Who is the false prophet and beast?

[Clayman]

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Who are these two characters cast alive in to the lake of burning fire?
Ill give my view and as quick a outline as I can to why I believe as I do, then by all means give your view for me to look at.

I have the timing at the end of the tribulation period, and there is a third character who is interacting with these two characters, the following verses have Satan bound for a thousand years who will then be released for a little while.

Im just going to get straight to the point, I may or may not fill in gaps another day. The Antichrist reigns over the earth in the first half of the tribulation and is the first beast.

In Revelation 13 we read, "And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea... the dragon gave him his power, his throne and great authority... And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed, and all the world marveled and followed the beast."

The second beast is Satan who entered unto him and healed him, we carry on and read, "Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon, And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence...whose deadly wound was healed..."

The Antichrist is healed of his deadly wound and like one of Gods prophets now performs signs like calling fire down from heaven, but he is not a genuine prophet he is now a false prophet.

Also as Nebuchadnezzar built a statue, history repeats itself and the false prophet now builds a statue of himself for people to worship, this statue though will actually come to life and this is the third beast. "He was granted power to give breath(life) to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed."

This is a very brief and simple outline, to reiterate how I see it the Antichrist is the false prophet, and the beast is the image or the statue of the Antichrist/false prophet made alive that are thrown alive into the lake of fire at this time, Satan the second beast is put on ice so to speak so God can use him again at the end of the 1000 years.


If you see them as different by all means give an outline of who these future characters are! As Im sure we all enjoy looking at and discussing different thoughts and viewpoints.

 

[Omegatime]

The antichrist will be a jew from the tribe of Dan and the other beast ( false prophet ) has a good chance of being the High Priest


Dan shall judge his people as one of the tribes of Israel.

 

[ThyKingdomComeSoon]

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Who are these two characters cast alive in to the lake of burning fire?
Ill give my view and as quick a outline as I can to why I believe as I do, then by all means give your view for me to look at.

I have the timing at the end of the tribulation period, and there is a third character who is interacting with these two characters, the following verses have Satan bound for a thousand years who will then be released for a little while.

Im just going to get straight to the point, I may or may not fill in gaps another day. The Antichrist reigns over the earth in the first half of the tribulation and is the first beast.

In Revelation 13 we read, "And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea... the dragon gave him his power, his throne and great authority... And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed, and all the world marveled and followed the beast."

The second beast is Satan who entered unto him and healed him, we carry on and read, "Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon, And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence...whose deadly wound was healed..."

The Antichrist is healed of his deadly wound and like one of Gods prophets now performs signs like calling fire down from heaven, but he is not a genuine prophet he is now a false prophet.

Also as Nebuchadnezzar built a statue, history repeats itself and the false prophet now builds a statue of himself for people to worship, this statue though will actually come to life and this is the third beast. "He was granted power to give breath(life) to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed."

This is a very brief and simple outline, to reiterate how I see it the Antichrist is the false prophet, and the beast is the image or the statue of the Antichrist/false prophet made alive that are thrown alive into the lake of fire at this time, Satan the second beast is put on ice so to speak so God can use him again at the end of the 1000 years.


If you see them as different by all means give an outline of who these future characters are! As Im sure we all enjoy looking at and discussing different thoughts and viewpoints.

It is too early to tell at this time who could be the false prophet or beast but with technology advancing rapidly who knows, within this generation it might be.

Peace.

 

[oyster67]

I have the timing at the end of the tribulation period,

Yes, or at least in the middle of it.

there is a third character who is interacting with these two characters

At least three end time baddies.

The Antichrist reigns over the earth in the first half of the tribulation

A part of it at least. He is very charismatic. Starts off making a big peace treaty.

and is the first beast.

He is the first seal (white horse) judgement.

 

[oyster67]

the Antichrist is the false prophet,

Not sure if they are the same person.

If you see them as different by all means give an outline of who these future characters are! As Im sure we all enjoy looking at and discussing different thoughts and viewpoints.

I think you are pretty close. We usually don't get a unanimous consensus, but I think you are pretty close.

 

[Blik]

It is too early to tell at this time who could be the false prophet or beast but with technology advancing rapidly who knows, within this generation it might be.

Peace.

The two main idols in our world today are astrology and the worship of Allah.

Even Christians today read daily in a newspaper about what their star sign says, looking for guidance from the stars instead of from God for that day.

 

[Clayman]

Not sure if they are the same person.

For sure, all the literature and commentaries I have pretty much all assume that the Antichrist and False prophet are two different characters empowered by Satan, So naturally that was my starting point as well and I guess for me it just left a few unanswered questions.

So I think there are two points that people seem to have trouble with because they already have a position. The first point is that the image is referred to as one of the beasts, and I think if one can see this point then the second point as to the how the AC and the FP can be one person might make more sense, ill try and give more reasoning to why I think this.

I read the bible quite literally so when the bible says 7 days of creation I actually believe it must then be 7 actual days. And my reasoning stems from this approach.

When I read of the image the Antichrist builds of himself, I also see a foretelling from Daniel ch 3

"Nebuchadnezzar the king made an image of gold, whose height was sixty cubits and its width six cubits. He set it up in the plain of Dura, in the province of Babylon. And King Nebuchadnezzar sent word to gather together the satraps, the administrators, the governors, the counselors, the treasurers, the judges, the magistrates, and all the officials of the provinces, to come to the dedication of the image which King Nebuchadnezzar had set up."

So I see the image being built with the same measurements and it will be huge, also I see the image coming to life as literal. That can speak and cause people to be killed.

Rev 13:15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.

The word breath here is "pneuma" which is normally translated spirit, so it could read to give spirit to the image of the beast.

Yet breath which is also a legit meaning reminds us of Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

Also the beast works in tandem with Satan and the false prophet to send word with signs to gather the kings of the earth for the great day of God almighty.

In Rev 16 the frogs are the false Words coming out of the mouths of the three characters to all those on earth, like the frogs in Exodus 8 they go everywhere like in peoples beds, ovens, kneading bowls they infiltrate everything, the call in Rev 16 will go out with the purpose infiltrate all and to gather all people in the world to battle.

Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14. For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

In context the beast in Rev 16:13 seems to be the huge image that can speak as prophesied in Dan 3 and like in Dan 3 gathers the world to it.

I know it sounds weird and I dont understand the mechanism of the image coming to life, my imagination can look at unclean spirits entering it, or its maybe a huge robot war machine that has some kind of AI or any number of weird imaginings that Ive heard.

But I do believe God gives Satan the green light to bring it to life in what ever way it plays out for I simply believe Gods Word even if its a very literal viewpoint.

He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast Rev 13:15

So there is this huge image that comes to life that speaks, that kills people it becomes a huge Idol, it also gathers with the kings and the armies of earth to make war with Him who sat on the horse and against His army, so it also seems fitting that its thrown alive into the lake of fire.

 

[Rondonmon]

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Who are these two characters cast alive in to the lake of burning fire?
Ill give my view and as quick a outline as I can to why I believe as I do, then by all means give your view for me to look at.

These two men are killed, as Dan. 7:11 states, the Beasts body is destroyed, and then he is placed into hellfire. So, why does Rev. 19::20 say they are cast alive? Because our souls never die, this simply means they will not be able to sleep in their graves like the rest of the Wicked until the 2nd Death/Resurrection they are taken as Spirit Men,. straight to hell, as soon as their bodies die.

I have the timing at the end of the tribulation period, and there is a third character who is interacting with these two characters, the following verses have Satan bound for a thousand years who will then be released for a little while.

Im just going to get straight to the point, I may or may not fill in gaps another day. The Antichrist reigns over the earth in the first half of the tribulation and is the first beast.

Since "THE TIMING" is at the end of the 70th week troubles, and the Beast only rules 42 months, that means he will not rule as a "BEAST" until the last 1260 days or 2nd half of the 70th week, its simple math. The Anti-Christ BECOMES the Beast by conquering Israel and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region, but for the first half of the 70th week he is merely the President of the European Union. Israel joins the E.U. that is the AGREEMENT (Covenant) Israel enters into which kicks off the 70th week. He never rules over the WHOLE EARTH, that is just people not studying hard enough tbh. Go look at Daniel chapter 2, the 3rd Beast also was said to rule over the WHOLE EARTH, and Nebuchadnezzar was going to rule over anywhere that men laid their heads. So, the Anti-Christ will indeed rule over every square inch of the EARTH being spoken about, BUT...........That 7 Headed Beast is only over and around the Mediterranean Sea region, it says so, the Beasts came out of the Great Sea (Mediterranean Sea). We know that 1/3 of the world will be burning (the New World). The Anti-Christ is the E.U. President then he conquers (SEE Dan. 11:40-43) Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region.

In Revelation 13 we read, "And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea... the dragon gave him his power, his throne and great authority... And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed, and all the world marveled and followed the beast."

Satan is over al the kingdoms of this earth, Satan told Jesus that in Luke 4. The Mortal Wound to the Seven Headed Beast came about when Rome was turned into a conveyor belt of the Gospel, no man can be killed a reborn. That just bad guessing by other men.

1.) The A.C. is a European President.

2.) The False Prophet will be a Jewish High Priest gone Rogue.

 

[oyster67]

I read the bible quite literally so when the bible says 7 days of creation I actually believe it must then be 7 actual days.

Me too.

 

[JohnBiycs]

Satan and Satan. They're one in the same when dealing with the symbolic titles they represent.
The second beast is Satan's role of false Christ, as Christ teaches so clearly. The false prophet is that self same role.
These are stripped from Satan before he himself ever is killed in the lake of fire. Because they are roles for the 666.
When Satan is loosed after the 1,000 years, we read he has no roles. He gathers all evil forces to himself against God at the end of that time, without deceptive tactics.

 

[oyster67]

Satan and Satan. They're one in the same when dealing with the symbolic titles they represent.
The second beast is Satan's role of false Christ, as Christ teaches so clearly. The false prophet is that self same role.
These are stripped from Satan before he himself ever is killed in the lake of fire. Because they are roles for the 666.
When Satan is loosed after the 1,000 years, we read he has no roles. He gathers all evil forces to himself against God at the end of that time, without deceptive tactics.

Interesting take on things, but there is no reason why we need 3 distinct labels if there is only one creature. Trying to overcomplicate things is not the goal of God's revelation to man. I prefer a straightforward interpretation. I believe multiple entities are casted into the Lake (and not all at the same time either.)

 

[JohnBiycs]

The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit. Three distinct labels.
The Dragon, the Beast, the False Prophet. Mark 13. Revelation 19:20.
The Lord repeats these teachings whereby its impossible to miss.
Revelation 12:9. People may say there is no reasons. But peoples reasonings do not apply to scripture.
Gods words as written is what matters.

 

[oyster67]

The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit. Three distinct labels.
The Dragon, the Beast, the False Prophet. Mark 13. Revelation 19:20.
The Lord repeats these teachings whereby its impossible to miss.
Revelation 12:9. People may say there is no reasons. But peoples reasonings do not apply to scripture.
Gods words as written is what matters.

Three distinct entities which interact one with another.

 

[Flannery]

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshiped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Who are these two characters cast alive in to the lake of burning fire?
Ill give my view and as quick a outline as I can to why I believe as I do, then by all means give your view for me to look at.

I have the timing at the end of the tribulation period, and there is a third character who is interacting with these two characters, the following verses have Satan bound for a thousand years who will then be released for a little while.

Im just going to get straight to the point, I may or may not fill in gaps another day. The Antichrist reigns over the earth in the first half of the tribulation and is the first beast.

In Revelation 13 we read, "And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea... the dragon gave him his power, his throne and great authority... And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed, and all the world marveled and followed the beast."

The second beast is Satan who entered unto him and healed him, we carry on and read, "Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth and he had two horns like a lamb and spoke like a dragon, And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence...whose deadly wound was healed..."

The Antichrist is healed of his deadly wound and like one of Gods prophets now performs signs like calling fire down from heaven, but he is not a genuine prophet he is now a false prophet.

Also as Nebuchadnezzar built a statue, history repeats itself and the false prophet now builds a statue of himself for people to worship, this statue though will actually come to life and this is the third beast. "He was granted power to give breath(life) to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed."

This is a very brief and simple outline, to reiterate how I see it the Antichrist is the false prophet, and the beast is the image or the statue of the Antichrist/false prophet made alive that are thrown alive into the lake of fire at this time, Satan the second beast is put on ice so to speak so God can use him again at the end of the 1000 years.


If you see them as different by all means give an outline of who these future characters are! As Im sure we all enjoy looking at and discussing different thoughts and viewpoints.

What do you believe about the reign of the Antichrist and his relationship to the False Prophet? Politically throughout the histories of the Jacobines and Ishmaelites, Israel has been a sole Kingship, and only one prophet has been in authority at a time (they are anointed in liner order for life, as are the Kings). Babylon or Arabia in its several Islamic states and according to many Eastern scholars also India is known for tribalism, and tribal councils, in which each council is made up of many individuals all of whom are equally kings to his own tribe. Babylon and Egypt in the Bible both feature many Chaldeans per reign, and in its new age movement face here in the west, the same is true, many cities feature a plethora of palm readers and card readers in a few city blocks.

The Antichrist, in spite of this, will be drawn from the ranks of Apostate Israel, a sole proprietorship among Kingdoms. In your opinion, as this happens, will his and the False Prophet's emergence be due to a bad apple in each of the preexisting legal lines of prophet's and kings, or by a Darwinian style competition among many such people in Israel?

 

[Yahshua]

Ill give my view and as quick a outline as I can to why I believe as I do, then by all means give your view for me to look at.

My view...more or less.


Characters:
Dreadful Beast of Daniel 7 = Pagan Roman Empire

The Beast = The Beast of the Sea = Beast of the Pit = Little Horn of Daniel 7 = Holy Roman Empire (Papal Rome)

The False Prophet = United States of America

The Locust = Muslims/Saracens/Arabs

The Angel of the Abyss = Allah

4 Angels from the East = 2oomil horse & riders = Ottoman Turks

Two witnesses = 144k = saints = elect = Believing Jews & Believing Gentiles over the nearly two millennia


Timing:
Seal 1 = antichrist spirit (loosed 1st century)
Seal 2 = spirit of war (loosed 1st century)
Seal 3 = spirit famine ((loosed 1st century)
Seal 4 = spirit of disease & death (loosed 1st century)
Seal 5 = martyrdom of disciples (in 1st century)
Seal 6 = Wrath of the Lamb = destruction/desolation of the Temple and of Jerusalem; judgment of Jews (70AD)
Seal 7 = Silence due to no Temple worship, but eventual prayers sent up by the elect in preparation to judge the Roman Empire (70AD to 400AD); Includes trumpets:

Trumpet 1 = Barbarian Goths invade the western part of The Roman Empire
Trumpet 2 = Barbarian Vandal navy would constantly attack and loot Roman ships in the 400s.
Trumpet 3 = Barbarian Huns led by Attila (called "scourge of god") attack the Roman Empire
Trumpet 4 = Barbarian Heruli conquer the Roman Empire's capital; dark ages begin
Trumpet 5 = 1st woe = Saracen (Arabs) invade the south and east areas of the Roman Empire
Trumpet 6 = 2nd woe = Ottoman Turks invade the Roman Empire from the east in 1062AD

1260 days = 42 months = time, times, half time from daniel 12 = 1,260 human years (from 538AD to 1798AD and from 688AD to 1948AD)

Trumpet 7 = 3rd woe = Wrath Of God. Includes chapters 15-19. Includes Bowls:

Bowl 1 = (likely) Explosion of Cancers & Tumors worldwide since late 1900s
Bowl 2 = Mass death of marine life has been occurring since 2010
Bowl 3 = Rivers, Springs, and fresh-water sources (for drinking) are polluted since 2016
Bowl 4 = "global warming"/"climate change"; 2019 was known as "The year the world burned". global wildfires
Bowl 5 = Decline of USA & world; civil unrest, protests, riots. The USA was known as a "shining city on a hill" but the light has dimmed
Bowl 6 = The Euphrates has been drying since 1931; in 1970 Turkey, Syria, and Iran built dams further drying the river.

Frog Spirits = I believe we are here today (since 2010) the media has been preparing the world for an "alien" invasion since Messiah returns from the sky.

Bowl 7 = Return of the King, destruction of The USA, destruction of the world's armies, destruction of The Papacy, destruction of Edom, return of Israel to the land, satan imprisoned

1000 years = Promised Sabbath = Millennium Reign of saints over the nations with a rod of iron, correcting all errors in faith and removing all pagan corruption from the faith. Return of Israel to the land

Gog & Magog = Resurrection of the unrighteous, freeing satan to deceive again, gathering and final destruction of all who would never believe or be obedient.

 

[TMS]

The Beast = The Beast of the Sea = Beast of the Pit = Little Horn of Daniel 7 = Holy Roman Empire (Papal Rome)

If you study history with the bible as a guide there is identifying makes for each.

If the makes don't fit you have it wrong.

People throughout history identified these powers correctly but today there is so much (smoke) false teachings people are going in every direction.

The Dragon = Satan.
The Beast = Roman Catholic church.
The False prophet = America and apostate protestantism..

 

[Pilgrimshope]

The two main idols in our world today are astrology and the worship of Allah.

Even Christians today read daily in a newspaper about what their star sign says, looking for guidance from the stars instead of from God for that day.

Amen also money is a big idol today

 

[TMS]

All from the bible
What power ticks all these boxes.....

A. It rises from the sea (verse 1).

B. It is the composite of the four beasts in Daniel chapter 7 (verse 2).

C. The dragon gives it power and authority (verse 2).

D. It receives a deadly wound (verse 3).

E. Its deadly wound is healed (verse 3).

F. It is a strong political power (verses 3, 7).

G. It is a strong religious power (verses 3, 8).

H. It is guilty of blasphemy (verses 1, 5, 6).

I. It wars with and overcomes the saints (verse 7).

J. It rules for 42 months (verse 5).

K. It has a mysterious number—666 (verse 18).

 

[Yahshua]

If you study history with the bible as a guide there is identifying makes for each.

If the makes don't fit you have it wrong.

People throughout history identified these powers correctly but today there is so much (smoke) false teachings people are going in every direction.

The Dragon = Satan.
The Beast = Roman Catholic church.
The False prophet = America and apostate protestantism..

I agree, there are strong markers.

From my perspective, The Roman Catholic Church would more closely be the great harlot that rides atop The Beast of the sea (representing the congregation of Catholics - both clergy and laity), not the beast itself. A few reasons why:

- The Roman Catholic church never received a deadly wound or officially ended...but The Roman Papacy that leads it did end. The Papacy rose as "the Holy Roman Empire" roughly 538AD, then it ended in 1798AD because of the French, but then in 1929AD it was restored during the Lateran treaty, with newspapers literally printing "wound healed" and it has existed ever since. The beast that was...is not...yet is.


- Congregations or groups of people are often symbolized as women in scripture, while kingdoms or government entities are symbolized as beasts (e.g. Lion-Babylon, bear-Medo-Persia, Leapard-Greece, dreadful beast-Rome). The Roman Catholic Church isn't a political power, but The Papacy is. The Papacy is literally a temporal government with an army, no different from France or the USA.

- The Beast is said to persecute the saints for 42 months. The Papacy was in power from roughly 583 to 1798 before it ended. That's 1260 years or 42 prophetic months. During that time The office of the Pope persecuted protestants and believing Jews through the Spanish Inquisition, the Crusades, and colonialism...and the Pope outlawed ownership of the bible and justified slavery through Papal Bull Dum Diversas.

- The Beast is said to have names of blasphemy. The Roman Catholic Church doesn't really have any blasphemous names except "mother church that birth all other denominations/churches" (which really calls to The Woman's name "Mother of Harlots"). But Papal Rome was called the "Holy" Roman Empire, and the pope is known as "the vicar of Christ", "God in the flesh", "God on earth", "King of Kings", and more.

- The little horn will think to change times and laws. The Papacy established the world's current calendar and claimed Sunday is the new day of rest and changed the commandments.


So these are a few reasons why I say The Beast is The Papacy; Papal Rome. And The Roman Catholic church is supported/carried by The Papacy. The Woman Rides the Beast of the Sea.