Who is the Nephilim?

[reneweddaybyday]

The word Masoretic is derived from the word masorah, which means tradition. The original Hebrew text was changed in numerous places to accommodate this tradition. The LXX isn't perfect, but it is a snapshot of the original Hebrew text in many places.

My understanding is that scribes were very careful in copying text from one scroll to another and that this was done from generation to generation throughout history. I am so thankful we have what we have today so we can read and comprehend what God wanted us to understand. God is the true Author of all Scripture and He called on faithful men to write what He told them to write.

I love Jeremiah 36 because it gives us and example of how Scripture was written --- God spoke to Jeremiah ... Jeremiah spoke to Baruch ... Baruch wrote it down.

 

[Depleted]

I would agree .Angels have no form, no DNA made up of dust and water and therefore no way to multiply. That portion of scriptures is teaching the believing born again Jew,walking by the faith of Christ that was in them informing them not to be unevenly yoked. In that way God protected the spiritual seed of Christ the word of God from being mixed with other nations. They were giants like Goliath that apposed the Jews.

The context you offered below is in respect to men seen, not angels not seen . He had already dealt with the wickedness of angels.

Gen. 6
5Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7The LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, “from man to animals” to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry that I have made them."

Not from man to angels, not seen.

How do you know angels are formless, don't have DNA, aren't made of dust and water, and don't multiply?

(And not said in anger. I honestly don't get where people know so much about angels.)

 

[Depleted]

The Nephelim were the result of intermarriage between Angelic beings and women. According to the Apocryphal book of Jubilees they also tampered with Animals. This is possibly one of the main reasons for the flood that wiped out all living things as well as people. It may also explain where Dinosaurs and other extinct beasts fit into the picture. Many of them were gigantic as well. I also believe at least one of the women on board the Ark carried Nephelim Genes which would explain why Giants were still being produced after the flood.

And you just answered the question I just asked Garee. So you believe the Book of Jubilees is trustworthy?

I do find your theory on Nephilim interesting. Can't say I believe it too, but I like seeing how people like to fill in that gap, and yours is a thought out position vs. something they taught you in Sunday school when you were a kid.

 

[Depleted]

That would also shed some more light to such strict orders to Israel to kill some palestinian tribes to the last one.

Actually, God told Abraham why he was going to kill all the inhabitants of the promised lands when he told him why Abraham couldn't have the land yet. He was waiting for their sins to be full first. They were all ripe with sin by the time the Israelites entered the land. Nothing left to do but wipe them all out so that ripeness didn't ferment even worse. Alas, they didn't, and we're watching what happened because of that in the Middle East ever since.

 

[Depleted]

Interesting possibility, but why would God go to all the trouble of wiping all the imperfection out but allowing it to continue with the introduction of impure blood line?

The other two theories I hold on to are: as they were spiritual beings they had ability to escape into another dimension and these fallen angels simply came back and picked up where they left off.

But where is your evidence that they were "spiritual beings" or "fallen angels?"

 

[Depleted]

why is it false? and what difference if doctrine is false. doctrine is man made law and has proven time and time again to be inaccurate. doctrine used to claim the world was flat.

I like your first question. (I would have asked it myself if I thought he'd listen.)

But the rest? It has to be asked. Is that your personal doctrine?

 

[JosephsDreams]

If Noah, his wife and their Sons were the only righteous people left on earth, then the Sons would have had to Marry women who were born from the rest of humanity, and may have inherited genes from Nephilim infected ancestors.
I would imagine that God would have prevented fallen Angels to pick up where they left off, especially when God promised Noah not to bring another flood on the earth. Anyway its a possible explanation.

Maybe one of Noah's daughter in laws had the "giant" gene?
Some believe Nimrod was a giant.
In any case, whatever, however it happened, the Israelite's came across giants, so it did happen...again.
Some bible scholars believe Goliath and his three (or was it four- I think it was three) brothers were the last of the biblical giants.
BTW, just my view, but I consider a giant someone who is about 10 feet tall or more.

 

[oldhermit]

But how does that explain that both Seth and Cain's descendants survived the flood? There were Nephilim after the flood.

And more important question -- they couldn't come up with an easier word to spell than Nephilim? (It's like Melchizedek all over again. The only way I can spell it right is letting spell checker handle my misspelling for me. lol)

Hoah, his wife, his sons a their wives would have carried the same genetic structure within them that produced the Nephilim in the first place. There is nothing supernatural or "other worldly" about the gene pool. This is a human gene passed on for hundreds of years until the time of Noah. Your question also assumes that Noah and his sons were not of the Nephilim.

 

[Depleted]

Hoah, his wife, his sons a their wives would have carried the same genetic structure within them that produced the Nephilim in the first place. There is nothing supernatural or "other worldly" about the gene pool. This is a human gene passed on for hundreds of years until the time of Noah. Your question also assumes that Noah and his sons were not of the Nephilim.

I suspect I'm missing something here, but, yeah. I assume something about those who went into the ark. Noah had to come from Seth, right? (Genealogy through the ages right up to Christ, and since Seth was the only child mentioned of Adam in the lineage, we can assume Noah came from that lineage.)

Now in the era of Abraham and then the era of Joseph - Moses, family stuck with family. (Everyone married a relative.) I'm thinking that wasn't new, so Noah married within his extended family as did his kids. You just don't blast off from that kind of heritage and marry some huge dudette. (And, my theory is different than most in I'm thinking the Neanderthals were the giants, so it would be noticeable to pick up a different species of Man for a spouse.)

So, that's my assuming. Where did I assume wrong?

 

[oldhermit]

I suspect I'm missing something here, but, yeah. I assume something about those who went into the ark. Noah had to come from Seth, right? (Genealogy through the ages right up to Christ, and since Seth was the only child mentioned of Adam in the lineage, we can assume Noah came from that lineage.)

Now in the era of Abraham and then the era of Joseph - Moses, family stuck with family. (Everyone married a relative.) I'm thinking that wasn't new, so Noah married within his extended family as did his kids. You just don't blast off from that kind of heritage and marry some huge dudette. (And, my theory is different than most in I'm thinking the Neanderthals were the giants, so it would be noticeable to pick up a different species of Man for a spouse.)

So, that's my assuming. Where did I assume wrong?

We do not know that. We can only assume that. He have no way of knowing if Noah's mother or grandmother may not have been of the Nephilim. Why would you assume that just because Abraham and his family married within their families this would suggest that every other culture of his time honored that same tradition or that this was true of the days of Noah. We do know that this tradition existed among the other Hebrew family of Nahar and Labon. The fact that the descendants of Seth married the descendants of Cain many generations later is evidence enough that such a tradition may not have yet been in practice.

 

[Bowman]

Hello brethren,
I am so often very confused when it comes to this subject....I had believed the Sons of God were the angels that had fallen and thus were involved with the women of men. Some i have heard say this is ridiculous and that it was the lineage of Seth and the women were of the lineage of Cain and that intermingling brought about the flood of Noah. However why then the distinction of the offspring, such as being called Nephilim, GEN:6-4 also why were they giants again Gen:6-4, and Num:13-33 here they are discribing them as such giants that the Israelites feel like grasshoppers...??? So again i am left to believe that the "sons of God" were indeed angels for if it was the lineage intermingling we have had that all along before and after Noah, and really at this point i do not see how that would produce such giants....so if anyone can show me in scripture that my interpetation is wrong i would appreciate it. Thank you brethren for your time and consideration.

According to the lexicons, the term merely applied to the rulers of the day....not that of a physically giant race of people or angels...

 

[Chuckt]

According to the lexicons, the term merely applied to the rulers of the day....not that of a physically giant race of people or angels...

Interesting.

 

[RobbyEarl]

it's a boo

 

[Depleted]

We do not know that. We can only assume that. He have no way of knowing if Noah's mother or grandmother may not have been of the Nephilim. Why would you assume that just because Abraham and his family married within their families this would suggest that every other culture of his time honored that same tradition or that this was true of the days of Noah. We do know that this tradition existed among the other Hebrew family of Nahar and Labon. The fact that the descendants of Seth married the descendants of Cain many generations later is evidence enough that such a tradition may not have yet been in practice.

Abraham was Noah's descendant. Something like 17 generations later, but Abraham married his sister. And he didn't let just any schmoe marry Issac, but he didn't go through that much dedication for Ishmael. There is lineage happening throughout all this. Lineage means something, even today.

My oldest brother gets the mantle for my family's lineage simply because he was both the firstborn and a boy. The family name/honor/heritage went to him whether he wanted it or not. He didn't. Tough. It's still on his shoulders. He got stuck with the responsibilities connected to that, and a few of the heirlooms. Mostly, he got stuck with many of the Irish Catholic stuff that must be passed to his children.

Funny thing. His first marriage wasn't Irish nor Catholic, but it didn't work out. His second marriage and he's back to being Catholic again and raising his boys (in that marriage) into the family tradition.

Some stuff you can't shake when you get the lineage. Some is dropped. But who you marry becomes very important. Big scandal if you don't "marry right." (Guess who caused the second scandal in the family. lol But, I don't have the lineage. I don't even have the name anymore, so it wasn't quite as big a deal.)

My family has been American for at least two centuries, and yet we're still carrying the mantle. In Abraham and Noah's generation it's only a generation every 100 years, so why not?

I'm assuming you knew most of your cousins. Did any of them interest you in a marriage kind of way? Back when I was young, girls would come up to me and ask me how I can live with so gorgeous a brother or cousin. To me it was obvious, "because I've known them since we were born. I know who they are."

And yet Abraham was married to a sister (who was probably a cousin), and thought it was mighty important that his lineage son do the same thing. I don't think, "Ew, they're cousins," because I know they can marry as cousins even today. I think, "Ew, they're cousins," because growing up with people puts them in such a distinct light. It's never a flattering light.

Our customs today aren't entirely related to our family customs of 17 generations ago, but sometimes the distant relatives would recognize family from the customs if they met them today.

As for what we do know bout Nephilims? A lot less than we know about cavemen. So most of what we're talking about will always be unknowable in this life.

 

[RobbyEarl]

So what, what difference doe's it make?

 

[Depleted]

According to the lexicons, the term merely applied to the rulers of the day....not that of a physically giant race of people or angels...

Which lexicons are you reading? Because the concordances call them giants or fellers. Unless a ruler is a feller, it's not the same thing.

 

[Depleted]

So what, what difference doe's it make?

Probably very little, but just enough difference that it came up in God's word twice.

 

[oldhermit]

Abraham was Noah's descendant. Something like 17 generations later, but Abraham married his sister. And he didn't let just any schmoe marry Issac, but he didn't go through that much dedication for Ishmael. There is lineage happening throughout all this. Lineage means something, even today.

My oldest brother gets the mantle for my family's lineage simply because he was both the firstborn and a boy. The family name/honor/heritage went to him whether he wanted it or not. He didn't. Tough. It's still on his shoulders. He got stuck with the responsibilities connected to that, and a few of the heirlooms. Mostly, he got stuck with many of the Irish Catholic stuff that must be passed to his children.

Funny thing. His first marriage wasn't Irish nor Catholic, but it didn't work out. His second marriage and he's back to being Catholic again and raising his boys (in that marriage) into the family tradition.

Some stuff you can't shake when you get the lineage. Some is dropped. But who you marry becomes very important. Big scandal if you don't "marry right." (Guess who caused the second scandal in the family. lol But, I don't have the lineage. I don't even have the name anymore, so it wasn't quite as big a deal.)

My family has been American for at least two centuries, and yet we're still carrying the mantle. In Abraham and Noah's generation it's only a generation every 100 years, so why not?

I'm assuming you knew most of your cousins. Did any of them interest you in a marriage kind of way? Back when I was young, girls would come up to me and ask me how I can live with so gorgeous a brother or cousin. To me it was obvious, "because I've known them since we were born. I know who they are."

And yet Abraham was married to a sister (who was probably a cousin), and thought it was mighty important that his lineage son do the same thing. I don't think, "Ew, they're cousins," because I know they can marry as cousins even today. I think, "Ew, they're cousins," because growing up with people puts them in such a distinct light. It's never a flattering light.

Our customs today aren't entirely related to our family customs of 17 generations ago, but sometimes the distant relatives would recognize family from the customs if they met them today.

As for what we do know bout Nephilims? A lot less than we know about cavemen. So most of what we're talking about will always be unknowable in this life.

Gen 20:12 tell us that Sarah was Abraham's half sister not a cousin. "And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife."

 

[PurerInHeart]

Angels are not children of God, humans are the children of God. If you look in the genealogy it says "...and Seth the son of Adam, and Adam the son of God." Now there are righteous humans (God's people) and unrighteous humans (people that God has disowned because of their wicked hearts). Both these groups of people sin, but only the righteous are forgiven.

So it makes sense that the sons of God did come from Seth- because his genealogy leads to Christ. So when God's people, the righteous, started inter-marring with the unrighteous, that created a BIG problem- for God says "What fellowship can light have with darkness? How can the righteous be one with the unrighteous."

Sooo, since things were done physically in the Old Testament, God had to show this was a big problem in a physical way- therefore, the offspring got so big that normal sized people were literally the size of grasshoppers in comparison (glad I don't have to change their baby's diapers!) lol.

 

[Ziggy318]

Have any of you brothers heard of CERN , and took a look at what they are doing?