Who is Babylon? (poll)

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Who is Babylon?

  • Jerusalem/Israel/USA/Judaism

    Votes: 7 50.0%
  • Rome/Vatican/RCC

    Votes: 5 35.7%
  • Mecca/Islam

    Votes: 2 14.3%

  • Total voters
    14

Revelation 11:8​

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Matthew 23:37-39​

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
 
Jesus was crucified outside the city gates of Jerusalem.The symbolism of him laying down his life outside the gates and not inside of Jerusalem is liken to him coming for the sinners and not the righteous.
The be transformed by the renewing of your mind verse also connects symbolically to the place he was crucified.
Golgotha means place of the skull.
Everything starts from the mind before going to the heart.It doesn't matter if you're born again or carnal minded.It goes from the mind to the heart, and back out through words or actions.Good and bad seeds are planted from above to below.
If the kingdom of God is within,meaning New Jerusalem/Israel then where were you before that?
If there is a voice from heaven saying "come out from her my people" wouldn't that relate to the crucifixion of Jesus?
Where is the voice coming from?
From the literal heavens above?or the heavens within a certain number of people?
 
Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

Daniel had a vision of 4 beasts, 4 kingdoms.

Babylon- human wisdom, the occult, the kingdom of man, anything goes multiculturism.

Medo-Persia- physical cruelty in war.

Greece- human wisdom.

Roman Empire- pushing for territory, world domination.

The first 3 beasts will not have physical dominion again but their ways are still on earth.

The Roman Empire does not lose their dominion until Jesus puts down the world.

Which they shall become 10 horns the world divided in to 10 sections with a leader in each section.

Which they shall devour the whole earth, tread it down, and break it in pieces.

Which is by way of the new age christianity which is the religion of the antichrist which influences the world.

Which the antichrist comes from the 10 horns.

So the beast kingdom in Revelation is Babylon in spirit which she represents human religion, the occult, and the kingdom of man which is what the beast kingdom is about.

The new age christianity is an American plan.

Which they believe they will evolve to be spiritual, and greater, the 5th root race, 6th sub-race which America is the birthplace.

And humans did not evolve from apes but are of the same lineage but broke away from them about 7 million years ago.

And aliens will help mankind which they talk about the return of the gods.

2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

And Lucifer is a god, and an alien, and not a fallen angel looking at it that he descended from Venus to give mankind intelligence and will cause the world to evolve.

So they look at Lucifer as the good guy and Science is saying mankind could go extinct as a fear tactic to get the world to be on board to accept Lucifer and the next evolutionary process to escape it.

Science and new age spirituality are increasingly overlapping.

Modern fields like quantum physics, neuroscience, and psychedelics are validating or borrowing from concepts that new age beliefs have held for decades.

WW1, a set up, League of Nations.

WW2, a set up, United Nations.

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Ti 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Ukraine war, a set up, President Trump the new dictator and to prepare the way for the New Age Christ to negotiate peace in the Middle East which will result in a peace treaty.

Then he will push the agenda of the new age and things will change drastically.

The new age christianity interprets the Bible according to the occult and evolution, and people are going to evolve to be spiritual, and greater, and Jesus became an ascended master among others, and there is no personal God, but they honor the God of forces the power of the Cosmos, and the New Age Christ is the next world teacher.

Which will be the time they will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but according to their own lusts.

The top leaders of the Republicans and Democrats are actually working together which is the Hegel System which they set up 2 opposing forces and then they harmonize them together with a balance between them which they believe is a better system than either system alone and it brings the people together.

Which on the back of the dollar bill, Announcing the conception of a new order of the ages, and out of many, one.

America and Russia were working together the whole time as the 2 opposing forces of the Hegel System.

Which the one world government will be a balance between democracy and communism, and the unified religious system a balance between atheism and spirituality, the new age christianity which they believe they are going to evolve to be spiritual, and greater.

Isa 47:1 Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate.

Isa 47:8 Therefore hear now this, thou that art given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly, that sayest in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me; I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children:

Isa 47:9 But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood: they shall come upon thee in their perfection for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments.

Isa 47:10 For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me.

The daughter of Babylon is not a literal person.

She is a symbolic personification of the nation and city of Babylon.

The term virgin daughter refers to a city or nation that has never been conquered, retaining a position of wealth and untouchable prestige.

America brought back the Babylonian spirit anything goes multiculturism, human religion, the occult, which they allow all religions to be practiced there including the occult, and satanism.

Which mystery Babylon the mother of Harlots and abominations of the earth is the unified religious system representing all religions interpreted by the new age and the vileness of the system.

Which the Pope will be the head of it going by the new age christianity as the correct interpretation of the Bible which the Roman Empire has the dominion.

Which the new age is a Caucasian led plan.

Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

America is the key to the beast kingdom and Iraq will never have physical dominion again and does not fit this description.

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

No nation enjoys sin, worldly pleasures, fleshy delights, money, material things, like America.

Rev 18:6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

Rev 18:7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

Rev 18:8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

America will be judged for her part in the formation of the beast kingdom.

Their perspective of reality has changed that exalts people with no higher power above them so they want to establish that in the world believing they are doing the will of nature.

Rev 18:9 And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

Rev 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

Rev 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more.

America does trade with the world with the World Trade Center in New York.

America is not the nation we thought it was and only gave people freedom, a good life, prosperity, because it was part of the plan.

And allowed all nations, and religions to be part of the system in hopes to get them to cooperate to be as one.

But would also would cause divisions especially political so in due time they can go to a new form of government.

Which Trump was increasing the fighting by stirring up the patriots.