No, only what you are. Nothing to do with truth but if a trinity helps you stay on the "straight and narrow" then I'm all for it.
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Saved by The Trinity
Example #1:
Because if you confess the Lord Jesus with your mouth, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.(Romans 10.9)
Who raised Jesus from the dead?
· God the Father… Acts 3.26; Eph 1.15-20; Gal 1.1; 1 Thes 1.9-10
· God the Son…John 2.19-22; 10.17-18; Romans 6.4
· God the Spirit…Romans 8.11; 1 Peter 3.18
· The Trinity…Romans 10.9; Peter 1.20-21; Hebrews 13.20-21; 1 Cor 6.14; Col 2.11-12; Acts 2.23-24; 2.32; 3.14-15; 13.30-37
Thus…you will be saved if you believe in The Triune God, as revealed in scripture.
Simple, Biblical truth.
Romans 14:23 (YLT)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] and he who is making a difference, if he may eat, hath been condemned, because it is not of faith; and all that is not of faith is sin.
So you don't believe Jesus is God the Son, equal with God the Father?
Revelatory Rule #1: Divine revelation of the Infinite is not subject to finite human reasoning.
And in those denominations none have crucified the flesh, think as a dead man, are totally at the mercy of God and see all men the same?
That's not new, that's lot of self-righteousness.
So again, what would be new?
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watty
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Elin, I know what I was taught by man that Jesus is equal to God. As a man filled with the Holy Spirit I know that God is all powerful and anything that is not God is not equal to God. Jesus is not God, Jesus is the son of God. This is simple to figure out. Jesus taught us to pray in his name and he would take it to his father and if it is his will it will be done. 1 John 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us. His in this scripture is referring to God. Jesus cannot be equal to God, nor can the Holy Spirit be. In reality Jesus and the Holy Spirit are the messengers for God. The Bible is kind of confusing because it states that Jesus says ask anything and he will do it in some scriptures. This would lead you to believe Jesus does not need God's permission. Even Jesus ask God, "My God, my God, why has thou forsaken me" Is the Son equal to his father? No, and we are instructed to be obedient to our fathers as Jesus was obedient to his. Can you make God sin by your prayer requests? No, then we know there is more to the scripture that says ask anything in my name and I will do it. You need to know when you pray for something that is sinful and that prayer is answered, who answered the prayer. Not God, but Satan is the one who answered your prayer.
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The Father to the Son: Thou throne God.....
The nature of the Son: He is the exact duplicate of God's essence.
His power as the Word: has made all things and upholds all things through HIS OWN POWER.
Who became Jesus the Man?
The nature of the Son: He is the exact duplicate of God's essence.
His power as the Word: has made all things and upholds all things through HIS OWN POWER.
Who became Jesus the Man?
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To Bowman, I like your triangle to describe the Being of Our triune God. It is the best symbol /explanation of the Trinity I have ever seen. I have, for decades, used an equilateral triangle to show the three persons of the Godhead. I thought I was the only one who did; But, yours is so much better with all the details you put on it with the circles for the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and God in the center. May I use it without any credit to you, since you are annonimious? (I have a side issue with my spell check. It is dum, dee dum, dum, LOL. Is not, triune a word? and it can not spell, annonimous, nor can I,.LOL) Would someone ,please help me. LOL I am feeling old and dum tonight! or just to lazy to open up the dictionary.Ha HA. LOL LOve to all, Hoffco
You are discounting plain statements with a humanly devised rule...
Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
How is thinking as a dead man and seeing all the same being self righteous? I see all men saved, leaning not on my own understanding but God's.
Do you see all men saved as well? Probably not leaning on your own understanding.
The NT disagress with you, starting with the testimony of the Jews, who were much closer to the situation than you are.
The eye witnesses who were there testify against you.
" 'You are not yet 50 years old,' the Jews said to him, 'and you have seen Abraham!'
'I, the faithful and true witness, tell you,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I am!'
At this they picked up stones to stone him." (Jn 8:57-59).
" 'I and the Father are one.'
Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him. But Jesus said to them,
'I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these
do you stone me?'
'We are not stoning you for any of these' replied the Jews, 'but for blasphemy,
because you a mere man claim to be God.' " (Jn 10:30-33)
When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, 'Son your sins are forgiven.' "
Now some teachers of the law were sitting there thinking to themselves. . .'He's blaspheming!
Who can forgive sins but God alone?'
. . .and he said to them. . .'Which is easier: to say to the paralytic, "Your sins are forgiven,"
or to say, "Get up, take your mat and walk"?
But that you may know the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sin. . .' "(Mk 2:5-10)
"For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him: not only was he breaking the Sabbath,
but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God." (Jn 5:18)
"The Jews insisted, 'We have a law, and according to that law he must die, because
he claimed to be the Son of God.' "
The Jews were eye witnesses, you weren't.
The Jews knew the context and understood exactly what Jesus was saying.
You were neither.
And so they had him killed because "he made himself equal with God"
and "claimed to be God."
The "boots on the ground" testify against you.
And the NT likewise disagrees with you in the testimony of Jesus to the triune God.
God the Father is a person (he).
God the Son is a person (he).
God the Holy Spirit is a person (he, him)--Jn 14:17 (5 times), 16:13-14 (7 times).
Three persons in one being of God, who are bracketed together in the one name of the triune God:
"Go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name (singular)
of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit." (Jn 28:19)
Your problem is not lack of Biblical testimony. . .your problem is lack of belief.
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Nope. . .not a humanly devised rule.
You are simply running up against the principle of Is 55:8-9 when you think
that the word of God does not make sense.
The actual word Trinity was coined to describe the FACT that Three personages, are described in Scripture as BEING GOD, YET we know ABSOLUTELY FOR SURE that there is ONLY ONE GOD that has ever existed. NOTICE: I really am giving you more chances to understand the TRUTH than you deserve, but do not count on me continuing this debate, because you continually blaspheme the Deity of My LORD, Jesus Christ.
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Isaiah 43:10-11 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] “You are My witnesses”— ⌊this is⌋ the LORD’s declaration— “and My servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe Me and understand that I am He. No god was formed before Me, and there will be none after Me.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me.
Luke 2:11 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Today a Savior, who is Messiah the Lord, was born for you in the city of David.
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Genesis 1:1 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
Colossians 1:16-19 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For everything was created by Him, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities— all things have been created through Him and for Him.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] He is before all things, and by Him all things hold together.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] He is also the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He might come to have first place in everything.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For God was pleased ⌊to have⌋ all His fullness dwell in Him,
Matthew 1:20 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But after he had considered these things, an angel of the Lord suddenly appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, don’t be afraid to take Mary as your wife, because what has been conceived {formed or created} in her is by the Holy Spirit.
Psalm 139:13 (HCSB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] For it was You who created my inward parts; You knit me together in my mother’s womb.
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John 6:45-46 (HCSB)
[SUP]45 [/SUP] It is written in the Prophets: And they will all be taught by God. Everyone who has listened to and learned from the Father comes to Me—
[SUP]46 [/SUP] not that anyone has seen the Father except the One who is from God. He has seen the Father.
John 14:9-11 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Jesus said to him, “Have I been among you all this time without your knowing Me, Philip? The one who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Don’t you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The words I speak to you I do not speak on My own. The Father who lives in Me does His works.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me. Otherwise, believe because of the works themselves.
2 Corinthians 5:19 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] That is, in Christ,God was reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed the message of reconciliation to us.
1 Timothy 3:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Acts 5:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Then Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the proceeds from the field?
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Wasn’t it yours while you possessed it? And after it was sold, wasn’t it at your disposal? Why is it that you planned this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God!”
{NOTICE THAT PETER IS RECOGNIZING that THE HOLY SPIRIT IS ALSO GOD!}
John 4:24 (HCSB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
The flesh of Jesus is fully human, AND the Spirit in Jesus is Fully GOD!
IF you are Denying the DEITY of JESUS CHRIST, you are NOT worshipping GOD in spirit, NOR in TRUTH. JUST LIKE THESE WHO FAILED TO GLORIFY CHRIST AS GOD THE CREATOR.
Romans 1:20-22 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For His invisible attributes, that is, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen since the creation of the world, being understood through what He has made. As a result, people are without excuse.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For though they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God or show gratitude. Instead, their thinking became nonsense, and their senseless minds were darkened.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Claiming to be wise, they became fools.
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Be nice now. For the Jews to have been eye witnesses to the life of Jesus they sure lacked belief. They killed Jesus for claiming to be the son of God, the Messiah. Living according to what Jesus taught was a threat to their lifestyle, Slaves, money, power and selfishness.
Ya' think?
As do you in those same claims.
They had him killed because "he made himself equal with God"
and "claimed to be God."
You fall somewhat short of showing what I stated is in error.
The NT presents it differently.
Your problem isn't no Biblical testimony.
Your problem is no belief.
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