This statement is so laughable, it deserves its own meme. Obviously you have no clue about this book which was written to HEBREW CHRISTIANS.
Who wrote the book of Hebrews?
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That’s your opinion and it isn’t found in the New Testament. You can’t just make things up as you go along.
Please cite scripture. Thank you, blessings.
I don't appreciate you mocking a book of the Bible and saying it was not written to Christians.
Saying I’m laughable and meme-worthy when discussing the Bible sounds like something an atheist would say. Seriously, if you don’t have anything valuable to add then take it elsewhere. Thank you!
P.s. - you totally misunderstood the context. Some of Hebrews is written to practicing Jews, i.e., non-Christians.
This is completely false and misleading. And here is what Paul says to refute this nonsense:
HEBREWS 6:9,10: ADDRESSED TO CHRISTIANS WHO ARE SAVED
But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak. For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
To even hint that these Hebrew Christians were "non-Christians" indicates a total ignorance and cluelessness about this epistle.
Are you even following this thread? Your mocking and ad hominems are making this thread toxic. It was pleasant until you showed up.
Hebrews 6:4-9
4It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6and who have fallen caway, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. 7Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. 8But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned.
9Even though we speak like this, dear friends, we are convinced of better things in your case—the things that have to do with salvation.
Verse 9 is to Christians, verses 4-8 are to practicing Jews (non-Christians.)
Hence why the unknown author of Hebrews said they are “convinced of better things in your case - things that have to do with salvation” because Christians have salvation and others don’t.
Are you clear on what this thread is about now?
Paul is reminding the Hebrews and refreshing their memories by comparing by comparing the old to the new. You have it right but it's not that the text is to the unbeliever but simply to the converted Hebrews because of the danger of their potential to fall away and the problems with the old covenant versus the new covenant. Go back and start reading from chapter 8. And look too in 10:19 et al, he's calling them brethren and notice the text that follows. Believe what you like, but 100% for certain, this was written to Hebrew Christians and not at all to unconverted Hebrews. Goodbye
I think you missed my point.
Here's another example of where Hebrews is not written to Christians:
Hebrews 10:26-30
26If we deliberately go on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins remains, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume all adversaries. 28Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29How much more severely do you think one deserves to be punished who has trampled on the Son of God, profaned the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
30For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge His people.”
As you can see, if a Christian sins deliberately after knowing the truth, the sacrifice of Jesus still covers them. This only applies to those who sin under the old covenant and used animal sacrifices to cover their sins. If they deliberately sinned after the animal sacrifice, then the animal sacrifice was no longer able to be a valid sacrifice for their sins. They would need to do another sacrifice and would likely have to wait until next year. This is a persuasive speech, a sermon, trying to tell those under the old covenant to come to Christ asap.
Hebrews is written to a mixed audience. The above passage is written to practicing Jews.
If the above passage is to true believing Christians... God help us all.
Believe what you like, but 100% for certain, this was written to Hebrew Christians and not at all to unconverted Hebrews. Goodbye
I'm sorry to hear that you've opted to believe that if a Christian knowingly sins one time after having come to the knowledge of the truth then they no longer have a sacrifice for sins and are destined to a raging fire that will consume God's adversaries. That's a destructive heresy as far as I'm concerned.
The only way Hebrews 10:26-30 makes sense is if it's to non-Christian Jews relying on temple sacrifices to forgive their sins. The context proves it. Try studying Hebrews again from start to finish with this new perspective in mind and you'll be awestruck at what you see.
As for me and other Christians, we'll stick with this:
Hebrews 10:14-17
14For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.
15The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:
16“This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”
17Then he adds:
“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”
That's not what I said nor what the scripture means. The "no more sacrifice for sins" is not talking about Jesus sacrifice, but rather the sacrifices under the old covenant. Read it again and slower and more carefully. Like Peter said of Paul's writings
2 Peter 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Hebrews isn't an epistle. It opens up immediately talking about the supremacy of Christ. Hebrews is a big sermon. So according to 2 Peter 3:16, Hebrews doesn't fit the criteria of what Peter is talking about and therefore most likely isn't written by Paul.
Compare with Paul’s epistles, how he opened and closed all of them. Hebrews isn’t like that.
Peter was largely not formally educated. The writer of Hebrews was very much formally educated and accustomed to extremely compact and nuanced writing.
(This wasn't his first writing experience...unlike Peter's letters which were not so compact and nuanced with other authors)
Leaving the conclusion that this person was either a Grammiton (expert in the law) or some sort of Rabbi in training to achieve a higher order of Rabbi. (Several levels of Rabbi)
The writer of Hebrews reveals that Timothy was released from Prison AND that he is coming to visit the Hebrews soon.
Which reveals to us that Timothy was also in Jail...like Paul was. (Paul spent more time in Jail than Timothy) and Timothy joined Paul....so the internal evidence suggests that this was later.
I'm still not convinced because in 2 Thessalonians 3:17 Paul said this:
17This greeting is in my own hand—Paul. This is my mark in every letter; it is the way I write.
Furthermore, in 13 of the other books in the New Testament, Romans through Philemon, the first word is Paul. The first word in Hebrews is God.
So there's definitely some inconsistency there. I am not discounting what you said, but Paul broke pattern if he was the author. That's why I highly doubt it, personally.
II Peter 3:15-16. Peter, being the Apostle of the circumcision, mentions how Paul has written to them, the Hebrews.
as I said before, believe what you like. Goodbye
Yes, believe whatever you like as well. Good bye
You should probably look at who 2 Peter was written to, you can trace it back to 1 Peter.
1 Peter 1:1
1Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
To the elect who are exiles of the Dispersion throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, chosen
Now to 2 Peter...
2 Peter 1:1
1Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:
2 Peter 3:1
1Beloved, this is now my second letter to you. Both of them are reminders to stir you to wholesome thinking
1 Peter and 2 Peter were written to Gentiles... hence being addressed to Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia.
Now the verse you referenced....
2 Peter 3:15
15Consider also that our Lord’s patience brings salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom God gave him.
That means that since 1 and 2 Peter are to a Gentile audience, and Paul wrote to them too, and Hebrews is not a Gentile audience, then 2 Peter 3:15 means Paul didn't write Hebrews. There's very little wiggle room left for Paul being the author of Hebrews.
Furthermore,
2 Peter 3:16 says that Paul wrote letters. All of Paul's letter's begin the same and end the same, but Hebrews doesn't because it isn't a letter (it's a sermon) nor was it penned by Paul, clearly.
None I'm aware of, but that doesn't prove that Paul wrote it and is a bit irrelevant.
Paul clearly wasn't the best possible person to write Hebrews since He wasn't ordained as a minister to the Hebrews, but to the Gentiles. Peter was a minister to the Hebrews so he would have been better qualified.
Galatians 2:8
8For God, who was at work in Peter as an apostle to the circumcised, was also at work in me as an apostle to the Gentiles.[/QUOTE]
Peter didn't know and didn't articulate the way Paul did about the Law and why the ways of Judaism were over.
Peter was going back to the old ways when Paul had to correct him.
Every single letter of Pauls describes the EXACT concepts that are described in Hebrews.
No one knew the differences between the OT and NT and was able to articulate them with AUTHORITY like Paul. Not even Peter.
Church History goes with Paul or Clement or Luke.
I usually go with Church History, but this time I admit I prefer the novel theory of a few Christian writers who say that Jesus Christ Himself wrote it, or at least that it contains some explicit sermons of His, which Paul later compiled. The Greek of Hebrews makes very clear that it is not Paul as we know him. Which Rabbi in the whole of Jerusalem was a Greater and More Learned Rabbi than Rabbi Saul? I know of only One Such Person, namely, Rabbi Yeshua, Jesus Christ Our Lord. That's why I'm very favorable to the idea that this Epistle is unique, in that it is directly written by Christ, whereas the other parts of God's Word are authored by Christ through one or more of His Apostles.
"Scholars of Greek consider its writing to be more polished and eloquent than any other book of the New Testament, and "the very carefully composed and studied Greek of Hebrews is not Paul's spontaneous, volatile contextual Greek".[12] The book has earned the reputation of being a masterpiece.[13] It has also been described as an intricate New Testament book.[14] Some scholars believe it was written for Jewish Christians who lived in Jerusalem.[13] Its essential purpose was to exhort Christians to persevere in the face of persecution. At this time, certain believers were considering turning back to Judaism (the Jewish system of law) to escape being persecuted for accepting Christ as their saviour and following this system of grace (saved by Jesus' sacrifice on the cross). The theme of the epistle is the doctrine of the person of Christ and his role as mediator between God and humanity." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistle_to_the_Hebrews
"this book has the largest number of unique words not used anywhere else in the New Testament: 154.[4] This suggests its authorship was unique also, neither relying on nor writing anything else."
https://www.conservapedia.com/Myste..._to_the_Hebrews?#Evidence_that_Jesus_wrote_it
I usually go with Church History, but this time I admit I prefer the novel theory of a few Christian writers who say that Jesus Christ Himself wrote it, or at least that it contains some explicit sermons of His, which Paul later compiled. The Greek of Hebrews makes very clear that it is not Paul as we know him. Which Rabbi in the whole of Jerusalem was a Greater and More Learned Rabbi than Rabbi Saul? I know of only One Such Person, namely, Rabbi Yeshua, Jesus Christ Our Lord. That's why I'm very favorable to the idea that this Epistle is unique, in that it is directly written by Christ, whereas the other parts of God's Word are authored by Christ through one or more of His Apostles.
"Scholars of Greek consider its writing to be more polished and eloquent than any other book of the New Testament, and "the very carefully composed and studied Greek of Hebrews is not Paul's spontaneous, volatile contextual Greek".[12] The book has earned the reputation of being a masterpiece.[13] It has also been described as an intricate New Testament book.[14] Some scholars believe it was written for Jewish Christians who lived in Jerusalem.[13] Its essential purpose was to exhort Christians to persevere in the face of persecution. At this time, certain believers were considering turning back to Judaism (the Jewish system of law) to escape being persecuted for accepting Christ as their saviour and following this system of grace (saved by Jesus' sacrifice on the cross). The theme of the epistle is the doctrine of the person of Christ and his role as mediator between God and humanity." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistle_to_the_Hebrews
"this book has the largest number of unique words not used anywhere else in the New Testament: 154.[4] This suggests its authorship was unique also, neither relying on nor writing anything else."
https://www.conservapedia.com/Myste..._to_the_Hebrews?#Evidence_that_Jesus_wrote_it
