Who sinned first Human or Lucifer?
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Stay in Romans 8
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
1Pe_1:23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed but incorruptible, through the word of God which lives and abides forever,
1Jn_3:9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
1Jn_5:4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
1Jn_5:18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.
Doesn't say whoever is adopted of God does not sin.
Our destiny is to be born into the family of God.
1Jn_3:9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
1Jn_5:4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
1Jn_5:18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.
Doesn't say whoever is adopted of God does not sin.
Our destiny is to be born into the family of God.
from the most Authentic Torah existing:
Genesis 1:1
1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth. אבְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ:
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notice ... heaven{ssssssssssssssssss} and earth, as in MULTIPLE heavens to indicate the Universe and the [heaven portions of Earth (the sky/atmoshpere)]
Genesis 1:1
1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth. אבְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ:
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notice ... heaven{ssssssssssssssssss} and earth, as in MULTIPLE heavens to indicate the Universe and the [heaven portions of Earth (the sky/atmoshpere)]
Genesis 1:1 is not referring to heaven in the sense of the dwelling place of God or the resting place of immortal souls. The Hebrew word here is shamayim and it is more clearly defined as “firmament” which means ‘the vault or arch of the sky’. It refers to what we can see in the sky i.e. the dwelling place of the sun, the stars, the moon, the blue sky, etc.
Yes there are three heavens, the heaven the birds fly in...
Gen_1:20 Then God said, "Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens."
The universe...
Gen_15:5 Then He brought him outside and said, "Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them." And He said to him, "So shall your descendants be."
The Heaven where God's Throne is...
Rev_15:5 After these things I looked, and behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened.
now your point is?
Gen_1:20 Then God said, "Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens."
The universe...
Gen_15:5 Then He brought him outside and said, "Look now toward heaven, and count the stars if you are able to number them." And He said to him, "So shall your descendants be."
The Heaven where God's Throne is...
Rev_15:5 After these things I looked, and behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened.
now your point is?
knowing the Bible, in Genesis 1:1, is speaking about the Creations of the Universe, our own Atmosphere, and Earth, it's not talking about the creation of Satan and the Heavenly Host of Angels. God's Eternal Home and Angels already existed. Why i used the Hebrew to show this distinction.
some, in this thread were saying, God's Home/Angels is created at Genesis 1:1
but the Hebrew shows us differently.
that's the point that was made.
some, in this thread were saying, God's Home/Angels is created at Genesis 1:1
but the Hebrew shows us differently.
that's the point that was made.
Hi Pamela,
As far as who sinned by rebelling against God first, that was the serpent, who was Satan.
However, what brought the curse upon humanity were the sins of Adam and Eve. That's where sin originated in mankind..
It is refered to as original sin. Here's a good passage to think over from Romans 5.
"12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many."
Since our grandfather Adam sinned, we are born with a sin nature that desires to sin.
It is passed down somehow through the fathers.
We all sin by choice.
However we cannot atone for our sins.
Therefore we are condemned to death.
Romans 6:23, Revelation 20:14, 21:8
Jesus made the complete atonement for all sins..
...He was the Lamb without spot or blemish...no sin. He was punished and died so that we don't have to suffer and die in hell.....IF we receive that free gift by grace of everlasting life..
Great News!..( Link)
As far as who sinned by rebelling against God first, that was the serpent, who was Satan.
However, what brought the curse upon humanity were the sins of Adam and Eve. That's where sin originated in mankind..
It is refered to as original sin. Here's a good passage to think over from Romans 5.
"12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many."
Since our grandfather Adam sinned, we are born with a sin nature that desires to sin.
It is passed down somehow through the fathers.
We all sin by choice.
However we cannot atone for our sins.
Therefore we are condemned to death.
Romans 6:23, Revelation 20:14, 21:8
Jesus made the complete atonement for all sins..
...He was the Lamb without spot or blemish...no sin. He was punished and died so that we don't have to suffer and die in hell.....IF we receive that free gift by grace of everlasting life..
Great News!..( Link)
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How specific does the grand @Inquisitor require that it be???
