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newlife7
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I'm not sure about who is the harlot, but the bible does rail against following the doctrines of men
Who is Babylon the Great Harlot?
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kennethcadwell
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I think you are talking to the wrong person because I do not have my time tables screwed up, nor did I say half the stuff you mentioned.
The bible says that the famine happens in one day, and it does say Babylon will be destroyed in a day. Then famine will come to them, so if you take nuclear attack to a place no food or water will be edible in that area for a long time.
Where does the bible say the two witnesses only witness for 3 1/2 days or one weekend ?
I never said that, and the bible says the two witnesses prophecy for 1,260 days which is equal to 42 months or 3 1/2 years.
1,260 days = 42 months = 3 1/2 years
I did not say I was told that I could not teach prophecy by God. What I said is that God did not want me to focus and teach that at that point because the warnings of sin to believers is more important. Sin warning is more important then prophecy teaching, but I was not restricted or kept from prophecy learning. Just made to focus on the warning teaching first, and that time was 6 years ago. I am able to do both by the Holy Spirit's guidance now !!!
What scriptural proof do you have that the Great Tribulation lasts for over hundreds and hundreds of years ?
Every scripture that I have seen in studies, and other prophetic scholars have brought forward all say one of either of these;
1) time times and half a time
2) 42 months
3) 1,260 days
Time = 1 year......Times = 2 years......and half a time = 1/2 year
So they total 3 1/2 years for the first explanation, and when you compare it to the Jewish calendar of 30 day months then the 42 months and 1,260 days are all equal to the 3 1/2 years.
Yes wars and rumors of wars have happened for many years now, but that is not part of the Great Tribulation. The Lord Jesus Christ shows clearly these are beginning signs before the GT happens and not during.
Matthew 24:6
And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
He says all of this the wars and rumours of wars, pestilence, famines, antichrists will all take place for a while but these are only the beginning of birth pains and not the great tribulation period. And yes these will happen and last for hundreds/thousand years.
[h=1]Matthew 24:15-21[/h][h=3]The Great Tribulation[/h]15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’[a] spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place”(whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house.18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
No biblical scripture in the OT or NT says the Great Tribulation will last more then 3 1/2 years.
Daniel 9:27 says one week, and like I said one prophetic week is equal to 7 years and anybody who does prophetic studying of scripture knows this.
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kennethcadwell
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Yes it is a combination of different of countries/kingdoms/empires, but verses 3-8 in Revelation 13 is speaking of the main man of sin that will lead all of this. Revelation 13:11-16 is of the false prophet who follows and administers all the authority given by the man of sin. I showed clearly from 2 Thessalonians how the first beast in 3-8 matches the description of the man of sin, and how Revelation 19:20 description of the false prophet matches the second beast in 13:11-16.
Look all can deny what I say, but we can not deny clear scripture that I have given from the bible.
If they match up which 2 Thess does with Revelation 13:3-8, and Revelation 19:20 matches Revelation 13:11-16 it can not be ignored.
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kennethcadwell
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[h=1]Daniel 7:19-22[/h]19 “Then I wished to know the truth about the fourth beast, which was different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, with its teeth of iron and its nails of bronze, which devoured, broke in pieces, and trampled the residue with its feet;
20 and the ten horns that were on its head, and the other horn which came up, before which three fell, namely, that horn which had eyes and a mouth which spoke pompous words, whose appearance was greater than his fellows.21 “I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them,
( This parallels Revelations 13:5-8, and the horn that rose up among the 10 is the man of sin. )
22 until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom.
Kenneth,
Yes...your definition of "time" is NOT right, man!
A day = a year.
Read what I wrote! I use the Bible to give me the definition of "time"...... not a mans.
Those "studies" you read, I bet they are guessing? Obviously? I will use only scripture.
If you do not know about "time" in Revelation, then why ARE YOU TEACHING IT!!?!!?
Let's back this up.
To start in on your antiChrist, false prophet....or?
How about other key words then.....maybe?
Revelation 13:1
1. And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Revelation 20:8
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8 [/SUP]And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Isaiah 10:22
22. For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.
Whatever beast you think the first is, it is coming up out of the Middle East, specifically in/around Israel.
It is going to war with the Middle East (Israel- or whatever you believe the remnant/Israel to be?)
........and it is over the "time" period I explained earlier.
The 1st beast is one entity/religion---the ten horns are an extension of this 1st beast.
The false prophet comes up out of this 1st beast?
First, let's go.....?
Who or what is "the sea"?
Who are the "sand" of that "sea"?
They are being compared to two separate things here.....sand....and the sea.
All symbolic?
No matter how trivial one thinks this (the sand of the sea) is, ALL nouns in Revelation have a meaning, and they are there to give us an overall clue.
With this, we should be able to start to determine who the 1st beast is. (to me at least?)
Then from there, we should find the false prophet, man of sin, lawless one, son of perdition, the "antiChrist", the "number" of that man (666),...........and so on.
Because "he" and his "7 year reign" is tied into it all.
We have to cover this...... with this we will get our definition of "time."
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Ken,
Btw, if you believe we are all "Israel", "the remnant" or "the seed",.... I suppose we will stop here.
......Because you might believe that the beast and the false prophet, will rise up "anywhere" then?
No matter what...your definition of "time" in Revelation, is completely off bro.
Btw, if you believe we are all "Israel", "the remnant" or "the seed",.... I suppose we will stop here.
......Because you might believe that the beast and the false prophet, will rise up "anywhere" then?
No matter what...your definition of "time" in Revelation, is completely off bro.
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[SUP]1[/SUP] And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
[SUP]2[/SUP] And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
[SUP]3[/SUP] And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
[SUP]4[/SUP] And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
[SUP]5[/SUP] And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
[SUP]6[/SUP] And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
[SUP]7[/SUP] And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
[SUP]8[/SUP] And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
[SUP]9[/SUP] If any man have an ear, let him hear.
[SUP]10[/SUP] He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
1 to 10 still speak about the first beast brother.
Second beast and his description start on verse 11
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kennethcadwell
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First I will start by saying in your post #1165 you are comparing Revelation 13 with Revelation 20.
The problem with that is the battle of Armageddon where the man of sin and false prophet lead the battle of evil against the saints is stopped at the Lords second coming. And the Lord casts the man of sin and false prophet into the lake of fire.
Second Revelation 20 of satan leading Gog and Magog is after the Millennial reign of Christ, and Magog is Russia, so you can not compare one battle to the other as the man of sin and false prophet are already in the lake of fire at this point in Revelation 20.
Third I showed clearly from scripture how 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 which shows the description of the man of sin matches up with the 1st beast in Revelation 13:5-7. Then I also showed how Revelation 19:20 which gives the description of the false prophet matches the 2nd beast in Revelation 13:12-14. It is not hard to see the comparisons I gave which shows the man of sin leads the first beast and the false prophet is the second beast, not reversed.
Then you still have to go back to the OT prophecy books of Daniel and Isaiah, and Daniel gives more insights into the end times and the GT period. In Daniel 9 he says the man of sin makes a covenant (treaty) for one seven or one week depending on what translation you have. And pretty much all prophetic teacher say the same, that a prophetic week is a year, so 7 prophetic weeks would be 7 years.
He breaks it in the middle of the 7 years, or after the first 3 1/2 years and sets up the A.O.D. that leads to the final 3 1/2 years called the Great Tribulation. Which this falls exactly as the Lord spoke in Matthew 24 as well, as the A.O.D. starts the final 3 1/2 years or 42 months. Which also matches up with how long the man of sin is given authority over the world to persecute and kill Jews and Christians.
Scripture to interpret scripture is the key.....
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kennethcadwell
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I know this and have said all along the first beast goes all the way to verse 10, and the second beast starts at verse 11.
But what I showed is that verses 5-7 match the verses from 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 which is describing the man of sin.
Then the other thing I showed was how Revelation 19:20 which gives the description of the false prophet matches the description given of the second beast in Revelation 13:12-14.
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3[/SUP] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[SUP]4[/SUP] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
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[SUP]19[/SUP] And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
[SUP]20[/SUP] And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
OK brother.
If you believe Pope is false prophet, than who is the Antichrist? Is he Muslim.
John said he went out from us.
Why in revelation 13 said 10 horn and in daniel said 10 and other horn wich come up. mean 11 horn isn't it?
I know this and have said all along the first beast goes all the way to verse 10, and the second beast starts at verse 11.
But what I showed is that verses 5-7 match the verses from 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 which is describing the man of sin.
Then the other thing I showed was how Revelation 19:20 which gives the description of the false prophet matches the description given of the second beast in Revelation 13:12-14.
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3[/SUP] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[SUP]4[/SUP] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
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[SUP]19[/SUP] And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
[SUP]20[/SUP] And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
I am still not sure why
[SUP]5[/SUP] And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months
And you believe the first beast in power for 7 years?
But what I showed is that verses 5-7 match the verses from 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 which is describing the man of sin.
Then the other thing I showed was how Revelation 19:20 which gives the description of the false prophet matches the description given of the second beast in Revelation 13:12-14.
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3[/SUP] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[SUP]4[/SUP] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
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[SUP]19[/SUP] And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
[SUP]20[/SUP] And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
I am still not sure why
[SUP]5[/SUP] And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months
And you believe the first beast in power for 7 years?
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kennethcadwell
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We do not know who exactly the man of sin is yet as he has not been revealed yet.
The bible does give clear descriptions of what he will do though, and it says he will make a covenant (treaty) with the Jews for 7 years. This means he has to be in power already to have authority to oversee a treaty. The other descriptions show he stands in the temple claiming to be God, and goes to war against the saints and kills them. The first beast in Revelation 13 does this, and not the second beast as the second beast makes the world worship the first as such. The second beast does not make the world worship himself, as the man of sin wants and claims.
Revelation 13 does show the 11 horns just like Daniel just not in the same standard, as verses 13:5-7 is that 11th horn that rises among the ten. As Revelation 13:1 shows the 10 already exists, and then in verse 5 was given the mouth of the man of sin or 11th horn shown in Daniel 7.
Notice Daniel 7:22 shows that this beast lead by the 11th horn (man of sin) is destroyed by Jesus Himself at His second coming, or as Daniel states the Ancient of Days comes.
Remember also the 42 months does not speak of how long the 1st beast is in power, as it is only referring to how long it will have authority over the whole world.
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5[/SUP] And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
[SUP]6[/SUP] And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
[SUP]7[/SUP] And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
I don't see these verse said another horn being added.
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kennethcadwell
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The verses previously show everything else existing already, and then in verse 5 it says then the beast was given a mouth speaking blasphemies. This mouth that is given to this beast is the man of sin, which if you parallel it with Daniel of the 11th horn it says the same of how it speaks pompous or blasphemous things.
I am talking about why in Daniel there is additional horn make it 11 but in revelation only 10 and no additional horn.
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kennethcadwell
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The wording and the time period was different, as the book of Daniel was written by Daniel and was in Hebrew.
The book of Revelation was written by John and was in Greek, so the word usage and how they wrote it would be different as it is from different people.
Just like the four gospel books Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are not all done in the same word usage, as there are some differences in wording between the books yet they still all give the same message.
We can compare this to now days as well.
If you, me, and two other people sat and watched the same event and then wrote about it. I bet that even though we all write about the same event, all 4 papers will not have the same word usage in them.
This is where rightfully dividing and using spiritual discernment comes into play, as you take and use all prophetic scriptures of the end times together and see how they align. By doing this you can see more insight to the same event, person, or place. Example would be the beast with the 10 horns, in order to find out who will make up this beast one can go back and use the statue given in Daniel 2 as it shows the Roman empire as the legs of iron. Then when it moves down to the feet with the 10 toes it shows they are iron mixed with clay. The 10 toes parallel the 10 horns, so these 10 kings or leaders will rise within the Roman empire mixed with another faction. Which you then have the Muslims which have big communities in the European countries. The EU has the Roman empire within it mixed with Muslims, as one of the Roman empire nations Turkey has the majority of its population made up of Muslims.
Not to mention ISIS made a statement a few days ago about having a faction just south of Rome, and are getting ready to try to take over Rome.
They are the same. Daniel tells us that the Little Horn which comes up uproots 3 of the 10 leaving 8 horns 10-3+1=8.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]and the ten horns that were on its head, and the other horn which came up, before which three fell, namely, that horn which had eyes and a mouth which spoke pompous words, whose appearance was greater than his fellows.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
Please note that 10 Kings are here first. Then another horn, THE LITTLE HORN, will arise after the 10.
John tells us the same thing but in a different way. First John speaks of the same Little Horn as the 8th in a succession of Kings.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. [SUP]11 [/SUP]The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.
The underlined, I believe, is the Little Horn. Then John tells us of the same 10 Kings that Daniel discusses:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]“The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast.
So, these 10 kings who have no kingdom, but they receive "authority" as kings with the BEAST (Northern Islamic Terrorists). Apparently at some point 3 of these kings are replaced by the one king (LITTLE HORN) who rises up from this BEAST alliance. These 10 kings are waging war against the Saints before and during this time frame.
After this "beast" LITTLE HORN" AKA Man of Sin, AKA AntiChrist was slain, the remaining kings apparently lose their dominion but not their lives
[SUP]11 [/SUP]“I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. [SUP]12 [/SUP]As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.
The Harlot is Islam, the biggest false religion in the world whose followers behead Christians. Pretty obvious.
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Sophia
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The Harlot is "Jerusalem below", and she is the mother of all legalistic harlotry, including Islam.The Harlot is Islam, the biggest false religion in the world whose followers behead Christians. Pretty obvious.
Jerusalem has become Hagar, according to the Apostles, and her religion is Babylon.
This is proven by the relation of the Talmud to Babylonian Zoroastrianism (the religion of the Chaldeans), and the relation of Zoroastrianism to all the world religions except those who follow Christ alone.
Look up Zoroastrianism before you continue spewing nonsense. Islam is wicked, but not the ultimate form of wickedness which is to come. It gets worse.