and overjoyed. Not long ago he became my mothers friend on FB. He said " I'm a friend of your daughter. It is clear that you raised her right". He went on to say that I had had an integral part in he and his wife coming to know the Lord. When my mother read the post to me I was stunned and I cried. I did not realize I had that much of an influence, and I prayed I could have that with my family.
All that being said, I was raised to love and respect the Jewish people by my parents. And I will never cease to change that belief. God tells us to bless the Jews, and so I do, even those who do not want peace. God is still reaching out to the Jews in love and they are no more lost or worse than any other person who has not accepted Christ. Either way, we are brothers and sisters in the Lord as you say. I hope we reach out more to the Jews as God lifts their blindness, and to all who are lost. Blessings.
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Zechariah 12:10 “Then I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication, when they will look toward Me whom they pierced. They will mourn for him as one mourns for an only son and grieve bitterly for him, as one grieves for a firstborn.
pay attention to Verse 11 it speaks of Armageddon. the Jews will be saved before Armageddon.
11 In that day there will be a great mourning in Jerusalem, mourning like Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddo.
even Jesus tells of the same thing as Verse 10
Matthew 23:39 For I tell you, you will never see Me again until you say, ‘Baruch ha-ba b’shem ADONAI. Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!
so the Jews will call out to the Lord and Zechariah tells us God will pour out His GRACE upon the Jews.
pay attention to Verse 11 it speaks of Armageddon. the Jews will be saved before Armageddon.
11 In that day there will be a great mourning in Jerusalem, mourning like Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddo.
even Jesus tells of the same thing as Verse 10
Matthew 23:39 For I tell you, you will never see Me again until you say, ‘Baruch ha-ba b’shem ADONAI. Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!
so the Jews will call out to the Lord and Zechariah tells us God will pour out His GRACE upon the Jews.
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Zechariah 12:10 “Then I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication, when they will look toward Me whom they pierced. They will mourn for him as one mourns for an only son and grieve bitterly for him, as one grieves for a firstborn
this must be what Paul was saying in Romans 11 [when they will look toward Me whom they pierced.] = All Israel will be saved!
when they will look toward Me whom they pierced. = Jews killed Jesus, not the Romans in God's eyes!
this must be what Paul was saying in Romans 11 [when they will look toward Me whom they pierced.] = All Israel will be saved!
when they will look toward Me whom they pierced. = Jews killed Jesus, not the Romans in God's eyes!
True enough. In the end someone will be right and someone will be wrong. We shall all see. lol
We'd had much better debates on this subject. It was bound to end up this way when based on a false preacher like Anderson.
Well, actually,it's more determining of the Jews position. But let me tell a quick story. First, God knows my heart, so this story is told in no way to brag on my abilities or anything I did, only what the Lord led me to say and do.
I met a Jewish man on Facebook. It was a Christian website committed to reaching the Jewish people. He was there talking about the persecution of Christians down through the ages. Others were angry with him, some were scoffing. I saw his post and told him I agreed, that both the Catholic and Protestant churches had persecuted the Jews down through history, leading to the Holocaust. I said that both sects had apologized for their anti- Semitism after the Holocaust, but I admitted our faults. Oddly, he asked to be my friend on FB and I said he would have to be my husbands too. He agreed.
I never once bashed his beliefs, I gently questioned his POV. I shared Scripture on my FB and my beliefs, but I would always mark remembrance of the Holocaust, wish him well on feast days. I didn't think I was reaching out to him in any special way and prayed about how I should approach him. My mother was going through cancer and I often asked for prayer for her. He always told me he and his wife were praying for her, and that was special to me.
Then out of the blue he PMed me. He told me that he and his wife had gone to a church that weekend and accepted Jesus into their hearts !! I was surprised and overjoyed. Not long ago he became my mothers friend on FB. He said " I'm a friend of your daughter. It is clear that you raised her right". He went on to say that I had had an integral part in he and his wife coming to know the Lord. When my mother read the post to me I was stunned and I cried. I did not realize I had that much of an influence, and I prayed I could have that with my family.
All that being said, I was raised to love and respect the Jewish people by my parents. And I will never cease to change that belief. God tells us to bless the Jews, and so I do, even those who do not want peace. God is still reaching out to the Jews in love and they are no more lost or worse than any other person who has not accepted Christ. Either way, we are brothers and sisters in the Lord as you say. I hope we reach out more to the Jews as God lifts their blindness, and to all who are lost. Blessings.
We shall all see. lolWe'd had much better debates on this subject. It was bound to end up this way when based on a false preacher like Anderson.
Well, actually,it's more determining of the Jews position. But let me tell a quick story. First, God knows my heart, so this story is told in no way to brag on my abilities or anything I did, only what the Lord led me to say and do.
I met a Jewish man on Facebook. It was a Christian website committed to reaching the Jewish people. He was there talking about the persecution of Christians down through the ages. Others were angry with him, some were scoffing. I saw his post and told him I agreed, that both the Catholic and Protestant churches had persecuted the Jews down through history, leading to the Holocaust. I said that both sects had apologized for their anti- Semitism after the Holocaust, but I admitted our faults. Oddly, he asked to be my friend on FB and I said he would have to be my husbands too. He agreed.
I never once bashed his beliefs, I gently questioned his POV. I shared Scripture on my FB and my beliefs, but I would always mark remembrance of the Holocaust, wish him well on feast days. I didn't think I was reaching out to him in any special way and prayed about how I should approach him. My mother was going through cancer and I often asked for prayer for her. He always told me he and his wife were praying for her, and that was special to me.
Then out of the blue he PMed me. He told me that he and his wife had gone to a church that weekend and accepted Jesus into their hearts !! I was surprised and overjoyed. Not long ago he became my mothers friend on FB. He said " I'm a friend of your daughter. It is clear that you raised her right". He went on to say that I had had an integral part in he and his wife coming to know the Lord. When my mother read the post to me I was stunned and I cried. I did not realize I had that much of an influence, and I prayed I could have that with my family.
All that being said, I was raised to love and respect the Jewish people by my parents. And I will never cease to change that belief. God tells us to bless the Jews, and so I do, even those who do not want peace. God is still reaching out to the Jews in love and they are no more lost or worse than any other person who has not accepted Christ. Either way, we are brothers and sisters in the Lord as you say. I hope we reach out more to the Jews as God lifts their blindness, and to all who are lost. Blessings.
I do not know if I have mentioned this before to you , but from a previous thread about the Jewish people , I read a lot of what you posted , and I learned a lot from your posts...I now have not long finished reading the OT , and it has so much about the things you posted because you backed it up with Scripture , so I thank you sister for the fact that you do not sway from the truth of Gods word...
You have been a blessing to me on this subject , and I just want you to know as you go through this battle...
...xox...
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