Who is the king of the north?

[journey41]

Daniel 11:45
(45) And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.
Daniel 9:16
(16) O Lord, according to all thy righteousness, I beseech thee, let thine anger and thy fury be turned away from thy city Jerusalem, thy holy mountain: because for our sins, and for the iniquities of our fathers, Jerusalem and thy people are become a reproach to all that are about us.

Could Islam be the king of the north prophesied in Daniel 11?
They have the dome of the rock on the glorious holy mountain and have become a major force in the world today.

The king of the North is Europe. Have you been watching the news lately? The EU recently stated that they plan by next year to intergrate all the member states economies & stated they may need to change the economic system. They also stated that the FEDERATION will truly be born next year. This is the kingdom, the 10 kings come out of. The false prophet will emerge from them shortly after established and this kingdom happens to be NORTH of Jerusalem. note: no such thing as north west, north east etc back then, only N. S. W. E.

The muslim nations are referred to as the kings of the EAST and kings of the South. These ones (east) God also refers to as the Medes (Iran and her allies) These will stand up when the false prophet destroys the Dome of the Rock. This is where all the armies will gather to fight the big battle (kings of the north v's kings of the east) This will be a massive blood bath and is referred to as the Winepress.

 

[Laodicea]

The king of the North is Europe. Have you been watching the news lately? The EU recently stated that they plan by next year to intergrate all the member states economies & stated they may need to change the economic system. They also stated that the FEDERATION will truly be born next year. This is the kingdom, the 10 kings come out of. The false prophet will emerge from them shortly after established and this kingdom happens to be NORTH of Jerusalem. note: no such thing as north west, north east etc back then, only N. S. W. E.

The muslim nations are referred to as the kings of the EAST and kings of the South. These ones (east) God also refers to as the Medes (Iran and her allies) These will stand up when the false prophet destroys the Dome of the Rock. This is where all the armies will gather to fight the big battle (kings of the north v's kings of the east) This will be a massive blood bath and is referred to as the Winepress.

The 10 kings that you refer to I believe has already happened. Look at the prophecy in Daniel 2. Babylon was the head of gold immediately they fell medo-Persia took over immediately they fell Greece took immediately they fell Rome took over.
So because the prophecy has followed this pattern then the rest of the prophecy must follow it as well, immediately Rome fell it was divided into 10 nations. Daniel 7 covers the same time period as Daniel 2 but with more information, and the little horn that arose just after these kings was Papal Rome.

Also Islam are the only one at the moment who can fulfill the prophecy of the king of the north in Daniel 11. They have had their temple on the glorious holy mountain for some time and if anyone was to do anything to it there would be a holy war.

It is good to look at different views to hear what people think

 

[journey41]

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quote=Laodicea;480821]The 10 kings that you refer to I believe has already happened. Look at the prophecy in Daniel 2. Babylon was the head of gold immediately they fell medo-Persia took over immediately they fell Greece took immediately they fell Rome took over.
So because the prophecy has followed this pattern then the rest of the prophecy must follow it as well,immediately Rome fell it was divided into 10 nations.

You've got it all correct except for Rome being divided into 10 nations. This is not what the feet and ten toes stand for. This information will throw you way off track. The 10 toes (leaders, nations) are the last kingdom to arise before Christ comes and destroys the whole image.

Daniel 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

This is Europe, and the system originated from Rome (iron) but will mix with other leaders (some clay, the weaker nations and they dont mix well) but the system will change (new world order & cashless society) You could call this modern day Rome I suppose as like then it will be a huge empire, even stronger and bigger, but it has modernised with other leaders.

From original Rome came British empire, and from Britain came USA & Australia included, but the mother is Rome. We have the same system. Democracy.

Daniel 7 covers the same time period as Daniel 2 but with more information, and the little horn that arose just after these kings was Papal Rome.

The little horn that will arise from these 10 kings is the false prophet. Most christians call him the anti-christ. There is only one, not two. He will be their leader. He is the one that has eyes like a man, because he is a man, as he is the one Satan has chosen to perform and carry out the duty of killing the saints and to lead the attack on Israel. He also has a mouth speaking great things (blasphemy) and he proclaims to be God, with his lying wonders to back him up.

Daniel 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time (3 1/2 yrs)

Also Islam are the only one at the moment who can fulfill the prophecy of the king of the north in Daniel 11. They have had their temple on the glorious holy mountain for some time and if anyone was to do anything to it there would be a holy war.

This is where it doesn't fit. The king of the North invades Israel (False prophet and his european army, 10 kings) Then the medes stand up and the euphrates river is dried so that they can cross over. This is the kings of the East. IRAN and her allies will be with her. And yes, the Muslims will be angry that the temple is destroyed by the false prophet and will declare war.

It is good to look at different views to hear what people think

[/QUOTE]Yes it is, for sometimes we can get stuck on an interpretation and it throws us all out of whack, , but if we look at the scriptures they have to connect. Look at whats happening in the world at the moment and the way things are taking shape. It is all leading to prophesy which has yet to be fulfilled (end times) USA is bankrupt and will join Europe soon. These kings will then rule the entire world and go after the saints.

 

[Lad]

Just wanna quickly add a little thing here, the amil and postmil views were started by augustine not Jesus, the apostles or the early church. Augustine started this because his greek thinking couldnt handle having a Spiritual King reign on a physical earth. I personally think we should take the millenial reign literally and believe Jesus will come before it, to start it.

I DONT however believe in dispensationalism, its another fallacy created by man and wasnt believed by the early church either. Lets all go back to our Jewish roots!

 

[Laodicea]

[You've got it all correct except for Rome being divided into 10 nations. This is not what the feet and ten toes stand for. This information will throw you way off track. The 10 toes (leaders, nations) are the last kingdom to arise before Christ comes and destroys the whole image.

When Rome fell in 476 AD it was divided into ten nations The nations in Daniel 2 & 7 followed each other in succession so when Rome fell we have to have the same thing, we have to have the division into 10 at the time that Rome fell because that is how the prophecy is working

 

[zone]

Just wanna quickly add a little thing here, the amil and postmil views were started by augustine not Jesus, the apostles or the early church. Augustine started this because his greek thinking couldnt handle having a Spiritual King reign on a physical earth. I personally think we should take the millenial reign literally and believe Jesus will come before it, to start it.

I DONT however believe in dispensationalism, its another fallacy created by man and wasnt believed by the early church either. Lets all go back to our Jewish roots!

ya right.
a literal 1,000 reign IS DSPENSATIONALISM!

Dispensationalism is a Judaic deception (unbelieving Talmudists), so your last remark isn't a surprise.
LOL!

 

[zone]

The 10 kings that you refer to I believe has already happened. Look at the prophecy in Daniel 2. Babylon was the head of gold immediately they fell medo-Persia took over immediately they fell Greece took immediately they fell Rome took over.
So because the prophecy has followed this pattern then the rest of the prophecy must follow it as well,immediately Rome fell it was divided into 10 nations.

you are right Lao.
the TEN toes are the Ten Caesars who reigned WITH the SEVEN Herods, DURING the Time of Christ.

Daniel 2:44
"In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.

the Stone made without hands crashed into those TOES (clay and iron) and toppled all resistence (eternal) to Christ's Kingdom (which IS underway....Rev 20).....until the very end, then SATAN IS RELEASED FOR HIS SHORT SPACE to deceive the nations.

the Papacy is STILL in league with Edomite "kings", and the HEAD that received the deadly wound IS ALREADY BACK TO LIFE....but folks keep lookin' in the wrong direction

what a devious plan because Mystery, Babylon the Great has managed to use the whole world to setup the SYSTEM which will introduce the son of perdition....somewhere along the line some Christians were deceived into transferring their love and loyality from Jesus, to the Harlot.

amazing.

 

[kentappel]

One more thing to add, I am not sayng that we are not nearing the end but I really don't think we can know for sure as maybe God doesn't want us to know but he wants us to be ready for His return at any time.

The key though is not every political line up here on earth, it is our own behaivor as we are not supposed to be eating and drinking with the drunkards you know, we should be keeping ourselves sanctified and ready for when He does return.

But back to the King of the North, is there anyone here who still thinks it is Russia?

 

[Laodicea]

you are right Lao.
the TEN toes are the Ten Caesars who reigned WITH the SEVEN Herods, DURING the Time of Christ.

Daniel 2:44
"In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.

the Stone made without hands crashed into those TOES (clay and iron) and toppled all resistence (eternal) to Christ's Kingdom (which IS underway....Rev 20).....until the very end, then SATAN IS RELEASED FOR HIS SHORT SPACE to deceive the nations.

the Papacy is STILL in league with Edomite "kings", and the HEAD that received the deadly wound IS ALREADY BACK TO LIFE....but folks keep lookin' in the wrong direction

what a devious plan because Mystery, Babylon the Great has managed to use the whole world to setup the SYSTEM which will introduce the son of perdition....somewhere along the line some Christians were deceived into transferring their love and loyality from Jesus, to the Harlot.

amazing.

Interesting thoughts Zone

I beleive that the division would have happened after Pagan Rome fell in 476 AD, because the rest of the prophecy tells us that the kingdom fell first then the next took over straight away.

Gold = Babylon
Silver = Medo-Persia
Brass = Greece
Iron = Rome
Clay = ?
Stone = God's Kingdom

Because each material represents something then the clay must as well, I believe that the clay represents the church and the Iron & Clay represents a church-state power which shall rise at the fall of pagan Rome

Jeremiah 18:6
(6) O house of Israel, cannot I do with you as this potter? saith the LORD. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are ye in mine hand, O house of Israel.

After pagan Rome fell in 476 AD there was a church-state power that arose who was Papal Rome, Also Islam is a church-state power, Papal Rome lost her power in 1798 but is seeking to gain her power again, but the Bible says they shall not cleave they may unite for a short time but, it will not last long

Revelation 17:13
(13) These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

 

[jb]

DISPENSATIONAL fantasy.

Maybe according to you!

Instead of mouthing off someone else's claptrap, why don't you explain what YOU believe from the Scriptures!

the Papacy is STILL in league with Edomite "kings"

the TEN toes are the Ten Caesars who reigned WITH the SEVEN Herods, DURING the Time of Christ.

Utter nonsense!

Rome was the 6th Head off the Beast, the 7th, which is also the 8th (i.e. Antichrist) is still future...Rev 17v10,11. Dan 9v27 with Matt 24v15 is talking about the same events that Paul is referring to in 2Thess 2v-12, which is very clear from the context are yet in the future, so Dan 9v27, which the Lord Jesus refers to in Matt 24v15 still have to be fully fulfilled.

 

[zone]

Maybe according to you!

Instead of mouthing off someone else's claptrap, why don't you explain what YOU believe from the Scriptures!.

i have many times.
and will again.

you clearly learned your theology/eschatology from certain teachers and scholars (dispensational): why not consider others (covenant)?

Utter nonsense!

Rome was the 6th Head off the Beast, the 7th, which is also the 8th (i.e. Antichrist) is still future...Rev 17v10,11. Dan 9v27 with Matt 24v15 is talking about the same events that Paul is referring to in 2Thess 2v-12, which is very clear from the context are yet in the future, so Dan 9v27, which the Lord Jesus refers to in Matt 24v15 still have to be fully fulfilled.

Utter nonsense!

 

[Laodicea]

Rome was the 6th Head off the Beast, the 7th, which is also the 8th (i.e. Antichrist) is still future...Rev 17v10,11. Dan 9v27 with Matt 24v15 is talking about the same events that Paul is referring to in 2Thess 2v-12, which is very clear from the context are yet in the future, so Dan 9v27, which the Lord Jesus refers to in Matt 24v15 still have to be fully fulfilled.

You have mentioned Daniel 9:27 as referring to the future and the antichrist have you considered other options? Have you read the whole chapter of Daniel 9 or only the last verses? In the first few verses of Daniel 9 Daniel is praying about his people and Jerusalem. The last verses 24 - 27 are an answer to his prayer.

Please take time to read attached file

 

[Lad]

ya right.
a literal 1,000 reign IS DSPENSATIONALISM!

Dispensationalism is a Judaic deception (unbelieving Talmudists), so your last remark isn't a surprise.
LOL!

not necessarily, i dont believe in dispensations, I believe in covenants. But I still believe in a literal 1000 year reign where Yeshua will rule over the world. However I dont believe in the seperation of the Jews and the Church I believe all believers in Yeshua are one family and one people. Therefore Yeshua will come back to reign over christians, messianic jews, physical jews and those who didnt die in armageddon for 1000 years and at the end of it satan will be released and gather an army from the remaining non-believers and finally be defeated.

Its called classic premillenialism and I believe personally that its the most biblical and straightforward way of looking at it.

Dispensational premil came about after amil and postmil overtook classic premil when they saw the millenium as a literal 1000 years (as it shouldve been taken) but unfortunately they added that greek thinking to it again and caused dispensations which actually grew out of replacement "theology".

 

[zone]

not necessarily, i dont believe in dispensations, I believe in covenants. But I still believe in a literal 1000 year reign where Yeshua will rule over the world. However I dont believe in the seperation of the Jews and the Church I believe all believers in Yeshua are one family and one people. Therefore Yeshua will come back to reign over christians, messianic jews, physical jews and those who didnt die in armageddon for 1000 years and at the end of it satan will be released and gather an army from the remaining non-believers and finally be defeated.

Its called classic premillenialism and I believe personally that its the most biblical and straightforward way of looking at it.

Dispensational premil came about after amil and postmil overtook classic premil when they saw the millenium as a literal 1000 years (as it shouldve been taken) but unfortunately they added that greek thinking to it again and caused dispensations which actually grew out of replacement "theology".

Lad.
i need one single thing addressed if possible - when does this stuff happen?
before the Second Advent or at the end of the millennium?

Revelation 13
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. (KJV)

Revelation 14
9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”

12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus. (ESV)

~

because EVERYONE who takes that mark goes into the lake of fire.

so: all of this either happens before the Second Advent and everybody gets thrown into the lake of fire at that time, at The Judgment - or you have EVERYBODY except Christians who DID NOT take the mark going through a literal 1,000 years WITH THE MARK, only to be thrown in the lake of fire at the end of it.

so?

WHEN DOES THE ABOVE HAPPEN?

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

Lots of hints at the right idea here:

It gets confusing, because the system is designed to confuse -- this is a CHAOS System!

There are many players, all intertwined. The hints at Rome are correct (in part).

Rome has recently (2000AD) released it's "Third Secret of Fatima" which is a corruption
inside the Catholic Laity AND Clergy, to the very highest levels. Fatima remember is not
only a place, but is the namesake of the illegitimate daughter of Mohammad (as ADA is
the illegitimate daughter of the "Lord" , Lord Byron -- Note also, ADA is the name of the
official software language of the US Department of Defense). The Papacy is using Islam
to fight a proxy war against what it sees as evil.

The first two secrets pertained to World Wars 1 and 2. These are really all indirect
references to the Protocols of Zion.

The Masonic Bible (Morals and Dogma, authored by Albert Pike) is sort of a CIA Handbook
of CHAOS. It outlines a plan to use Islam to create a war with Israel at which point the
Masonic Orders step in and play hero (ever seen that before?). Don't mix Skull and Bones
with Scottish Rite or other Masonic Orders.

Tony Blair and Sherry Booth Blair are Catholics and tied closely to the Pope. Sharia Law is
now accepted in the UK. The Pope recently visited the UK and was warmly welcomed by
the Queen who indicated her dislike of Christianity. Note how the Queen's religion, The
Anglican Church (Church of England) has been so corrupted.

OK, now some of the Conspiracy Theory is out of the way -- what of the Bible?

I agree, Europe has a role, remember, it was Napoleon (his army anyway, not he himself)
who marched into Rome, looted the Vatican, jailed the pope, and interrupted the Papacy,
thereby 'wounding the Beast'. Remember Hitler's role and his deal making with the
Papacy. Remember, that though Europe like the UK has fallen from Christianity, it still
has a remnant church, and a lot of apostasy otherwise. Realize the Pope pimped Sarkozy
a wife.

Back to Conspiracy theory -- I did not mention "The Money Changers" of today, that were
the Sanhedrin of old -- The IMF, CFR, The Federal Reserve, the Bank of England
(Rothschild's et. al.), The World Bank, The Swiss (Geneva is still in Switzerland I think)
Money Launderers, and back to the Vatican as money launderers. The 2012 Olympics in
London have generated much controversy over it's logo alone which seems to allude to
'ZION' as reported and depicted in many recent popular press articles. Note the 2020
Olympics is scheduled for ... you guessed it -- Rome. But I digress and blather ...

So, no, it's not all over with Daniel or Jesus. Jesus indeed fulfilled his part of Prophecy.
I hate the 'gap' terminology, and prefer to call it a continuation. Jesus affirmed Daniel in
his mention of the 'Abomination that causes desolation" and referred to it not only as a
past reference, but as a future happening. John picks up the future references in the
book of Revelation. John then notes the city on seven hills, the woman clothed in scarlet,
his hatred of the [practices of] the Nicolaitans, the Beast, the False Prophet, 666 and etc.

The current pope, Benedict the 16th (Rat zinger) is from Germany (Bavaria). The previous
pope (John Paul 2nd -- aka Wodjdyla??) from Poland. The US President (Obama)
has recently returned from Poland indicating they are a sort of beacon of democracy, a
real stretch, but a flattery to assure the US has rights to plant a missile defense system
there.

This is getting long winded and it is late, and I fear it may sound too convoluted,
conspiratorial, and paranoid, and of course, it all is. Step back, get some perspective. look
at current events and those of the recent past (past 100 years - 2 world wars, etc.) the
state of the nation's budget, the world economy, globalism, US imports, NATO and etc.

I am sure when I read this tomorrow I will have as many questions as you do. I hope
though that some of this made or makes sense or will after consideration and time.

The idea is, there are indeed many players, but all intertwined in a logical (sort of) fashion
and the organizations themselves date back to Old Testament Times, Hiram Abiff, Usury,
Lucifer, Workers in Metal (Smiths), Workers in Stone (Masons), False prophets, up to the
Sanhedrin at Jesus's time, all reflected in our current news headlines.

Critique, comment, question away, this seemed as nutsy to me as it might to you, but I will explain all.

.io March

 

[Abiding]

Ill wait for you to fit in Islam with the freemasonry connection, Rockefeller, prince Charles, and the new Pharisees.
Im a newbie..still studying.

 

[zone]

Lots of hints at the right idea here:

It gets confusing, because the system is designed to confuse -- this is a CHAOS System!


Critique, comment, question away, this seemed as nutsy to me as it might to you, but I will explain all.

sounds pretty good.

but ROME IS NOT THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS.

JERUSALEM IS.

 

[zone]

Ill wait for you to fit in Islam with the freemasonry connection, Rockefeller, prince Charles, and the new Pharisees.
Im a newbie..still studying.

we only need to look to one source for ALL of this: THE TALMUD

 

[Laodicea]

sounds pretty good.

but ROME IS NOT THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS.

JERUSALEM IS.

I believe that Rome is the mother of harlots

(Revelation 17:5)
and upon her forehead a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF THE HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
(Revelation 17:18)
And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
(1 Peter 5:13)
The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.

The city who was reigning over the kings of the earth at the time he wrote this was Rome and since Papal Rome received their power from Pagan Rome then that makes them the mother of harlots.

Since this tells us that Rome is the mother of harlots then who are the children? It cannot be Jerusalem cause they were not reigning over the kings of the earth

 

[Digital_Angel_316]

Lots of Jerusalem folks in Rome and in Roman Catholicism, I remember one guy even wrote a book titled "ROMANS".

Not saying this is syncretism, but a mixing of systems to be sure. Check out 'Father Corapi' on EWTN sometime, but then you
have to be prepared to watch at least three times, to get a broader sense. Not sure it is wise for all, and certainly, if
one wants to watch any such TV, put on your armor and take along your sword.